Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point.
Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and
something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own
opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great
too.
**What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun**
1. No points tabulation from race to race.
[That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If that
were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run in
leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
this already.]
2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least once
a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
[I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
when I wanted to get that fix.]
3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have less
experience on.
[This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how some of
the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down my
weaknesses.]
**What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun**
1. Being forced to race with novice drivers.
[Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing.
Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an
experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning or
beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
**What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and avoid
the not fun)?**
1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
time -:).....).
2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the other a
"novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now).
3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event.
[On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry
that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require
his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On
Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone who
is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that coming
weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full field of
RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person takes
over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time
consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times.
4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit
r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to run
in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
"pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
"novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
"novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view and
observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race.
No?
There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I
see it...others may exist too):
**Advantages**
1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race
(and fun).
2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run
in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the
pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or
more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if they
are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are not
under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, IMHO.
You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that would
be good for sim racing.
4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each other......you've
just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do
it.
5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on
that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought
it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro race!
Way cool....as a matter of fact.
7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new
people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering
their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro
race invite by additionally giving their email address.
**Disadvantages**
1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on
Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO).
In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
(handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing
the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a
shame.
So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of?
Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or
against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on.
TP
Should RASCAR races become invitation-only?
Tom Pabst proposed separate invite lists for experienced and novice RASCAR drivers. Most, including John Simmons and Larry, voted to leave the open format alone, saying it worked and helped newcomers, while David G Fisher noted Eldred was already planning an invite list. Some suggested RASCAR discussion move off the newsgroup.
Automated summary.
Who exactly is going to make this invite list and determine people's
abilities?
As you said yourself Tom the abilities range from track to track so those
that are great on one track may not even be able to make a lap on another.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
that
> were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't runin
> leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
> certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
> this already.]
>
> 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at leastonce
> a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> when I wanted to get that fix.]
>
> 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I haveless
> experience on.
> [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how someof
> the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin downmy
or
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
>
> **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (andavoid
> the not fun)?**
>
> 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> time -:).....).
>
> 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the othera
who
> is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
> to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race thatcoming
> weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
> approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full fieldof
> RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next persontakes
run
> in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
> "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
> "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to viewand
they
> are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they arenot
> under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,IMHO.
> You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and thatwould
> be good for sim racing.
> 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race eachother......you've
race!
Quoted text (11 lines)
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great > too. > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. IfQuoted text (8 lines)
> weaknesses.] > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winningQuoted text (7 lines)
> "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someoneQuoted text (7 lines)
> over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants toQuoted text (15 lines)
> observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race. > No? > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I > see it...others may exist too): > > **Advantages** > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > (and fun). > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race ifQuoted text (8 lines)
> just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do > it. > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the proQuoted text (33 lines)
> Way cool....as a matter of fact. > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > **Disadvantages** > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO). > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a > shame. > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of? > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > Leave as is, is my vote. Don't fix what ain't broke. This is Rascar's
format, it seems to be working well, take it or leave it, simple as that.
But since who knows if/when I'll ever be able to do another, who cares what
I think <g>
John
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
that
> were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't runin
> leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
> certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
> this already.]
>
> 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at leastonce
> a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> when I wanted to get that fix.]
>
> 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I haveless
> experience on.
> [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how someof
> the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin downmy
or
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
>
> **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (andavoid
> the not fun)?**
>
> 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> time -:).....).
>
> 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the othera
who
> is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
> to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race thatcoming
> weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
> approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full fieldof
> RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next persontakes
run
> in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
> "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
> "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to viewand
they
> are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they arenot
> under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,IMHO.
> You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and thatwould
> be good for sim racing.
> 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race eachother......you've
race!
Quoted text (11 lines)
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great > too. > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. IfQuoted text (8 lines)
> weaknesses.] > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winningQuoted text (7 lines)
> "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someoneQuoted text (7 lines)
> over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants toQuoted text (15 lines)
> observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race. > No? > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I > see it...others may exist too): > > **Advantages** > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > (and fun). > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race ifQuoted text (8 lines)
> just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do > it. > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the proQuoted text (33 lines)
> Way cool....as a matter of fact. > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > **Disadvantages** > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO). > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a > shame. > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of? > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > >
KB
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
that
> were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't runin
> leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
> certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
> this already.]
>
> 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at leastonce
> a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> when I wanted to get that fix.]
>
> 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I haveless
> experience on.
> [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how someof
> the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin downmy
or
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
>
> **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (andavoid
> the not fun)?**
>
> 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> time -:).....).
>
> 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the othera
who
> is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
> to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race thatcoming
> weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
> approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full fieldof
> RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next persontakes
run
> in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
> "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
> "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to viewand
they
> are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they arenot
> under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,IMHO.
> You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and thatwould
> be good for sim racing.
> 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race eachother......you've
race!
Quoted text (11 lines)
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great > too. > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. IfQuoted text (8 lines)
> weaknesses.] > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winningQuoted text (7 lines)
> "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someoneQuoted text (7 lines)
> over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants toQuoted text (15 lines)
> observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race. > No? > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I > see it...others may exist too): > > **Advantages** > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > (and fun). > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race ifQuoted text (8 lines)
> just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do > it. > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the proQuoted text (33 lines)
> Way cool....as a matter of fact. > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > **Disadvantages** > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO). > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a > shame. > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of? > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > >>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun"
It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to
change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be
modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want. You
have to accept some compromise in life, you know...
I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the
fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you start writing
like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems.
> **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun**
>
> 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers.
> [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing.
> Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an
> experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winningor
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
Sorry but that's a fact of life.
> So, what do you guys think?
I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing all these
things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all.
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Well, I think the invite-only method that you laid out would pretty much
go against what we're trying to do, or at least *my* perception of what
we're trying to do.
I think it would cause a lot of hard feelings and general hate and
discontent if people thought they were considered less than capable of
running with the "pros". Besides, how are they expected to get better
at this if they don't have better drivers to race against.
I personally wish I were as fast as Mike Grandy, but I just don't see
how he pushes the <fast> setup like he does. I simply try to drive as
fast and as hard as I think I can and try not to wreck. That's really
all I ask of anyone that's sharing the same chunk of asphalt with me.
I think maybe we should think about holding a qualifying race for new
guys at each track type to see how they do against current Rascarians
before we add them to the invite list. That way, we could determine for
ourselfs if we want them racing with us.
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Schooner....
Don't over think this. Its not that hard.
At first, the "pro invite" list will have to be somewhat arbitrary....but
not difficult to get say 90% right. I could do that in five minutes. We
also could probably very easily trust the good judgment of these experienced
drivers to stay out of a "pro" race if held at a track where they had little
or no experience.
Example: If the RASCAR race was at Homestead next week....and I was on the
"pro" invite list for the week. I wouldn't run in the pro race, I'd choose
the novice/open race, because I don't have much experience racing at that
track.
I think most of the experienced drivers here (if not all) could be left to
their own decision about that sort of thing, don't you?
TP
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:7CB59.5668$[email hidden]...
own
> > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that'sgreat
be
> > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCARdoes
some
racing.]
other
"invited"
> > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
> coming
> > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As theweekend
> > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a fullfield
visit
> > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
> >
> > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
> run
> > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can makethe
> > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run inthe
> > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view
> and
> > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
> > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the prorace.
> > No?
> >
> > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (asI
teach....the
do
> > it.
> > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remainon
> > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
> > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
> > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would havethought
> > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro
> race!
> > Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that asnew
> > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simplyregistering
> > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want apro
> > race invite by additionally giving their email address.
> >
> > **Disadvantages**
> >
> > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR raceon
> > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give(IMHO).
> > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
> > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner,writing
> > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
> > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would bea
> > shame.
> >
> > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can thinkof?
Quoted text (11 lines)
> Who exactly is going to make this invite list and determine people's > abilities? > As you said yourself Tom the abilities range from track to track so those > that are great on one track may not even be able to make a lap on another. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is myQuoted text (10 lines)
> > too. > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If > that > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run > in > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance toQuoted text (14 lines)
> > this already.] > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > once > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have > less > > experience on. > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, howQuoted text (13 lines)
> of > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down > my > > weaknesses.] > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > avoid > > the not fun)?** > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > time -:).....). > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....theQuoted text (10 lines)
> a > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone > who > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will beQuoted text (9 lines)
> of > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > takes > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all whoQuoted text (8 lines)
> > see it...others may exist too): > > > > **Advantages** > > > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > > (and fun). > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood toQuoted text (15 lines)
> > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if > they > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend. > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are > not > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > IMHO. > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > would > > be good for sim racing. > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > other......you've > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want toQuoted text (18 lines)
> > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes the more experienced ones could make that call but many people won't.
