N2002: Severe framerate drop with new GF4 Ti4200 (eVGA)!! Any ideas why?

Hi, Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in OpenGL. I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I reran the graphics detection utility. Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. Just N2002 so far. 1.33 Athlon 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) Direct X 8.1 29.42 Detonator Drivers I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's 1.0.0.4 or something like that. Thanks, -pw

Possibly a driver conflict from changing vid cards. Make sure you have patched n2k2 then run it in opengl. I'm guessing you have not turned off the video sync feature(vsync) and so your not getting full speed. Check your video properties and defeat or uncheck or whatever those drivers need to shut off vsync. IF that fails...uninstall your drivers completely clean out any files that start with nv and then re-install your drivers. Good luck... Your cpu is probably ok for more fps than you are reporting, fps is a combination of many things, even bios settings can improve or kill fps. good luck dave henrie "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL. > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > reran the graphics detection utility. > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > Just N2002 so far. > > 1.33 Athlon > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > Direct X 8.1 > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > Thanks, > > -pw >

http://www.omegacorner.com/ Go to the Nvidia drivers page and download the newest drivers(1.1.82) and follow the installation instructions. Everything will be tweaked for you. Just pick performance or quality and your all set. You should be well over 100 with your setup. Pete "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL. > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > reran the graphics detection utility. > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > Just N2002 so far. > > 1.33 Athlon > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > Direct X 8.1 > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > Thanks, > > -pw >

Ill 2nd that Pete.. these Nividia driver rock the house here.. -- Donald Wilshe 888 588-9207 Martel Brothers Performance, Worlds Largest On-Line Auto Parts Mfg Catalog Library www.martelbros.com Other Interest: www.ivga.com www.games-advertising.com www.whra.com "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:M8s69.1739$P%[email hidden]... > http://www.omegacorner.com/ > > Go to the Nvidia drivers page and download the newest drivers(1.1.82) > and > follow the installation instructions. Everything will be tweaked for you. > Just > pick performance or quality and your all set. You should be well over 100 > with your setup. > > Pete > > "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > > OpenGL. > > > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > > reran the graphics detection utility. > > > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > > Just N2002 so far. > > > > 1.33 Athlon > > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > > Direct X 8.1 > > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -pw > > > > >

When your drivers were reinstalled, all of your settings got set back to default. You need to make sure that VSync is off. Check the mipmap settings. Check ALL the settings. If that's not it, you might be suffering from what I call "nVidia Constipation". This is when drivers are installed and uninstalled and updated and etc... so many times, that everything gets fouled. up. In this case, you need to clean it all out, and start with a new, fresh driver install. The GeForce FAQ (address not installed in brain at this time), walks you through how to do this, and if you have Windows 98, there are utilities that will do it. There are no automated utilities for 2K/XP that I know of. BTW... You probably won't be able to find the D3D Verticle Sync option (if you are using D3D - it's there by default for OpenGL). If this is the case, download nvHardPage from Guru3d.com, run it, and mash ONLY the "Enable Coolbits" button. Then quit the utility, go back to the D3D advanced settings, and you'll see the option there. It's hidden by default due to Ms's funky, useless MHQL requirements. -Larry "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL. > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > reran the graphics detection utility. > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > Just N2002 so far. > > 1.33 Athlon > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > Direct X 8.1 > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > Thanks, > > -pw >

Yeah, what Dave said :) -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Mk69.124236$[email hidden]... > Possibly a driver conflict from changing vid cards. Make sure you have > patched n2k2 then run it in opengl. I'm guessing you have not turned off > the video sync feature(vsync) and so your not getting full speed. Check > your video properties and defeat or uncheck or whatever those drivers need > to shut off vsync. > IF that fails...uninstall your drivers completely clean out any filesthat

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> start with nv and then re-install your drivers. Good luck... > Your cpu is probably ok for more fps than you are reporting, fps is a > combination of many things, even bios settings can improve or kill fps. > good luck > dave henrie > "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > > OpenGL. > > > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > > reran the graphics detection utility. > > > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > > Just N2002 so far. > > > > 1.33 Athlon > > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > > Direct X 8.1 > > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -pw > > > >

