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Ditto. Four Wheel Drift is extremely well done. Very informative with
just enough humor to keep things from getting too technical. My only
observation that is ever so slightly negative is.....where is the info on
the Ferrari? I don't see anything in either the gameplay manual or Four
Wheel Drift on it. Was the licensing wrapped up with Ferrari after they went
to print? Just curious. I LOVE this screaming red machine and would like to
read up on it alittle bit.
BTW, this is bar-none the best piece of software I've ever owned. :)
Wow. Many thanks to the boys and girls at Papyrus.
Berry Kaiser
> .....where is the info on the Ferrari?
At least it's better than the Sierra-hack-job they did on his "Winning"
manual (included with CART Racing)...They even printed his name as
*Steven*, which he hasn't used in 30-some-odd-years. =|
Cheers!
Marc
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> >In these days when a lot of games put their entire documentation into one
> of
> >those mini-booklets that fits inside the cover of the CD-ROM case (or have
> a
> >poorly organized manual like F1RS), it is GREAT to open the GPL box and
> find
> >some really nice manuals. The "Four Wheel Drift" book itself would probably
> >have sold well separately as a "strategy guide" publication! Thanks,
> >Papyrus.
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> >Doug Gordon
> >(remove "nospam" from e-mail address)
> Ditto. Four Wheel Drift is extremely well done. Very informative with
> just enough humor to keep things from getting too technical. My only
> observation that is ever so slightly negative is.....where is the info on
> the Ferrari? I don't see anything in either the gameplay manual or Four
> Wheel Drift on it. Was the licensing wrapped up with Ferrari after they went
> to print? Just curious. I LOVE this screaming red machine and would like to
> read up on it alittle bit.
I concur that the documentation is great. Steve Smith is even bluntly
honest about what hardware you need to actually race anything (other than a
clock) with GPL--which is more than most software manuals offer! Although,
I still demand that information on the outside of the box so people can see
it BEFORE they have already purchased (usually unreturnable) their software.
Marc.
>> .....where is the info on the Ferrari?
>Steve was forced to keep any direct references to the car out of the
>book, not so much because Sierra hadn't yet secured the license, but
>that Ferrari seems pretty ticklish about any historical info that has
>their namesake tied to it...It just made Sierra overly cautious, and
>they wanted to prevent spoiling the whole deal.
>At least it's better than the Sierra-hack-job they did on his "Winning"
>manual (included with CART Racing)...They even printed his name as
>*Steven*, which he hasn't used in 30-some-odd-years. =|
>Cheers!
>Marc
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>Extinct Track Archive - http://www.simproject.com/eta/
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- Eric
software.
>- Eric
>>I still demand that information on the outside of the box so people can
>see
>>it BEFORE they have already purchased (usually unreturnable) their
>software.
>>Er... it is.
>>- Eric
>>>I still demand that information on the outside of the box so people can
>>see
>>>it BEFORE they have already purchased (usually unreturnable) their
>>software.
Sierra has both a minimum and prefered (or recommended) specs on
the box, which, IMO, are pretty accurate.* You have the demo to judge
the game by. You have the wealth of experience here on RAS and at GPL
web sites (particularly Alison's hardware info). I don't see that the
performance of the sim is any great surprise.
It sounds like you want an "optimum" spec on the box (the hardware
to run with everything turned on), but that may require some fortune
telling (may still for non-3D GP2 :). Not to mention being bad PR.
Finally, on the question of returning the game if you really don't
want it -- Sierra has a rather generous return policy. Take advantage
of it if your local store won't let you return it.
* - On the accuracy of sim hardware recommendations... I just got
C:PR and find it has a roughly similar performance (frame rate) on my
machine as GPL. MS's minimum system was a P60, recommended was a P166
w/3D. Is that any closer to reality? :)
NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...
I didn't say anything about resolution and said that graphics could be
turned down--but those two items just happen to have almost no effect on
frame rates. A racing game involves racing, not just driving by yourself,
so my minimum includes racing. If they wanted to put a spec. on the box
that said: minimum for hot lapping or driving alone but not racing, that
would be fine by me.
The demo is absolutely no judge of frame rates--there are no AI in it!!!
The AI is the single-most important determinant of frame rates in GPL, so
sorry, that doesn't help anyone.
The optimum exists today. From what I can gather, it is a P2-300 with an
8MB Rendition card or a P2-450 with a pair of Vodoo2 cards.
Thanks for that info. -- I was not aware of their policy. I am glad to see
they are part of the 30-day back guarantee group of publishers.
CART:PR's requirements were ludicrous. But it makes no difference since you
cannot race with the AI in CART:PR anyway because they are so badly
designed/programmed. Let's hope Papyrus is not attempting to stoop to
Microsoft's level in the accuracy of the promotional material. CART:PR is
the biggest embarrassment in racing sims. in years.
Marc.
>NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...
OK, we disagree on my first point, the second is moot on AI-induced
CPU load, but what about the third? When Alison made her posts here
on RAS re:GPL hardware, it certainly got my attention. I'm planning
on upgrading my P133/V1000, so I wanted ideas on just what I needed
for GPL. I had hoped that a cheap fix (233MMX or K6-2/300) would do
it, but her posts indicated that I would probably want more. She
talks about her K6/200-225 running well *with 5 to 8 AI*. That set
off alarm bells in my head: A) the AI is a significant CPU load and,
B) the quick fix wouldn't satisfy me.
No, hardly dropping to that level, but my point was that there have
been far more egregious streches of "minimum requirments" than GPL.
Minimum requirements are part technology, part marketing, and part
wishful thinking. IMO, GPL's fall more in the first category.
NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...
I don't think so.
Aren't you old enough to remember the same about Gp2 ? And the same about
Nascar Racing 1 ? And the same about IndyCar Racing 2 ? And even the same
about F1RS last year ?
Hmm... probably not, I would assume.
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