Myself for example I run a league but yet I have never raced with RASCAR and
no one would know where I should be placed and thus I wouldn't make your
list. I think a number of other "good" drivers would fall in this area as
well.
Unless it's an official league and run like one I think it has to be open to
all.
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:PNB59.68745$7n5.10585@sccrnsc01...
experienced
> drivers to stay out of a "pro" race if held at a track where they hadlittle
> or no experience.
>
> Example: If the RASCAR race was at Homestead next week....and I was onthe
> "pro" invite list for the week. I wouldn't run in the pro race, I'dchoose
those
> > that are great on one track may not even be able to make a lap onanother.
If
> > that
> > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don'trun
schedule
> > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always berun
> > > when I wanted to get that fix.]
> > >
> > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that Ihave
down
an
> > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment inwinning
entry
> > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require
> > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On
> > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race,someone
> > who
> > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be
> "invited"
> > > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list ofthe
to
> > run
> > > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited tothe
> > > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make
> the
> > > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in
> the
> > > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance toview
(as
> I
> > > see it...others may exist too):
> > >
> > > **Advantages**
> > >
> > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced driversrace
> > > (and fun).
> > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run
> > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to
> teach....the
> > > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one ofor
> > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if
> > they
> > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since theyare
remain
be
> a
> > > shame.
> > >
> > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think
> of?
> > > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for thisor
Quoted text (7 lines)
> Schooner.... > > Don't over think this. Its not that hard. > > At first, the "pro invite" list will have to be somewhat arbitrary....but > not difficult to get say 90% right. I could do that in five minutes. We > also could probably very easily trust the good judgment of theseQuoted text (14 lines)
> the novice/open race, because I don't have much experience racing at that > track. > > I think most of the experienced drivers here (if not all) could be left to > their own decision about that sort of thing, don't you? > > TP > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7CB59.5668$[email hidden]... > > Who exactly is going to make this invite list and determine people's > > abilities? > > As you said yourself Tom the abilities range from track to track soQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend.Quoted text (11 lines)
> > in > > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to > be > > > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR > does > > > this already.] > > > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > > once > > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated myQuoted text (7 lines)
> > less > > > experience on. > > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how > some > > of > > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pinQuoted text (8 lines)
> > my > > > weaknesses.] > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" forQuoted text (18 lines)
> > or > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > racing.] > > > > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > > avoid > > > the not fun)?** > > > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > > time -:).....). > > > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the > other > > a > > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make anQuoted text (20 lines)
> > > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that > > coming > > > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by > > > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the > weekend > > > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full > field > > of > > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > > takes > > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who > visit > > > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > > > > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wantsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > and > > > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > > > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro > race. > > > No? > > > > > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described aboveQuoted text (13 lines)
> > not > > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > > IMHO. > > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > > would > > > be good for sim racing. > > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > > other......you've > > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to > do > > > it. > > > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving toQuoted text (28 lines)
> on > > > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > > > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > > > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > > > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have > thought > > > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro > > race! > > > Way cool....as a matter of fact. > > > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as > new > > > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply > registering > > > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a > pro > > > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > > > > > **Disadvantages** > > > > > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race > on > > > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give > (IMHO). > > > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > > > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, > writing > > > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > > > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That wouldQuoted text (19 lines)
> > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why don't you guys start a thread for your vote instead of each one of you with
your own thread and make sure you put RASCAR in the subject okay? Thanks.
- David Cook
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>
>
Bit curious about that myself; one race, etc.
John
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]...
> >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun"
>
> It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to
> change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be
> modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want.You
> have to accept some compromise in life, you know...
>
> I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the
> fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you startwriting
racing.]
Quoted text (12 lines)
> like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems. > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (22 lines)
> > Sorry but that's a fact of life. > > > > > So, what do you guys think? > > I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing all these > things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > >
--
Mike Grandy
www.precision-racing.com
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point.
>
> Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and
> something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own
> opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great
> too.
>
> **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun**
>
> 1. No points tabulation from race to race.
> [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If
that
> were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run
in
> leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
> certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
> this already.]
>
> 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least
once
> a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> when I wanted to get that fix.]
>
> 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have
less
> experience on.
> [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how some
of
> the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down
my
> weaknesses.]
>
> **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun**
>
> 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers.
> [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing.
> Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an
> experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning
or
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
>
> **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and
avoid
> the not fun)?**
>
> 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> time -:).....).
>
> 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the other
a
> "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now).
>
> 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event.
> [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry
> that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require
> his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On
> Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone
who
> is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
> to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
coming
> weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
> approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full field
of
> RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person
takes
> over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time
> consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times.
>
> 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit
> r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
>
> 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
run
> in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
> "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
> "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view
and
> observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
> well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race.
> No?
>
> There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I
> see it...others may exist too):
>
> **Advantages**
>
> 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race
> (and fun).
> 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run
> in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the
> pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or
> more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if
they
> are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are
not
> under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,
IMHO.
> You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that
would
> be good for sim racing.
> 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each
other......you've
> just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do
> it.
> 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on
> that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
> quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
> 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought
> it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro
race!
> Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new
> people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering
> their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro
> race invite by additionally giving their email address.
>
> **Disadvantages**
>
> 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on
> Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO).
> In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
> (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing
> the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
> Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a
> shame.
>
> So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of?
> Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or
> against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on.
>
> TP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
They are all in the same thread. You need to group messages by conversation
or you're going to get confused.
David G Fisher
"David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:QVB59.13649$[email hidden]...
> Why don't you guys start a thread for your vote instead of each one of youwith
Quoted text (11 lines)
> your own thread and make sure you put RASCAR in the subject okay? Thanks. > > - David Cook > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IpB59.68405$7n5.9681@sccrnsc01... > > > > > > > >
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point.
> We could have a RASCAR for the Pro drivers and a Lastcar for the
rest..............
dh
Schooner....
Well, you'd make the list now because of your post above. Couldn't we post
a "draft" of a possible "pro" list and let those who are not on the initial
list....but want to be or think they should be, make a post like you just
did. How hard is that?
Maybe it would take a few weeks......but I bet not.......the "invite list"
would be accurate as to abilities/experience, and if not....continued
culling and adding could be possible on an ongoing basis?
TP
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:HQB59.5671$[email hidden]...
> Yes the more experienced ones could make that call but many people won't.
> Myself for example I run a league but yet I have never raced with RASCARand
> no one would know where I should be placed and thus I wouldn't make your
> list. I think a number of other "good" drivers would fall in this area as
> well.
> Unless it's an official league and run like one I think it has to be opento
arbitrary....but
> > not difficult to get say 90% right. I could do that in five minutes.We
that
> > track.
> >
> > I think most of the experienced drivers here (if not all) could be leftto
and
> > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This ismy
to
> > be
> > > > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR
> > does
> > > > this already.]
> > > >
> > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...atleast
racing.
> > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing"for
(and
require
by
> > > > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the
> > weekend
> > > > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full
> > field
> > > of
> > > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making upthe
> > > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> > > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the nextperson
wants
> to
> > > run
> > > > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to
> the
> > > > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but canmake
> > the
> > > > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to runin
> > the
> > > > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice driversgain
> > > > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to
> view
> > > and
> > > > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who isrunning
of
> or
> > > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice raceif
> > > they
> > > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> > > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they
> are
> > > not
> > > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with theirrookie
> > > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment aswell,
> > > IMHO.
> > > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....andthat
> > > would
> > > > be good for sim racing.
> > > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each
> > > other......you've
> > > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you wantto
> > do
> > > > it.
> > > > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to
> remain
> > on
> > > > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their namecan
> > > > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made ofit.
> > > > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> > > > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have
> > thought
> > > > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to thepro
> > > race!
> > > > Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> > > > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" thatas
> > new
> > > > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply
> > registering
> > > > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they wanta
> > pro
> > > > race invite by additionally giving their email address.
