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GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

pdot..

GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

by pdot.. » Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:24:40

I wanted to gather some of the questions from the Indycar thread
together in new post.  Here are some answers:


> Where would we try this out? When will the actual product be ready for
> delivery?

I had planned to attend the Hoosier Racers Trade Show in Indianapolis,
but they are sold out of vendor space.  Unless I can strike a deal to
set up in another vendor's booth I won't be able to go.  The only
option for trying the simulator at the moment is to visit my shop in
Kokomo, Indiana.  I am more than willing to travel to demonstrate at
other racing events, so let me know if something is happening in your
area.

The GS-1 shown on my web site is available now.  It looks like the CAD
pictures.  The real pictures are of the prototype.  In fact, I'm
assembling a GS-1 production version tonight for shipment to England,
so they are available.  You can get it with the legs/base, or without
for mounting to an existing race***pit.  Call me if you want more
details before buying at (US) 765-480-8907.


> Just a stupid idea from a non-techie: Wouldn't it be possible to to
> create a simpler version of the G1 that can be extended with additional
> pads or motors later?

Yes.  I'm working out a new design as we speak.  The cheapest version
would give feedback for lateral and/or vertical accelerations.  It
could be built in the form of a seat "cushion" that you place in your
existing seat that you use for sim-racing.  I could build and sell this
for less than $1000.  Probably about $900.  Would that interest anyone?

I could offer upgrades from that product to one that provide more axes
of motion.  One possible upgrade path would be to buy the seat cushion
first and simply add the seat back at a later date.


> I know you weren't asking me, but I'll chime in :).

I'm really looking for feedback from everyone at this point.  If you
have ideas or suggestions *please* let me know  :)


> For example, I am looking at spending about $1000 on a 3 monitor
> TripleHead2Go setup.  Now if your seat was $1000 I definitely would have
> to stop and think if the screens or your seat would add more realism to
> my sim driving.

I may be biased, but I can truthfully say that after sim-driving with
the GS-1 I can simply never be able to go back to a static chair and
enjoy myself.  It adds too much to the experience to do without.  I
understand your issue with spending the $3000 for the complete GS-1.
Assuming the $1000 product I described above is available, and I can
only spend $1000, I would go with the seat and a Fresnel Lens setup.

In some ways I prefer a Fresnel over the TH2Go setup.  The Fresnel
gives a definite depth perception that you don't get from the TH2Go.
You can get the Fresnel for, what, $30 from 3DLens?  It's really good
and makes driving a lot better, even without a G-seat!

The key to the improvement in the display with either the Fresnel or
the TH2Go is the increase in horizontal field of view.  The TH2Go is
awesome in that department.  The setup shown in the pictures on my web
site completely fills my horizontal FOV through my eyeglasses.  The
resulting view on the monitor is very close to real life, so you can
see a lot more track detail and judge apexes a lot better.  Another
thing that is awesome about the wide FOV is being able to see the turn
exits and next straight while entering the turn.  That's impossible
with just a 19 or 21" monitor.


> P.S.  I just looked on your page and saw your setup of the seat and 3
> monitors.  Man, some people have it all :)

I feel really lucky whenever I drive that thing.  At this point I can
jump in the simulator and just tell me wife that I'm "working"  :)

Pat Dotson
UltraForce Simulators
Kokomo, Indiana
765-480-8907

Ray

GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

by Ray » Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:09:11


> Yes.  I'm working out a new design as we speak.  The cheapest version
> would give feedback for lateral and/or vertical accelerations.  It
> could be built in the form of a seat "cushion" that you place in your
> existing seat that you use for sim-racing.  I could build and sell this
> for less than $1000.  Probably about $900.  Would that interest anyone?

> I could offer upgrades from that product to one that provide more axes
> of motion.  One possible upgrade path would be to buy the seat cushion
> first and simply add the seat back at a later date.