Hey pw, Make sure in additional properties ,opengl ,etc you have vertical sync turned off. Major hit to your framerate and on by default. I am running a Ti4600 XP2000 1GB DDR Ram . Gives me over 100 fps at 1200x1600x32 with opengl and any of the more recent NVidia drivers. Steve pw <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]>...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL. > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > reran the graphics detection utility. > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > Just N2002 so far. > > 1.33 Athlon > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > Direct X 8.1 > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > Thanks, > > -pw

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> Possibly a driver conflict from changing vid cards. Make sure you have >patched n2k2 then run it in opengl. I'm guessing you have not turned off >the video sync feature(vsync) and so your not getting full speed. Check >your video properties and defeat or uncheck or whatever those drivers need >to shut off vsync. > IF that fails...uninstall your drivers completely clean out any files that >start with nv and then re-install your drivers. Good luck... >Your cpu is probably ok for more fps than you are reporting, fps is a >combination of many things, even bios settings can improve or kill fps. >good luck >dave henrie

Hi Dave, There was file left over from my 1410 days (nvmini2.vxd). I deleted it and installed the latest Omega drivers. My frame rates went up to the mid 30s while idling at Daytona and increased to the 50s during racing. I recall getting much higher frame rates with the GF2 card, but I was too lazy to write down the numbers before installing the new GF4 card. Oh well. Sim is smooth though, even at the new "low" rates. V-Synch is off (and was) in both OpenGL and D3D. I have not, however, adjusted my BIOS per Omega. Thanks! -paul w

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>"pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... >> Hi, >> >> Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 >> Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in >> the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing >> using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in >> OpenGL. >> >> I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I >> reran the graphics detection utility. >> >> Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. >> Just N2002 so far. >> >> 1.33 Athlon >> 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM >> Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) >> Direct X 8.1 >> 29.42 Detonator Drivers >> I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's >> 1.0.0.4 or something like that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -pw >> >

>http://www.omegacorner.com/ > > Go to the Nvidia drivers page and download the newest drivers(1.1.82) >and >follow the installation instructions. Everything will be tweaked for you. Just did so! >Just >pick performance or quality and your all set. I picked quality. > You should be well over 100 >with your setup. > Any tips? I think I am still not getting the frame rates with the new card that I got with my GF2. I need to find the latest patch and install that also. I will kick the download off before I go to bed (only have a 24K connection <s>). Thanks, -paul w

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> Pete > >"pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... >> Hi, >> >> Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 >> Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in >> the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing >> using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in >> OpenGL. >> >> I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I >> reran the graphics detection utility. >> >> Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. >> Just N2002 so far. >> >> 1.33 Athlon >> 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM >> Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) >> Direct X 8.1 >> 29.42 Detonator Drivers >> I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's >> 1.0.0.4 or something like that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -pw >> >

>Hey pw, > Make sure in additional properties ,opengl ,etc you have vertical >sync turned off. Major hit to your framerate and on by default. I am >running a Ti4600 XP2000 1GB DDR Ram . Gives me over 100 fps at >1200x1600x32 with opengl >and any of the more recent NVidia drivers. Steve Well Steve, I certainly have some tweaking to do! Am not even getting 1/2 that in Win98SE with the new Omega drivers (I have v-synch set to "Always Off" in both OGL and D3D). Maybe I should try installing the game under Win2K Pro. Thanks! -pw

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> >pw <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]>... >> Hi, >> >> Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 >> Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in >> the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing >> using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in >> OpenGL. >> >> I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I >> reran the graphics detection utility. >> >> Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. >> Just N2002 so far. >> >> 1.33 Athlon >> 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM >> Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) >> Direct X 8.1 >> 29.42 Detonator Drivers >> I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's >> 1.0.0.4 or something like that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -pw

My guess would be that the NR 2002 graphics detection utility saw the increased capabilities of your new card and turned up some things in the rend_ogl.ini file without telling you. One thing that is supposedly still a big frame rate hit on GeForce cards is anisotropic filtering. The graphics detection utility almost certainly turned that up to the max level available (8?). Try either turning the level down in rend_ogl.ini or turning it off in the graphics menu and see if anything improves. "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL. > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > reran the graphics detection utility. > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > Just N2002 so far. > > 1.33 Athlon > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > Direct X 8.1 > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > Thanks, > > -pw >

Been so long since I have tweaked N2002 I forgot the deal about turning down or off the anisotropic filtering level in the rend_ogl.ini. I have that value at zero. I edited the anisotropic filtering level in the rend_ogl.ini file to 5 and it cut my frame rate in half. Also should have mentioned I am running Win XP pro Steve "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ajgl3l$1a9ios$[email hidden]>...