> > > >
> > > > **Disadvantages**
> > > >
> > > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCARrace
think
> > of?
> > > > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your forthis
Quoted text (9 lines)
> all. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PNB59.68745$7n5.10585@sccrnsc01... > > Schooner.... > > > > Don't over think this. Its not that hard. > > > > At first, the "pro invite" list will have to be somewhatQuoted text (11 lines)
> > also could probably very easily trust the good judgment of these > experienced > > drivers to stay out of a "pro" race if held at a track where they had > little > > or no experience. > > > > Example: If the RASCAR race was at Homestead next week....and I was on > the > > "pro" invite list for the week. I wouldn't run in the pro race, I'd > choose > > the novice/open race, because I don't have much experience racing atQuoted text (19 lines)
> > their own decision about that sort of thing, don't you? > > > > TP > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7CB59.5668$[email hidden]... > > > Who exactly is going to make this invite list and determine people's > > > abilities? > > > As you said yourself Tom the abilities range from track to track so > those > > > that are great on one track may not even be able to make a lap on > another. > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun"Quoted text (15 lines)
> > own > > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > > great > > > > too. > > > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. > If > > > that > > > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't > run > > > in > > > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advanceQuoted text (25 lines)
> > > once > > > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my > schedule > > > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be > run > > > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I > have > > > less > > > > experience on. > > > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how > > some > > > of > > > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin > down > > > my > > > > weaknesses.] > > > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with theQuoted text (8 lines)
> an > > > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in > winning > > > or > > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > > racing.] > > > > > > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The FunQuoted text (15 lines)
> > > avoid > > > > the not fun)?** > > > > > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > > > time -:).....). > > > > > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the > > other > > > a > > > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an > entry > > > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thusQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, > someone > > > who > > > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be > > "invited" > > > > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of > the > > > > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that > > > coming > > > > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend,Quoted text (9 lines)
> > > takes > > > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who > > visit > > > > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > > > > > > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" whoQuoted text (18 lines)
> > > > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro > > race. > > > > No? > > > > > > > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above > (as > > I > > > > see it...others may exist too): > > > > > > > > **Advantages** > > > > > > > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers > race > > > > (and fun). > > > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > > > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to > > teach....the > > > > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of oneQuoted text (13 lines)
> > on > > > > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give > > (IMHO). > > > > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > > > > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, > > writing > > > > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > > > > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would > be > > a > > > > shame. > > > > > > > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you canQuoted text (22 lines)
> or > > > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I vote no as well, although I have only made a couple of races and perhaps
my vote should not count. I think the format is great, and being open to
newer drivers is a great help for them - not many leagues these days cater
to , or help, newer folks to online racing. It is nice to see a racing forum
where newer folks are welcome, they can learn a lot from the more veteran
drivers and may in fact be a primary reason they decide to stick with online
racing rather than throwing up their hands and quitting for good.
I'm not sure I understand why 1 guy makes 1 race then all of a sudden
everyone has to make a decision and vote on invite only? Or perhaps this
was already in the works, I haven't been around as much lately.
I've been going through some major life changes the last 5-6 months,
hopefully things will settle down soon and I will be able to be more of a
regular with you guys.
Don Burnette
"Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:XEC59.110131$[email hidden]...
own
> > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that'sgreat
be
> > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCARdoes
some
racing.]
other
"invited"
> > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
> coming
> > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As theweekend
> > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a fullfield
visit
> > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
> >
> > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
> run
> > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can makethe
> > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run inthe
> > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view
> and
> > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
> > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the prorace.
> > No?
> >
> > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (asI
teach....the
do
> > it.
> > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remainon
> > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
> > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
> > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would havethought
> > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro
> race!
> > Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that asnew
> > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simplyregistering
> > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want apro
> > race invite by additionally giving their email address.
> >
> > **Disadvantages**
> >
> > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR raceon
> > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give(IMHO).
> > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
> > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner,writing
> > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
> > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would bea
> > shame.
> >
> > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can thinkof?
Quoted text (11 lines)
> > > -- > Mike Grandy > www.precision-racing.com > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is myQuoted text (10 lines)
> > too. > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If > that > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run > in > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance toQuoted text (14 lines)
> > this already.] > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > once > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have > less > > experience on. > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, howQuoted text (13 lines)
> of > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down > my > > weaknesses.] > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > avoid > > the not fun)?** > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > time -:).....). > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....theQuoted text (10 lines)
> a > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone > who > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will beQuoted text (9 lines)
> of > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > takes > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all whoQuoted text (8 lines)
> > see it...others may exist too): > > > > **Advantages** > > > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > > (and fun). > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood toQuoted text (15 lines)
> > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if > they > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend. > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are > not > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > IMHO. > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > would > > be good for sim racing. > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > other......you've > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want toQuoted text (19 lines)
> > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ok, I'll get to the point.
Until three weeks ago, RASCAR was a great place to race and was a great
time. It still is, really.
Then, two events (including this one) have come about to hose up the whole
thing.
Here's what I think we should do. It's a simple two-step plan:
1. Remember the way everything was prior to the last race Eldred hosted.
2. Return all thinking and attitudes to that era.
Then we can go racing and having fun again.
In short. We don't need no new shit.
-Larry
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
that
> were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't runin
> leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to be
> certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR does
> this already.]
>
> 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at leastonce
> a week, with/against people I've known for a long time.
> [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule
> doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run
> when I wanted to get that fix.]
>
> 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I haveless
> experience on.
> [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my
> experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how someof
> the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin downmy
or
> beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not racing.]
>
> **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (andavoid
> the not fun)?**
>
> 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same
> time -:).....).
>
> 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the othera
who
> is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be "invited"
> to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race thatcoming
> weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the weekend
> approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full fieldof
> RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the
> weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a
> requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next persontakes
run
> in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make the
> "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in the
> "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to viewand
they
> are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they arenot
> under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie
> mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well,IMHO.
> You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and thatwould
> be good for sim racing.
> 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race eachother......you've
race!
Quoted text (11 lines)
> Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my own > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's great > too. > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. IfQuoted text (8 lines)
> weaknesses.] > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winningQuoted text (7 lines)
> "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someoneQuoted text (7 lines)
> over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who visit > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants toQuoted text (15 lines)
> observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro race. > No? > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as I > see it...others may exist too): > > **Advantages** > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > (and fun). > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to teach....the > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race ifQuoted text (8 lines)
> just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to do > it. > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain on > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have thought > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the proQuoted text (33 lines)
> Way cool....as a matter of fact. > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as new > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply registering > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a pro > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > **Disadvantages** > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race on > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give (IMHO). > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, writing > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be a > shame. > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think of? > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > >Agreed.
-Larry
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]...
> >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun"
>
> It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to
> change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be
> modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want.You
> have to accept some compromise in life, you know...
>
> I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the
> fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you startwriting
> like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems.
>I simply try to drive as
>fast and as hard as I think I can and try not to wreck. That's really
>all I ask of anyone that's sharing the same chunk of asphalt with me.
The original intent of RASCAR isn't it :) If someone doesn't want to
run......don't. I don't recall anyone begging anyone else to join a RASCAR
race.
Dan
John...
I wouldn't have had to run in even one race. Do a Google search on
"RASCAR".....look at the number of posts about too many yellows, drivers not
knowing the rules, etc, etc. Those are the same complaints I've read for
years....about pickup racing. And, I didn't run in yesterday's race with
any other expectations than it would be like running a pickup race. And,
that's exactly what it was, in my opinion. No big deal. If there's not
going to be a way of separating the experienced drivers from the
inexperienced drivers (which I clearly do not understand why many of you
think that is something bad....like a "black mark" or something
ridiculous.....since all of racing does this everywhere else).....then I
said I didn't want to spend my Saturday (middle of the day hours) doing
that. Others may want to....that's fine with me. Why am I then made out
like the "bad guy" here? I don't understand some of your guy's logic I
guess?
TP
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
an
> > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment inwinning
these
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> Bit curious about that myself; one race, etc. > > John > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]... > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" > > > > It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to > > change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be > > modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want. > You > > have to accept some compromise in life, you know... > > > > I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the > > fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you start > writing > > like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems. > > > > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" forQuoted text (11 lines)
> > or > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > racing.] > > > > Sorry but that's a fact of life. > > > > > > > > > So, what do you guys think? > > > > I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing allQuoted text (16 lines)
> > things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all. > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > >Most of those were a friendly discussion about the upcomming race, not an
all-out fight like you see with open races.
