Live For Speed will be worth buying when...

...the controller config issues are sorted out. I can rip out all of my kit and just run with a MOMO, but that's naff. Zero immersion. Having to actually remove unused controllers is also a major bind. Windows allows for multiple controllers. How hard can it be for developers to allow the use of them? I use my TM F1 Pro pedals connected to gameport for gas/brake (split axis), my T2 pedal connected to Rockfire for clutch, GPL shifter and MOMO. No problems in N2K2 and GPL. Going "back" to the single controller, with painfully bad pedals and being stuck with a semi auto sequential box is damned infuriating... Oh, and I'm unhappy with framerates once AI are come into play, but I haven't done much digging on this one. If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I think the game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble on something as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... C'mon - gimme a manual clutch and the ability to cock up gearshifts... Mark Reading, UK

Mark, Please remember that what you are playing is a very early beta. Its just not realistic to expect minor things like multiple controllers to be sorted at this point of development. Consider yourself lucky that there are already some nice menus and that you don't have to manually edit text files to choose cars or tracks! Online play and pretty good reliability are an added bonus for this level of development. Regards, Tim "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju3nj$agg$[email hidden]... > ...the controller config issues are sorted out. > > I can rip out all of my kit and just run with a MOMO, but that's naff.Zero > immersion. Having to actually remove unused controllers is also a major > bind. > > Windows allows for multiple controllers. How hard can it be fordevelopers > to allow the use of them? > > I use my TM F1 Pro pedals connected to gameport for gas/brake (splitaxis),

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> my T2 pedal connected to Rockfire for clutch, GPL shifter and MOMO. No > problems in N2K2 and GPL. Going "back" to the single controller, with > painfully bad pedals and being stuck with a semi auto sequential box is > damned infuriating... > > Oh, and I'm unhappy with framerates once AI are come into play, but I > haven't done much digging on this one. > > If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I think

the > game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble onsomething

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> as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... > > C'mon - gimme a manual clutch and the ability to cock up gearshifts... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

You sound like a complete to$$er to me..... The 3 lads responsible have a website with a list of issues they will be dealing with almost instantly,seeing as this is a beta demo i think the game is excellent and we can put faith in them ,because if they can do this much and then swiftly offer to provide patches i am very satisfied. You just had a bad day and decided to moan/whinge about something thats so good instead of something else that mighy warrant it. Go play V8 Challenge and purr over it...arse Andy

Considering its a demo that in the creators words is 6-12 months away from release, its excellent. Quit your whining. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Mark Davison <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju3nj$agg$[email hidden]... > ...the controller config issues are sorted out. > > I can rip out all of my kit and just run with a MOMO, but that's naff. Zero > immersion. Having to actually remove unused controllers is also a major > bind. > > Windows allows for multiple controllers. How hard can it be for developers > to allow the use of them? > > I use my TM F1 Pro pedals connected to gameport for gas/brake (split axis), > my T2 pedal connected to Rockfire for clutch, GPL shifter and MOMO. No > problems in N2K2 and GPL. Going "back" to the single controller, with > painfully bad pedals and being stuck with a semi auto sequential box is > damned infuriating... > > Oh, and I'm unhappy with framerates once AI are come into play, but I > haven't done much digging on this one. > > If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I think the > game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble on something > as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... > > C'mon - gimme a manual clutch and the ability to cock up gearshifts... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

"Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju44h$qh2$[email hidden]... > You sound like a complete to$$er to me..... > > The 3 lads responsible have a website with a list of issues they will be > dealing with almost instantly,seeing as this is a beta demo i think thegame > is excellent and we can put faith in them ,because if they can do thismuch > and then swiftly offer to provide patches i am very satisfied. > > You just had a bad day and decided to moan/whinge about something thats so > good instead of something else that mighy warrant it. > > Go play V8 Challenge and purr over it...arse Wow. I repeat: > > If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I thinkthe > > game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble onsomething > > as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... I am *NOT* trying to ruffle feathers or whine, although I admit the title sounded bad and there's nothing I can do to take it back. I'll say it one more time for the cheap seats "*PHENOMENAL* POTENTIAL". That doesn't sound like a whine to me. Have a nice day, Mark Reading, UK

