do not buy the ATI Xpert2000. I bought one, seeing as the computer shop
had advertisted it as an ATI Rage 2000. The Xpert 2000 card is severly
bandwith limited, due to its 64bit wide bus, instead of the proper 128bit
bus!
Go for the Geforce2!
--
brian
Having a 1.3GHZ with an MX is about as stupid as having a 750 and Voodoo1!
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>I'm in a quandry now. I have an amd athlon 750, with 128 Mb of pc133
>>ram. I have a good simple upgrade when 1.3G processors are dead cheap.
>>I can get 36 FPS in GPL at 640x480 with everything on, and the detail
>>slider 1/4 way up, with my old diamond monster (voodoo1) 3dfx card. I
>>can max out gp3 in 640x480, too, with my ati AIWpro.
>>I was going to get a 32Mb Prophet Geforce2 MX OEM at 86 ukp, but I've
>>just seen the ATI 32Mb Xpert2000 Pro (w/o TV) OEM at 45 ukp.
>>The ATI card looks like a good buy, and supports directx, d3d and
>>opengl.
>do not buy the ATI Xpert2000. I bought one, seeing as the computer shop
>had advertisted it as an ATI Rage 2000. The Xpert 2000 card is severly
>bandwith limited, due to its 64bit wide bus, instead of the proper 128bit
>bus!
>Go for the Geforce2!
>--
>brian
I didn;t know that! Sorry for the duff advise for Richard.
--
brian
>>ALSO it should be noted that the Geforce 2 MX has similiar bandwidth
>>problems!
>>Having a 1.3GHZ with an MX is about as stupid as having a 750 and Voodoo1!
>I didn;t know that! Sorry for the duff advise for Richard.
>--
>brian
The MX is probably the best bang for the buck, but I would recommend the
GF2-GTS/DDR with the system you are getting. The MX will be your bottleneck
at that speed. You can also get the Ultra version with 64megs of DDR
memory............bit of a hit on the pocketbook though. The prices on all
the GF2 cards should be coming down soon with the release of the GF3
(NV-20).
Ed
> > Having a 1.3GHZ with an MX is about as stupid as having a 750 and
Voodoo1!
> > >>x-no-archive: yes
> > >>I'm in a quandry now. I have an amd athlon 750, with 128 Mb of pc133
> > >>ram. I have a good simple upgrade when 1.3G processors are dead cheap.
> > >>I can get 36 FPS in GPL at 640x480 with everything on, and the detail
> > >>slider 1/4 way up, with my old diamond monster (voodoo1) 3dfx card. I
> > >>can max out gp3 in 640x480, too, with my ati AIWpro.
> > >>I was going to get a 32Mb Prophet Geforce2 MX OEM at 86 ukp, but I've
> > >>just seen the ATI 32Mb Xpert2000 Pro (w/o TV) OEM at 45 ukp.
> > >>The ATI card looks like a good buy, and supports directx, d3d and
> > >>opengl.
> > >do not buy the ATI Xpert2000. I bought one, seeing as the computer
shop
> > >had advertisted it as an ATI Rage 2000. The Xpert 2000 card is severly
> > >bandwith limited, due to its 64bit wide bus, instead of the proper
128bit
> > >bus!
> > >Go for the Geforce2!
> > >--
> > >brian
Uncle Goy's benchmark page has data on the GeForce2 MX compared to a
variety of cards on the Duron 700 and a 1.1GHz Athlon [2]. It's
interesting to compare the improvement in NASCAR Heat due to a
processor upgrade or a CPU upgrade. At high detail, where the video
card's memory bandwidth should matter the most:
D700/GF2 MX 44.1
D700/GF DDR 44.2
A1.1/GF2 MX 58.4
A1.1/GF2 Pro 59.2
For NASCAR Heat (and probably GPL and N4), a few hundred MHz of CPU
are more important than a couple GB/s of video memory bandwidth.
Note, however, that this is a 16-bit benchmark.
Anand and Tom's have both noted that the Detonator3 drivers have
provided a nice boost over Detonator2 [3,4].
The GeForce2 MX is not a duffer's choice, it is a compromise. If you
up another 50 ukp or so for a proper GeForce2. You may also want to
check out the Radeon or Kyro II.
_____
1. <http://anandtech.com/printarticle.html?i=1266>.
2. <http://www.theuspits.com/hardware/UG_benchmarking.html>.
3. <http://anandtech.com/printarticle.html?i=1297>.
4. <http://www4.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q3/0008141/index.html>.
>Ah...Insults!
>Well, I couldn't decide on a graphics card, and I knew I needed to upgrade
>my MB and CPU, so I did that first. Even on a 750 I only got 14 FPS in GPL
>with everything off. Stuffing the voodoo1 back in gave me a solid 36FPS with
>everything on in 6x4 which looks pretty cool, so I wouldn't say it was
>stupid to put it back in for the time being, whilst I decided on and saved
>for a new graphics card, would you? Finally I can play GPL as intended.
>All I need now is some useful advice. Is it worth getting a GeForce 2 MX to
>go with my system (see below), and how is it likely to improve my frame
>rate?
>Thanks.
>> ALSO it should be noted that the Geforce 2 MX has similiar bandwidth
>> problems!
>> Having a 1.3GHZ with an MX is about as stupid as having a 750 and Voodoo1!
>> >>x-no-archive: yes
>> >>I'm in a quandry now. I have an amd athlon 750, with 128 Mb of pc133
>> >>ram. I have a good simple upgrade when 1.3G processors are dead cheap.
>> >>I can get 36 FPS in GPL at 640x480 with everything on, and the detail
>> >>slider 1/4 way up, with my old diamond monster (voodoo1) 3dfx card. I
>> >>can max out gp3 in 640x480, too, with my ati AIWpro.
>> >>I was going to get a 32Mb Prophet Geforce2 MX OEM at 86 ukp, but I've
>> >>just seen the ATI 32Mb Xpert2000 Pro (w/o TV) OEM at 45 ukp.
>> >>The ATI card looks like a good buy, and supports directx, d3d and
>> >>opengl.
>> >do not buy the ATI Xpert2000. I bought one, seeing as the computer shop
>> >had advertisted it as an ATI Rage 2000. The Xpert 2000 card is severly
>> >bandwith limited, due to its 64bit wide bus, instead of the proper 128bit
>> >bus!
>> >Go for the Geforce2!