Big difference.
The 'rules' discussion that occured a few weeks ago was an anomoly that
hopefully will not repeat. We are not the better for it, and I think that
is understood now.
-Larry
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:d%C59.98282$D36.90903@rwcrnsc53...
> John...
>
> I wouldn't have had to run in even one race. Do a Google search on
> "RASCAR".....look at the number of posts about too many yellows, driversnot
want.
racing.
> > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing"for
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> knowing the rules, etc, etc. Those are the same complaints I've read for > years....about pickup racing. And, I didn't run in yesterday's race with > any other expectations than it would be like running a pickup race. And, > that's exactly what it was, in my opinion. No big deal. If there's not > going to be a way of separating the experienced drivers from the > inexperienced drivers (which I clearly do not understand why many of you > think that is something bad....like a "black mark" or something > ridiculous.....since all of racing does this everywhere else).....then I > said I didn't want to spend my Saturday (middle of the day hours) doing > that. Others may want to....that's fine with me. Why am I then made out > like the "bad guy" here? I don't understand some of your guy's logic I > guess? > > TP > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bit curious about that myself; one race, etc. > > > > John > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]... > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" > > > > > > It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to > > > change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be > > > modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personallyQuoted text (14 lines)
> > You > > > have to accept some compromise in life, you know... > > > > > > I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the > > > fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you start > > writing > > > like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with theQuoted text (33 lines)
> an > > > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in > winning > > > or > > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > > racing.] > > > > > > Sorry but that's a fact of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what do you guys think? > > > > > > I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing all > these > > > things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Frances....
I made a suggestion that seemed like it would improve the RASCAR races from
my standpoint only. If that is something that others think would do the
same for them, then they'll vote "yes"....if not, they'll vote "no." End of
issue with me. I stated the conditions in which I would be willing to spend
my Saturday's running in RASCAR races. If those conditions don't exist, I
won't race........what's wrong with that. I'm not thinking anyone is going
to care one way or the other if I don't join the RASCAR races. Are you of
the (wrong) opinion that my stating I wouldn't run in pickup style races as
being some sort of a penalty I'm imposing on you and others? Get realistic,
Francois and stop acting like a cry baby....or pouting brat.
TP
PS: I didn't even need to run "one" race to know that there's been many
posts about "too many yellows" and drivers not knowing the rules. Do a
"Google" search and its obvious. Those are the same complaints I've seen
about pickup races for 5 years....and so have you, Frances. Do you have the
balls to deny that even?
PSS: Just how many RASCAR races have you run in, Frances? Could you share
that tad of info with us, please?
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]...
> >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun"
>
> It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to
> change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be
> modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want.You
> have to accept some compromise in life, you know...
>
> I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the
> fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you startwriting
racing.]
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> like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems. > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (22 lines)
> > Sorry but that's a fact of life. > > > > > So, what do you guys think? > > I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing all these > things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > >>"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I'm not sure I understand why 1 guy makes 1 race then all of a sudden
> everyone has to make a decision and vote on invite only?
Because it's Tom Pabst. When he thinks he wants to decides, he acts like he
decides.
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
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>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Frances....
I don't know this "Frances", your talking about. You must be confusing
myself with somebody else, as you replied to my post. You have mistaken me
with that "Frances", I'm sorry.
> PSS: Just how many RASCAR races have you run in, Frances? Could youshare
> that tad of info with us, please?
More then you.
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
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Eldred has already said he's doing the invite list starting this coming
weekend. So if the consensus is no invite list, then what happens? :-o
If there is going to be one, then Tom's setup would be the way to go.
As I've said before, I'm right in line with you. A small crowd in a few
threads managed to create a problem where it didn't really exist.
David G Fisher
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:lVC59.38190$[email hidden]...
own
> > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that'sgreat
be
> > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCARdoes
some
racing.]
other
"invited"
> > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
> coming
> > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As theweekend
> > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a fullfield
visit
> > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
> >
> > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
> run
> > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the
> > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can makethe
> > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run inthe
> > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view
> and
> > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running
> > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the prorace.
> > No?
> >
> > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (asI
teach....the
do
> > it.
> > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remainon
> > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can
> > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it.
> > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to
> > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would havethought
> > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro
> race!
> > Way cool....as a matter of fact.
> > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that asnew
> > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simplyregistering
> > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want apro
> > race invite by additionally giving their email address.
> >
> > **Disadvantages**
> >
> > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR raceon
> > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give(IMHO).
> > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming
> > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner,writing
> > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on
> > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would bea
> > shame.
> >
> > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can thinkof?
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> Ok, I'll get to the point. > > Until three weeks ago, RASCAR was a great place to race and was a great > time. It still is, really. > > Then, two events (including this one) have come about to hose up the whole > thing. > > Here's what I think we should do. It's a simple two-step plan: > > 1. Remember the way everything was prior to the last race Eldred hosted. > 2. Return all thinking and attitudes to that era. > > Then we can go racing and having fun again. > > In short. We don't need no new shit. > > -Larry > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is myQuoted text (10 lines)
> > too. > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If > that > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run > in > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance toQuoted text (14 lines)
> > this already.] > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > once > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have > less > > experience on. > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, howQuoted text (13 lines)
> of > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down > my > > weaknesses.] > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > avoid > > the not fun)?** > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > time -:).....). > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....theQuoted text (10 lines)
> a > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone > who > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will beQuoted text (9 lines)
> of > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > takes > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all whoQuoted text (8 lines)
> > see it...others may exist too): > > > > **Advantages** > > > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > > (and fun). > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood toQuoted text (15 lines)
> > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if > they > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend. > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are > not > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > IMHO. > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > would > > be good for sim racing. > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > other......you've > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want toQuoted text (18 lines)
> > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They don't show up in the same thread for OE (on my box) and I have the option
to group messages turned on. In any case I guess that was a little rude of
me...
David Cook
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5GC59.106772$[email hidden]...
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> They are all in the same thread. You need to group messages by conversation > or you're going to get confused. > > David G Fisher > > > "David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QVB59.13649$[email hidden]... > > Why don't you guys start a thread for your vote instead of each one of you > with > > your own thread and make sure you put RASCAR in the subject okay? Thanks.John...
If I follow your logic here...then apply it to real racing I get the
following conclusion(s):
A. Goodies Dash, and Busch drivers all hate Winston Cup drivers and
there's a tremendous amount of discontent and hurt feelings over the fact
that the WC drivers are considered the best....that's why they are in the WC
series.
B. F2000 drivers hate the F1 drivers....ditto above.
C. Toyota Atlantic drivers hate the CART drivers....ditto above.
D. Goodies Dash, Busch, F2000 and Toyota Atlantic drivers can not learn
anything or improve their skills, because they don't race with the WC, F1 or
CART drivers in the same race.
John...since the "novice" races would be open to all entries....wouldn't
those serve as something of a "qualifying" race as you suggested anyway?
That was my point, several times mentioned. I think I suggested that
"additions to the invite list" would come from the drivers who were doing
well in the "novice/open" races and deserved a chance to run with the more
experienced drivers....didn't I? I thought I did.
TP
"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> Well, I think the invite-only method that you laid out would pretty much > go against what we're trying to do, or at least *my* perception of what > we're trying to do. > > I think it would cause a lot of hard feelings and general hate and > discontent if people thought they were considered less than capable of > running with the "pros". Besides, how are they expected to get better > at this if they don't have better drivers to race against. > > I personally wish I were as fast as Mike Grandy, but I just don't see > how he pushes the <fast> setup like he does. I simply try to drive as > fast and as hard as I think I can and try not to wreck. That's really > all I ask of anyone that's sharing the same chunk of asphalt with me. > > I think maybe we should think about holding a qualifying race for new > guys at each track type to see how they do against current Rascarians > before we add them to the invite list. That way, we could determine for > ourselfs if we want them racing with us. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > ========================================================= Well Tom, since it seems everyone took your post the same way, maybe that
should tell you something. Not trying to get into an argument here, but
that's what it seems like.
John
"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> John...