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rWw89.3105$[email hidden]... > Considering its a demo that in the creators words is 6-12 months away fromrelease, its excellent. > Quit your whining. Just reread my post and it came across badly. The controller issue is something that developers other than Papy seem to have real issues with. It's a pet peeve of mine given the rather eccentric nature of my rig - which is probably very tame compared to more hardcore RASers out there. I'll appologise openly if I piised anyone off for that was not my intention. At least you didn't call me an arse ;) But I'll repeat this bit as this is where I actually comment on the game: > > If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I thinkthe > > game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble onsomething > > as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... > > > > C'mon - gimme a manual clutch and the ability to cock up gearshifts... "*phenomenal* potential." OK? different words that say "Considering its a demo that in the creators words is 6-12 months away from release, its excellent" We actually agree, but I just wanted to give constructive feedback (so it's not my strongpoint). Hell, if the developers want to use my system as a multi-controller nightmare test rig they can email me. I don't hide my email addy. Mark Reading, UK

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju7fj$99c$[email hidden]... > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rWw89.3105$[email hidden]... > > Considering its a demo that in the creators words is 6-12 months awayfrom > release, its excellent. > > Quit your whining. Not to labour the point, but... ;) LFS, in it's current state, save the abilty to use my controllers, is worth money now. With the promise of addons and enhancements, I'd pony up and pay my dues as and when a mod came along that took my fancy. Gimme the core game and multi controller mod for manual clutch, direct gear selection, etc and I will give you moolah. I just paid 15 notes to convert some tracks to N2K2 (which'll no doubt be floating around the 'net right now) because I thought the work deserved to be rewarded... Right. I *hope* I've got my POV across now... Mark Reading, UK

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju7fj$99c$[email hidden]... > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rWw89.3105$[email hidden]... > > Considering its a demo that in the creators words is 6-12 months awayfrom > release, its excellent. > > Quit your whining. > > Just reread my post and it came across badly. The controller issue is > something that developers other than Papy seem to have real issues with. Two people have got controllers right in all sim racing history. Ash Mc C, and Papy. Doug

I'll keep my mouth shut until they make it work with ECCI wheels. "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aju3nj$agg$[email hidden]... > ...the controller config issues are sorted out. > > I can rip out all of my kit and just run with a MOMO, but that's naff.Zero > immersion. Having to actually remove unused controllers is also a major > bind. > > Windows allows for multiple controllers. How hard can it be fordevelopers > to allow the use of them? > > I use my TM F1 Pro pedals connected to gameport for gas/brake (splitaxis),

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> my T2 pedal connected to Rockfire for clutch, GPL shifter and MOMO. No > problems in N2K2 and GPL. Going "back" to the single controller, with > painfully bad pedals and being stuck with a semi auto sequential box is > damned infuriating... > > Oh, and I'm unhappy with framerates once AI are come into play, but I > haven't done much digging on this one. > > If it sounds like I'm being an ungrateful brat it's only because I think

the > game has *phenomenal* potential, and I'd hate for it to stumble onsomething

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> as apparently simple as controller config - it's important to me... > > C'mon - gimme a manual clutch and the ability to cock up gearshifts... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

Mark Davison wrote: > > ...the controller config issues are sorted out. Mark -- I agree. Good papy-like controller configuration should be at the core. surely it's easier to get this aspect working first, not at some point near the middle or end of development? I don't know why you're getting flamed. Too many people playing racing games with a gamepad in this ng i would wager. Cheers Gerry

Andrew wrote: > > You sound like a complete to$$er to me..... Andrew, Andrew, Andrew! I'm sure we'd all rather be a 'to$$er' than a cu*t! three guess what I think you are...

Gezza....great minds ;) Andy

"Gerry Aitken"> > I don't know why you're getting flamed. Too many people playing racing > games with a gamepad in this ng i would wager. > > Cheers > > Gerry Dang Thumb drivers.................. :) Dang Thumb Driving FTenners.............. :) Double Dang Thumb Drivin' Kite Flying, watchin' the wheel physics drivers................... LOL dave henrie

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> > "Gerry Aitken"> > > I don't know why you're getting flamed. Too many people playing racing > > games with a gamepad in this ng i would wager. > > > > Cheers > > > > Gerry > Dang Thumb drivers.................. :) > Dang Thumb Driving FTenners.............. :) > Double Dang Thumb Drivin' Kite Flying, watchin' the wheel physics > drivers................... LOL > dave henrie

yeah, there're the ones i'm taking about.

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> > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > "Gerry Aitken"> > > > I don't know why you're getting flamed. Too many people playing racing > > > games with a gamepad in this ng i would wager. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Gerry > > Dang Thumb drivers.................. :) > > Dang Thumb Driving FTenners.............. :) > > Double Dang Thumb Drivin' Kite Flying, watchin' the wheel physics > > drivers................... LOL > > dave henrie >

yeah, thEY're the ones i'm taking about.