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> My guess would be that the NR 2002 graphics detection utility saw the > increased capabilities of your new card and turned up some things in the > rend_ogl.ini file without telling you. One thing that is supposedly > still a big frame rate hit on GeForce cards is anisotropic filtering. > The graphics detection utility almost certainly turned that up to the > max level available (8?). Try either turning the level down in > rend_ogl.ini or turning it off in the graphics menu and see if anything > improves. > > > "pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... > > Hi, > > > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > > OpenGL. > > > > I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I > > reran the graphics detection utility. > > > > Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. > > Just N2002 so far. > > > > 1.33 Athlon > > 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM > > Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) > > Direct X 8.1 > > 29.42 Detonator Drivers > > I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's > > 1.0.0.4 or something like that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -pw > >

pw <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]>...

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> Hi, > > Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 > Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in > the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing > using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in > OpenGL.

Have you gone from PCI to AGP (can't remember if GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro came in PCI)? I went from a GF2MX PCI to a Ti4200 and had issues which turned out to be AGP related. If you run RivaTuner there are some diagnostics there. It'll tell you what AGP speed you're running at and whether you've got sideband addressing enabled (it's on by default with my card IIRC). When I first installed the GF4 RivaTuner said I was running PCI speed even though my mobo BOIS said AGP4x. Installed the AGP drivers for my OS (Win98SE) which came on a CD supplied with the mobo then re-installed my Detonators and things were much better. Hope you get up to speed soon... Mark Reading, UK

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>My guess would be that the NR 2002 graphics detection utility saw the >increased capabilities of your new card and turned up some things in the >rend_ogl.ini file without telling you. One thing that is supposedly >still a big frame rate hit on GeForce cards is anisotropic filtering. >The graphics detection utility almost certainly turned that up to the >max level available (8?). Try either turning the level down in >rend_ogl.ini or turning it off in the graphics menu and see if anything >improves. >

YUP! It was reset at 8, just like you said! I haven't had time yet to try everyone's suggestions, but I will let everyone know how things turned out, unfortunately, the end of next week <s>. Guiding has picked up big-time all of a sudden here in my part of SW Montana. No free time right now. -pw

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> >"pw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]... >> Hi, >> >> Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 >> Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in >> the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing >> using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in >> OpenGL. >> >> I see no where to reselect what card I want the game to use, but I >> reran the graphics detection utility. >> >> Any ideas? Other games are doing better with the new card. I think. >> Just N2002 so far. >> >> 1.33 Athlon >> 512MB PC2100 DDR RAM >> Win98SE (for N2002, but dual-boot w/ Win2000 Pro) >> Direct X 8.1 >> 29.42 Detonator Drivers >> I forget what the version of the game I am running, I think it's >> 1.0.0.4 or something like that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -pw >>

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>pw <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ajcktq$ojo$[email hidden]>... >> Hi, >> >> Just booted up Nascar 2002 for the 1st time with my new Geforce 4 >> Ti4200 (128MB) card and was **idling** at Daytona with frame rates in >> the 20s! If I remember correctly, I used to get 60+ FPS when racing >> using my Hercules GeForce 2 64MB GTS Pro! This is at 1024x768x16 in >> OpenGL. > >Have you gone from PCI to AGP (can't remember if GeForce 2 64MB GTS >Pro came in PCI)?

AGP --> AGP.

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> I went from a GF2MX PCI to a Ti4200 and had issues >which turned out to be AGP related. If you run RivaTuner there are >some diagnostics there. It'll tell you what AGP speed you're running >at and whether you've got sideband addressing enabled (it's on by >default with my card IIRC). When I first installed the GF4 RivaTuner >said I was running PCI speed even though my mobo BOIS said AGP4x. >Installed the AGP drivers for my OS (Win98SE) which came on a CD >supplied with the mobo then re-installed my Detonators and things were >much better. >

Do you have a link to RivaTuner? >Hope you get up to speed soon... > Me too. Going to reduce that filtering to zero and see what that does. Thanks!! -pw >Mark >Reading, UK