>
> I wouldn't have had to run in even one race. Do a Google search on
> "RASCAR".....look at the number of posts about too many yellows, driversnot
want.
racing.
> > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing"for
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> knowing the rules, etc, etc. Those are the same complaints I've read for > years....about pickup racing. And, I didn't run in yesterday's race with > any other expectations than it would be like running a pickup race. And, > that's exactly what it was, in my opinion. No big deal. If there's not > going to be a way of separating the experienced drivers from the > inexperienced drivers (which I clearly do not understand why many of you > think that is something bad....like a "black mark" or something > ridiculous.....since all of racing does this everywhere else).....then I > said I didn't want to spend my Saturday (middle of the day hours) doing > that. Others may want to....that's fine with me. Why am I then made out > like the "bad guy" here? I don't understand some of your guy's logic I > guess? > > TP > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Bit curious about that myself; one race, etc. > > > > John > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tKB59.294$[email hidden]... > > > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" > > > > > > It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to > > > change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be > > > modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personallyQuoted text (14 lines)
> > You > > > have to accept some compromise in life, you know... > > > > > > I mean there is NOTHING wrong with RASCAR at this moment, what's the > > > fuss!!!! You basically did ONE race, one single race and you start > > writing > > > like you know the cure to all of it's (non-existing) problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with theQuoted text (33 lines)
> an > > > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in > winning > > > or > > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > > racing.] > > > > > > Sorry but that's a fact of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what do you guys think? > > > > > > I think that you are wasting your "so precious" time by writing all > these > > > things. RASCAR doesn't need to change at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually, he's not the only one that wanted an invite list, and Eldred is
already putting one into effect for the coming week, regardless of what we
all vote for. :-o
David G Fisher
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:IhD59.328$[email hidden]...
> >"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > I'm not sure I understand why 1 guy makes 1 race then all of a sudden
> > everyone has to make a decision and vote on invite only?
>
>
> Because it's Tom Pabst. When he thinks he wants to decides, he acts likehe
Quoted text (15 lines)
> decides. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >Sorry for being rude, Tom. I have a filter to remove RASCAR threads from my
view - and these started showing up on their own as I suspect they all started
from one of the posts that I did not see. My bad.
David Cook
> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Because it's Tom Pabst. When he thinks he wants to decides, he actslike he
> > decides.
>
>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Actually, he's not the only one that wanted an invite list, and Eldred is
> already putting one into effect for the coming week, regardless of what we
> all vote for. :-o
Well exactly. The only ones here who can do some sort of pseudo-official
deciding on the league is either the one who originally created the league
and somehow administrates it (we know who he is) or the one that gives us
the server.
We, as the rest, are capable of doing argumentations. Nobody here has to
vote, nobody is forced. The voting is "unofficial", you know. If it was
Eldred who would had done that, it would had been different.
--
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...
I vote no .
dont fix what's not broken.
Nothing gets my gizzard more than losing to 'novice' racers. I HATE losing!
Losing to 'novices', and 'beginners, and 'experts' , and and and.... GIRLS.
I hate losing to GIRLS. Maybe we should have a girls only race. Yea. Lets
create an invite only race for GIRLS and lets, uhm lets start that race
before the novice race which is before the pro race, and and
lets..............
Enough of this crap . Wheres the next race gonna be so I can start
practicing the grub truck.
grub :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "K. Button" <[email hidden]>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: I vote "NO" = Invite List for Pro Race
own
> > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that'sgreat
be
> > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCARdoes
some
racing.]
other
"invited"
> > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the
> > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that
> coming
> > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by
> > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As theweekend
> > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a fullfield
visit
> > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race).
> >
> > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to
> run
> > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers"Carl Ribbegaardh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:aj6pje$19b8fr$[email hidden]...
>
>
>
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> > > KB > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is myQuoted text (10 lines)
> > too. > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If > that > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run > in > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance toQuoted text (15 lines)
> > this already.] > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > once > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have > less > > experience on. > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, howQuoted text (13 lines)
> of > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down > my > > weaknesses.] > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....notQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > avoid > > the not fun)?** > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > time -:).....). > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....theQuoted text (10 lines)
> a > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone > who > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will beQuoted text (9 lines)
> of > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > takes > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all whoIn article <d%C59.98282$D36.90903@rwcrnsc53>, [email hidden] says...
> John...
>
> I wouldn't have had to run in even one race. Do a Google search on
> "RASCAR".....look at the number of posts about too many yellows, drivers not
> knowing the rules, etc, etc. Those are the same complaints I've read for
> years....about pickup racing.
Don't forget that we're not that far removed from actual pickup racing.
There are also no "rules" to speak of (a situation I'm both happy about
and not happy about).
> And, I didn't run in yesterday's race with
> any other expectations than it would be like running a pickup race. And,
> that's exactly what it was, in my opinion. No big deal.
I never expect it to be like pickup racing, but sometimes it is. Sure,
we have races that have too many cautions, but we also have races that
don't have many at all. No, I don't like being wrecked out or taken out
of competition, but shit happens. From what I understand, league races
with very experienced drivers have the same problems.
I think the mix of experienced/inexperienced drivers can work if:
a) The experienced drivers take into account they're racing against
inexperienced (and less capable) drivers.
b) The inexperienced drivers practice before jumping into a race so that
they recognize the difference between starting with new tires as opposed
to old tires, etc, etc.
If you think you're the bad guy now, wait until you try calling someone
out on the carpet because they pulled some boneheaded move on the
track... :)
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> If there's not > going to be a way of separating the experienced drivers from the > inexperienced drivers (which I clearly do not understand why many of you > think that is something bad....like a "black mark" or something > ridiculous.....since all of racing does this everywhere else).....then I > said I didn't want to spend my Saturday (middle of the day hours) doing > that. Others may want to....that's fine with me. Why am I then made out > like the "bad guy" here? I don't understand some of your guy's logic I > guess?Ahhh, ok then, I did not realize that , makes more sense then I guess.
I still would highly encourage you guys to persuade new guys to online
racing to join in, help them, and be a part of helping this online hobby
become bigger. If an new online racer makes it to this forum, then I imagine
he/she is fairly serious about wanting to learn how to race online.
New blood is good for any hobby.
Don Burnette
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> Actually, he's not the only one that wanted an invite list, and Eldred is > already putting one into effect for the coming week, regardless of what we > all vote for. :-o > > David G Fisher > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IhD59.328$[email hidden]... > > >"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > I'm not sure I understand why 1 guy makes 1 race then all of a sudden > > > everyone has to make a decision and vote on invite only? > > > > > > Because it's Tom Pabst. When he thinks he wants to decides, he actsQuoted text (18 lines)
> he > > decides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >I'm just not sure what the point of this invite list is going to be, since
we've done close to 30 races and so far there hasn't been one person who's
done anything yet that would get themselves taken off of an invite list. Not
one person has intentionally wrecked anyone or been abusive. No one has been
making an unreasonable amount of mistakes either.
David G Fisher
"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ahhh, ok then, I did not realize that , makes more sense then I guess.
> I still would highly encourage you guys to persuade new guys to online
> racing to join in, help them, and be a part of helping this online hobby
> become bigger. If an new online racer makes it to this forum, then Iimagine
is
> > already putting one into effect for the coming week, regardless of whatwe
sudden
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> he/she is fairly serious about wanting to learn how to race online. > New blood is good for any hobby. > > Don Burnette > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sHD59.173318$[email hidden]... > > Actually, he's not the only one that wanted an invite list, and EldredQuoted text (8 lines)
> > all vote for. :-o > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:IhD59.328$[email hidden]... > > > >"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > I'm not sure I understand why 1 guy makes 1 race then all of aQuoted text (26 lines)
> > > > everyone has to make a decision and vote on invite only? > > > > > > > > > Because it's Tom Pabst. When he thinks he wants to decides, he acts > like > > he > > > decides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03...
> > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point.
> >
> > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and
> > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is myown
> > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that'sgreat
> > too.
> >
> > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun**
> >** snip **
What RASCAR really needs to do "if" it's going to get selective, is to
create it's own forum and return rec.autos to what it used to be before it
started getting over-run with this type of selective league format that
should not be taking up as much space on a public news group as what it
does.
Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem
finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone
that is not into the RASCAR scene.