I like the idea of buying it in stages.  Hello Xmas presents and
Father's day presents... :)

$3000 spread out over 3 years makes it seem cheaper to the spouse...
:)

Uwe Sch??rkam

GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

by Uwe Sch??rkam » Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:18:25


> I like the idea of buying it in stages.  Hello Xmas presents and
> Father's day presents... :)

Same here. If I could give the el-cheapo version a try before making a
purchase I think you could count me in as a potential customer of the
"poorer" sorts ;-)

uwe

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Albert Ros

GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

by Albert Ros » Sat, 20 Jan 2007 02:16:37



>>I like the idea of buying it in stages.  Hello Xmas presents and
>>Father's day presents... :)

> Same here. If I could give the el-cheapo version a try before making a
> purchase I think you could count me in as a potential customer of the
> "poorer" sorts ;-)

> uwe

Me too!
slapsnp..

GS-1 Availability and Other Issues

by slapsnp.. » Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:11:54

Pat,  I too would be interested in a system I could uhh "grow into"
over time... >$1000 sounds like a good price point to start... If it
could work in conjunction with the ivibe cushion, even better :)

Also, obviously, it would be nice to know before buying such an
expensive item that there is significant support for it in games.. like
more than just rfactor and FSX (not that those 2 aren't very nice to
have...)


> I wanted to gather some of the questions from the Indycar thread
> together in new post.  Here are some answers:


> > Where would we try this out? When will the actual product be ready for
> > delivery?I had planned to attend the Hoosier Racers Trade Show in Indianapolis,
> but they are sold out of vendor space.  Unless I can strike a deal to
> set up in another vendor's booth I won't be able to go.  The only
> option for trying the simulator at the moment is to visit my shop in
> Kokomo, Indiana.  I am more than willing to travel to demonstrate at
> other racing events, so let me know if something is happening in your
> area.

> The GS-1 shown on my web site is available now.  It looks like the CAD
> pictures.  The real pictures are of the prototype.  In fact, I'm
> assembling a GS-1 production version tonight for shipment to England,
> so they are available.  You can get it with the legs/base, or without
> for mounting to an existing race***pit.  Call me if you want more
> details before buying at (US) 765-480-8907.


> > Just a stupid idea from a non-techie: Wouldn't it be possible to to
> > create a simpler version of the G1 that can be extended with additional
> > pads or motors later?Yes.  I'm working out a new design as we speak.  The cheapest version
> would give feedback for lateral and/or vertical accelerations.  It
> could be built in the form of a seat "cushion" that you place in your
> existing seat that you use for sim-racing.  I could build and sell this
> for less than $1000.  Probably about $900.  Would that interest anyone?

> I could offer upgrades from that product to one that provide more axes
> of motion.  One possible upgrade path would be to buy the seat cushion
> first and simply add the seat back at a later date.


> > I know you weren't asking me, but I'll chime in :).I'm really looking for feedback from everyone at this point.  If you
> have ideas or suggestions *please* let me know  :)


> > For example, I am looking at spending about $1000 on a 3 monitor
> > TripleHead2Go setup.  Now if your seat was $1000 I definitely would have
> > to stop and think if the screens or your seat would add more realism to
> > my sim driving.I may be biased, but I can truthfully say that after sim-driving with
> the GS-1 I can simply never be able to go back to a static chair and
> enjoy myself.  It adds too much to the experience to do without.  I
> understand your issue with spending the $3000 for the complete GS-1.
> Assuming the $1000 product I described above is available, and I can
> only spend $1000, I would go with the seat and a Fresnel Lens setup.

> In some ways I prefer a Fresnel over the TH2Go setup.  The Fresnel
> gives a definite depth perception that you don't get from the TH2Go.
> You can get the Fresnel for, what, $30 from 3DLens?  It's really good
> and makes driving a lot better, even without a G-seat!

> The key to the improvement in the display with either the Fresnel or
> the TH2Go is the increase in horizontal field of view.  The TH2Go is
> awesome in that department.  The setup shown in the pictures on my web
> site completely fills my horizontal FOV through my eyeglasses.  The
> resulting view on the monitor is very close to real life, so you can
> see a lot more track detail and judge apexes a lot better.  Another
> thing that is awesome about the wide FOV is being able to see the turn
> exits and next straight while entering the turn.  That's impossible
> with just a 19 or 21" monitor.


> > P.S.  I just looked on your page and saw your setup of the seat and 3
> > monitors.  Man, some people have it all :)I feel really lucky whenever I drive that thing.  At this point I can
> jump in the simulator and just tell me wife that I'm "working"  :)

> Pat DotsonUltraForceSimulators
> Kokomo, Indiana
> 765-480-8907


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