Cheers,
Ron Ayton
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racing experience and knowledge will be added to our own. Resistance is
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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > ** snip ** > > What RASCAR really needs to do "if" it's going to get selective, is to > create it's own forum and return rec.autos to what it used to be before it > started getting over-run with this type of selective league format that > should not be taking up as much space on a public news group as what it > does. > Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem > finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone > that is not into the RASCAR scene. >On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:49:15 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:
LOL.
Brian Oster
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>In article <01c241ea$bd057780$035b8b90@ronayton>, [email hidden] >says... >> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... >> > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. >> > > >> > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and >> > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my >> own >> > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's >> great >> > > too. >> > > >> > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** >> > > >> ** snip ** >> >> What RASCAR really needs to do "if" it's going to get selective, is to >> create it's own forum and return rec.autos to what it used to be before it >> started getting over-run with this type of selective league format that >> should not be taking up as much space on a public news group as what it >> does. >> Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem >> finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone >> that is not into the RASCAR scene. >> > >We are RASCAR of Borg. You will be assimilated and your collective >racing experience and knowledge will be added to our own. Resistance is >futile.In article <01c241ea$bd057780$035b8b90@ronayton>, "Ron Ayton"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem
>finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone
>that is not into the RASCAR scene.
And the same thing happens everytime a new sim comes out. A NASCAR sim is
released, it dominates the discussion. Same thing if an F1 sim is released.
Should a new group be created for each of those?
Not a flame, just an observation.
Eldred
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tKB59.294>
> It's already fun. It should stay the same. Why do you want things to
> change? Another time, RASCAR is not made for you, as in, it won't be
> modified only to please you and what kind of "fun" you personally want.
You
> have to accept some compromise in life, you know...
>
His proper name is "FARNK" Tom.
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> > Frances....
>
> I don't know this "Frances", your talking about.
Doesn't this concept he is proposing sound familiar Don? "OLRI" LOLOL
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If he does start an invite list, I think the RASCAR discussion needs
to leave this NG. Any further discussion here would be inappropriate.
I think the discussion so far has been pretty beneficial. Some folks
tend to get their collective panties in a wad, but mostly, it has been
good for folks to talk about what they want to get out of their online
pickup racing experience, how it might improve, etc.
If the doors close to all but a select few, well, end of discussion,
OK? Otherwise, I look forward to more ideas, race rundowns,
complaints, flames, etc.
Gerald
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> Eldred has already said he's doing the invite list starting this coming > weekend. So if the consensus is no invite list, then what happens? :-o > > If there is going to be one, then Tom's setup would be the way to go. > > As I've said before, I'm right in line with you. A small crowd in a few > threads managed to create a problem where it didn't really exist. > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lVC59.38190$[email hidden]... > > Ok, I'll get to the point. > > > > Until three weeks ago, RASCAR was a great place to race and was a great > > time. It still is, really. > > > > Then, two events (including this one) have come about to hose up the whole > > thing. > > > > Here's what I think we should do. It's a simple two-step plan: > > > > 1. Remember the way everything was prior to the last race Eldred hosted. > > 2. Return all thinking and attitudes to that era. > > > > Then we can go racing and having fun again. > > > > In short. We don't need no new shit. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend. If > that > > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don't run > in > > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to > be > > > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR > does > > > this already.] > > > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > once > > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated my schedule > > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always be run > > > when I wanted to get that fix.] > > > > > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that I have > less > > > experience on. > > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how > some > of > > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pin down > my > > > weaknesses.] > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" for an > > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment in winning > or > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > racing.] > > > > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > avoid > > > the not fun)?** > > > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > > time -:).....). > > > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the > other > a > > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make an entry > > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require > > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On > > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race, someone > who > > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be > "invited" > > > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list of the > > > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that > coming > > > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by > > > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the > weekend > > > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full > field > of > > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > takes > > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who > visit > > > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > > > > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wants to > run > > > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited to the > > > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make > the > > > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in > the > > > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain > > > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance to view > and > > > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > > > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro > race. > > > No? > > > > > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described above (as > I > > > see it...others may exist too): > > > > > > **Advantages** > > > > > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced drivers race > > > (and fun). > > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run > > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to > teach....the > > > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one of or > > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if > they > > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend. > > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since they are > not > > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > IMHO. > > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > would > > > be good for sim racing. > > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > other......you've > > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to > do > > > it. > > > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving to remain > on > > > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > > > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > > > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > > > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have > thought > > > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro > race! > > > Way cool....as a matter of fact. > > > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as > new > > > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply > registering > > > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a > pro > > > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > > > > > **Disadvantages** > > > > > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race > on > > > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give > (IMHO). > > > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > > > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, > writing > > > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > > > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That would be > a > > > shame. > > > > > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think > of? > > > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for this or > > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I must admit, being pretty much an open group, that race at WG really
impressed me. I saw none of the flaming and torment even the best leagues
eventually suffer. Since RASCAR has been running a while I'd agree don't
change anything yet.
Eventually there will be enough 'serious' guys who agree to spin off another
division of RASCAR.
jmo
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"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Leave as is, is my vote. Don't fix what ain't broke. This is Rascar's
> format, it seems to be working well, take it or leave it, simple as that.
> But since who knows if/when I'll ever be able to do another, who cares
what
> I think <g>
>
> John
>
"Gerald Moore" wrote...
The invite list not to prevent entry into the races but to protect the races
from outsiders with bad intention who happen to know how to configure a
newsreader. A security breach is bound to happen at some point if we
continue hosting races in the way we do (a million monkeys at a million word
processors...). So that is one use for the list.
The other, more sinister reason is to have "a bat behind the door", i.e. a
means to enforce an expulsion should it ever come to such an unfortunate
event.
So, basically, you can look forward to more creative ribbing / bitching from
the RASCAR crowd. Unless people really start to object, of course.
Jan.
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> If he does start an invite list, I think the RASCAR > discussion needs to leave this NG. Any further > discussion here would be inappropriate. > > I think the discussion so far has been pretty beneficial. > Some folks tend to get their collective panties in a wad, > but mostly, it has been good for folks to talk about what > they want to get out of their online pickup racing > experience, how it might improve, etc. > > If the doors close to all but a select few, well, end of > discussion, OK? Otherwise, I look forward to more ideas, > race rundowns, complaints, flames, etc.
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I must admit, being pretty much an open group, that race at WG really
> impressed me. I saw none of the flaming and torment even the best leagues
> eventually suffer. Since RASCAR has been running a while I'd agree don't
> change anything yet.
>
> Eventually there will be enough 'serious' guys who agree to spin offanother
> division of RASCAR.
> jmo
>
RASCAR
BUSCHCAR ? ;o)
HOOTERSCAR ? ;o)
Elrikk
Why don't you sign up to a legue instead?
I mean, you can probably race in most leagues as an irregular.
This way we don't need to change RASCAR to something it aint?
/Carl
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> John... > > If I follow your logic here...then apply it to real racing I get the > following conclusion(s): > > A. Goodies Dash, and Busch drivers all hate Winston Cup drivers and > there's a tremendous amount of discontent and hurt feelings over the fact > that the WC drivers are considered the best....that's why they are in theQuoted text (8 lines)
> series. > > B. F2000 drivers hate the F1 drivers....ditto above. > > C. Toyota Atlantic drivers hate the CART drivers....ditto above. > > D. Goodies Dash, Busch, F2000 and Toyota Atlantic drivers can not learn > anything or improve their skills, because they don't race with the WC, F1Quoted text (52 lines)
> CART drivers in the same race. > > John...since the "novice" races would be open to all entries....wouldn't > those serve as something of a "qualifying" race as you suggested anyway? > That was my point, several times mentioned. I think I suggested that > "additions to the invite list" would come from the drivers who were doing > well in the "novice/open" races and deserved a chance to run with the more > experienced drivers....didn't I? I thought I did. > > TP > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, I think the invite-only method that you laid out would pretty much > > go against what we're trying to do, or at least *my* perception of what > > we're trying to do. > > > > I think it would cause a lot of hard feelings and general hate and > > discontent if people thought they were considered less than capable of > > running with the "pros". Besides, how are they expected to get better > > at this if they don't have better drivers to race against. > > > > I personally wish I were as fast as Mike Grandy, but I just don't see > > how he pushes the <fast> setup like he does. I simply try to drive as > > fast and as hard as I think I can and try not to wreck. That's really > > all I ask of anyone that's sharing the same chunk of asphalt with me. > > > > I think maybe we should think about holding a qualifying race for new > > guys at each track type to see how they do against current Rascarians > > before we add them to the invite list. That way, we could determine for > > ourselfs if we want them racing with us. > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > RASCAR Roster > > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (490+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > >Ron,
I get oh so tired of many things on RAS. But I don't ask people to leave
because of it. RAS is for Simracers of all kinds. The idea of secluding
RASCAR on RAS is absurd, how about all the WSC thread people have to leave
or GPL threads etc. Where would it stop? Who would police it? (besides
Frank). If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff..
Mitch
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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > ** snip ** > > What RASCAR really needs to do "if" it's going to get selective, is to > create it's own forum and return rec.autos to what it used to be before it > started getting over-run with this type of selective league format that > should not be taking up as much space on a public news group as what it > does. > Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem > finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone > that is not into the RASCAR scene. > > Cheers, > Ron Ayton > Australia > >>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote
> His proper name is "FARNK" Tom.
His proper name is "POODLE" Tom.
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>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Being a socialist you probably don't understand the concept of a VOTE.
Hehehe. It's either my way or you can stuff it where you know 8)
> If you don't agree.... Vote NO. Pretty simple concept. You know...like
> your vote to make Quebec an independent third world country. ;)
LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU !!!!
<fingers pointed in ears>
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vOU59.820$%>
> LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU !!!!
>
> <fingers pointed in ears>
>
> ;)
"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Who would police it? (besides Frank).
Hehehe all the MHO stuff is slowly starting to cross over here, and *I don't
like the look of it* ;-D
> If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff..
Or the best, is to filter the word "RASCAR". I would say it is found in
about every post related to the series, if not all of them.
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We are RASCAR of Borg. You will be assimilated and your collective
racing experience and knowledge will be added to our own. Resistance is
futile.
All your base are ours. ;-)
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racing experience and knowledge will be added to our own. Resistance is
futile.
All your base are ours. ;-)
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Member:
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CORS
RASCAR
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MoGPL Rank + 349.43
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Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote in article
<wXR59.4377$[email hidden]>...
> Ron,
>
> I get oh so tired of many things on RAS. But I don't ask people to leave
> because of it. RAS is for Simracers of all kinds. The idea of secluding
> RASCAR on RAS is absurd, how about all the WSC thread people have toleave
> or GPL threads etc. Where would it stop? Who would police it? (besides
> Frank). If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff..
>
> Mitch
>
>
Hi Mitch, hope you have been keeping well..
I agree that ras is for all types of sim racing and all types of
discussions about simming on a computer.
But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league)
using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the
right thing to do.
If the threads in the WSC or GPL debates etc etc were to do with specific
league happenings, then i would feel the same way about them too, but no
other leagues use ras for their own personal league business..
Ras is for discusssions of all Simmers, regardless of simming preferences
and RASCAR is simply a league based on a select few of the individuals
that inhabit ras.
I have nothing against RASCAR or NASCAR, as you are well aware, having
raced against you on numerous occasions in N(add number here) sims for
years now, but RASCAR should form it's own forum for its discussions and
allow ras to be used for what it was designed to be used for.
Cheers,
Ron
In article <yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03>, Tom Pabst
<[email hidden]> writes
<quite a small snip for Tom's stuff> :)
John Simmons has already addressed the problem that this may cause
resentment amongst those that think they SHOULD be on that list against
the one who's turn it is to create the list, and if it is posted here
then I can envisage plenty of follow-up posts asking 'WHY ME?'
With regard to a novice race then to me:
novice = bad driver
So, who is going to want to race online with a load of bad drivers?
Surely most guys who are not on the pro race list are going to think it
best avoided because it's going to be crash city. That'll do your
ratings the world of good.
PS: I am not a member as yet, but I'm quietly contemplating having a go
myself and it looks like if I leave it any longer I may find it harder
to do so.
I'm sure a web site has been mentioned where info on what to do is
found. Guess I better get looking. :)
Ignore... just saw next thread. <BG>
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"Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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leave
> > because of it. RAS is for Simracers of all kinds. The idea ofsecluding
As Joachim said, RASCAR is not a league. It's a way for people from r.a.s.
to get together and race. Simple as that. We are using N2002 becaue it has
the best online code, but any sim that has good online code could be used in
the future.
There are no pints, or a championship to be won. No prizes. No bragging
rights, sponsorship, etc.
R.a.s. is about auto simulators, and supposedly the people who frequent this
newsgroup are very serious and enthusiastic about auto sims. Online racing
is a key ingredient that most of us hope will be included in all auto sims
in the near future. It only makes sense then that we should get together and
race each other, and then discuss those races here at r.a.s.
David G Fisher
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> > > Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <wXR59.4377$[email hidden]>... > > Ron, > > > > I get oh so tired of many things on RAS. But I don't ask people toQuoted text (29 lines)
> > RASCAR on RAS is absurd, how about all the WSC thread people have to > leave > > or GPL threads etc. Where would it stop? Who would police it? > (besides > > Frank). If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff.. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > Hi Mitch, hope you have been keeping well.. > I agree that ras is for all types of sim racing and all types of > discussions about simming on a computer. > But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league) > using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the > right thing to do. > If the threads in the WSC or GPL debates etc etc were to do with specific > league happenings, then i would feel the same way about them too, but no > other leagues use ras for their own personal league business.. > Ras is for discusssions of all Simmers, regardless of simming preferences > and RASCAR is simply a league based on a select few of the individuals > that inhabit ras. > I have nothing against RASCAR or NASCAR, as you are well aware, having > raced against you on numerous occasions in N(add number here) sims for > years now, but RASCAR should form it's own forum for its discussions and > allow ras to be used for what it was designed to be used for. > > Cheers, > Ron"Richard "ZZ" Busch" wrote...
> We are RASCAR of Borg. You will be assimilated and
> your collective racing experience and knowledge will
> be added to our own. Resistance is futile.
>
> All your base are ours. ;-)
Missed opportunity, IMO. You should have said "All your setup are belong to
us". ;-))
Jan.
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Things are great in the Northern half Ron :) Glad to see your name again,
been quite awhile.
As for RASCAR I would'nt really call it a league or series at all. More of
a Semi-Pickup race made up of individuals from RAS. I do agree it adds to
the "noise" of the NG, but thats kinda the point here isn't it? Hehe..
Hope to see ya on the track again soon Ron!
Mitch
"Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > because of it. RAS is for Simracers of all kinds. The idea ofsecluding
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> > > Mitch_A <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <wXR59.4377$[email hidden]>... > > Ron, > > > > I get oh so tired of many things on RAS. But I don't ask people toQuoted text (29 lines)
> > RASCAR on RAS is absurd, how about all the WSC thread people have to > leave > > or GPL threads etc. Where would it stop? Who would police it? > (besides > > Frank). If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff.. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > Hi Mitch, hope you have been keeping well.. > I agree that ras is for all types of sim racing and all types of > discussions about simming on a computer. > But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league) > using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the > right thing to do. > If the threads in the WSC or GPL debates etc etc were to do with specific > league happenings, then i would feel the same way about them too, but no > other leagues use ras for their own personal league business.. > Ras is for discusssions of all Simmers, regardless of simming preferences > and RASCAR is simply a league based on a select few of the individuals > that inhabit ras. > I have nothing against RASCAR or NASCAR, as you are well aware, having > raced against you on numerous occasions in N(add number here) sims for > years now, but RASCAR should form it's own forum for its discussions and > allow ras to be used for what it was designed to be used for. > > Cheers, > RonRon,
I tend to disagree. I don't mean to argue about terms and definitions, but
RASCAR is not (yet) a league, although some call it that, thereby losing the
original idea behind it a bit out of sight.
RASCAR is organized friendly pickup races for the people coming together in
this NG. There is no 'championship' table or anything like it, there is no
rules, only a few rudimentary 'common sense' type guidelines, there is no
commissioner/admin - nothing. RASCAR was and still is an attempt at giving
the wide range of different people in this NG a chance to race against each
other, embracing both rookies and and experienced sim racers.
Although the basic idea of RASCAR seems to slip out of sight a bit - and
maybe it'll at one point actually change into a league - I think the
original idea was something special, and it's closely linked to this NG.
Therefor it should at this point stay here, IMO.
Achim
"Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi Mitch, hope you have been keeping well.. > I agree that ras is for all types of sim racing and all types of > discussions about simming on a computer. > But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league) > using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the > right thing to do. > If the threads in the WSC or GPL debates etc etc were to do with specific > league happenings, then i would feel the same way about them too, but no > other leagues use ras for their own personal league business.. > Ras is for discusssions of all Simmers, regardless of simming preferences > and RASCAR is simply a league based on a select few of the individuals > that inhabit ras. > I have nothing against RASCAR or NASCAR, as you are well aware, having > raced against you on numerous occasions in N(add number here) sims for > years now, but RASCAR should form it's own forum for its discussions and > allow ras to be used for what it was designed to be used for. > > Cheers, > RonIn article <yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03>, Tom Pabst
<[email hidden]> writes
<smaller Pabst stuff snipped than usual> :)
John Simmons has already addressed the problem that this may cause
resentment amongst those that think they SHOULD be on that list against
the one who's turn it is to create the list, and if it is posted here
then I can envisage plenty of follow-up posts asking 'WHY ME?'
With regard to a novice race then to me:
novice = bad driver
So, who is going to want to race online with a load of bad drivers?
Surely most guys who are not on the pro race list are going to think it
best avoided because it's going to be crash city. That'll do your
ratings the world of good.
PS: I am not a member as yet, but I'm quietly contemplating having a go
myself and it looks like if I leave it any longer I may find it harder
to do so.
I'm sure a web site has been mentioned where info on what to do is
found. Guess I better get looking. :)
Ignore... just saw next thread. <BG>
Apologies if this appeared twice, but it never showed up at my end.
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If Eldred wants to run an invite list, then we run an invite list.
I'm here to race. Whatever Eldred wants to do I'll support :)
Those unhappy with the invite list don't have to race. It's their choice.
-Larry
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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whole
> > thing.
> >
> > Here's what I think we should do. It's a simple two-step plan:
> >
> > 1. Remember the way everything was prior to the last race Eldredhosted.
If
> > that
> > > were the case, then it would the same burden as a league and I don'trun
schedule
> > > doesn't allow it. So, this RASCAR event on Saturday could always berun
> > > when I wanted to get that fix.]
> > >
> > > 3. Getting to race with some experienced drivers on tracks that Ihave
down
an
> > > experienced driver since he has no feelings of accomplishment inwinning
entry
> > > that says he wants to be invited to the "pro" races, and thus require
> > > his/her email address to be included in the driver registration. On
> > > Wednesday or Thursday of each week there is to be a RASCAR race,someone
> > who
> > > is appointed in advance to do this function, decides who will be
> "invited"
> > > to the pro race on Saturday, makes a 'post' on r.a.s. with a list ofthe
to
> > run
> > > in it as well....or maybe many times some of the drivers invited tothe
> > > "pro" race can't make it because of their schedule.......but can make
> the
> > > "novice" race time slot. Encourage the experienced drivers to run in
> the
> > > "novice" race as often as they can.....to help the novice drivers gain
> > > experience. This also allows the "experienced" drivers a chance toview
(as
> I
> > > see it...others may exist too):
> > >
> > > **Advantages**
> > >
> > > 1. Novice drivers are not interfering with the experienced driversrace
> > > (and fun).
> > > 2. Experienced drivers can choose which race they want to run
> > > in.....choosing the novice race when they are in the mood to
> teach....the
> > > pro race when they are in the mood to try to kick some butt of one ofor
> > > more of their r.a.s. buddies! They can also choose the novice race if
> > they
> > > are not very experienced at the track being run that weekend.
> > > 3. Novice drivers have a more relaxed racing atmosphere since theyare
remain
be
> a
> > > shame.
> > >
> > > So, what do you guys think? Are there more "advantages" you can think
> of?
> > > Are there more "disadvantages?" What's your vote? Are your for thisor
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> Eldred has already said he's doing the invite list starting this coming > weekend. So if the consensus is no invite list, then what happens? :-o > > If there is going to be one, then Tom's setup would be the way to go. > > As I've said before, I'm right in line with you. A small crowd in a few > threads managed to create a problem where it didn't really exist. > > David G Fisher > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lVC59.38190$[email hidden]... > > Ok, I'll get to the point. > > > > Until three weeks ago, RASCAR was a great place to race and was a great > > time. It still is, really. > > > > Then, two events (including this one) have come about to hose up theQuoted text (23 lines)
> > 2. Return all thinking and attitudes to that era. > > > > Then we can go racing and having fun again. > > > > In short. We don't need no new shit. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > > > 1. No points tabulation from race to race. > > > [That way I don't have to obligate that time slot to every weekend.Quoted text (11 lines)
> > in > > > leagues just for that reason.....I can't fix my schedule in advance to > be > > > certain of not missing a substantial number of league races. RASCAR > does > > > this already.] > > > > > > 2. Have a place to go find some good "door to door" racing...at least > > once > > > a week, with/against people I've known for a long time. > > > [I could get that in a league race, but I've already stated myQuoted text (7 lines)
> > less > > > experience on. > > > [This would motivate me to practice and learn some tracks where my > > > experience is low. And, I could benefit from seeing first hand, how > some > > of > > > the more experienced drivers run the track and therefore better pinQuoted text (8 lines)
> > my > > > weaknesses.] > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing NOT Fun** > > > > > > 1. Being forced to race with novice drivers. > > > [Per number 2 above, having novice drivers interfere with the racing. > > > Racing against novices is not always fun....its also not "racing" forQuoted text (18 lines)
> > or > > > beating a novice driver. In fact, its called "teaching".....not > racing.] > > > > > > **What Could Be Added To The RASCAR Format To Accomplish The Fun (and > > avoid > > > the not fun)?** > > > > > > 1. Hold two RASCAR races on Saturday, back to back (not at the same > > > time -:).....). > > > > > > 2. Make one of them a "pro or experienced-drivers-only" race....the > other > > a > > > "novice" or open race (as the RASCAR races are now). > > > > > > 3. Make the "pro" race an invitation only event. > > > [On the driver registration area at RSC, allow a driver to make anQuoted text (20 lines)
> > > names, and sends (via private email) the unique PW for the race that > > coming > > > weekend. The "drivers" invited can RSVP for the race that weekend, by > > > virtue of making a post in the string of the invite post. As the > weekend > > > approaches, additional drives can be invited if there is not a full > field > > of > > > RSVP's developing for that coming race. The position of making up the > > > weekly "pro race" invite list can be totally volunteer....with say a > > > requirement that you do it for say two months....then the next person > > takes > > > over the job for only two months...and so on. Its not a huge "time > > > consuming" thing to do once a week...for about 8 times. > > > > > > 4. Make the "novice" race an open invitation race (open to all who > visit > > > r.a.s. and know the "standing pw" for the novice race). > > > > > > 5. Make the "novice" race open to any "experienced driver" who wantsQuoted text (7 lines)
> > and > > > observe the novice drivers, too......and see first hand who is running > > > well....and maybe deserving of a "provisional invitation" to the pro > race. > > > No? > > > > > > There are advantages and disadvantages to the system described aboveQuoted text (13 lines)
> > not > > > under pressure to avoid screwing up somebody's race with their rookie > > > mistakes. This makes for a much better learning environment as well, > > IMHO. > > > You'd probably get many more novice drivers to participate....and that > > would > > > be good for sim racing. > > > 4. Everyone who visits r.a.s. can still get to race each > > other......you've > > > just got the added opportunity/benefit to choose which way you want to > do > > > it. > > > 5. If someone on the "pro" race invite list is not deserving toQuoted text (28 lines)
> on > > > that list because of their on-track actual performance, their name can > > > quietly be dropped from the list and no big public deal is made of it. > > > 6. A quasi-award system is in place, to encourage novice drivers to > > > practice and get better. When I was a novice driver, I would have > thought > > > it was cool to do well enough to ***earn*** and invitation to the pro > > race! > > > Way cool....as a matter of fact. > > > 7. This system is flexible enough by its "open architecture" that as > new > > > people visiting r.a.s., they can easily participate by simply > registering > > > their info and car at the RASCAR site....and indicating if they want a > pro > > > race invite by additionally giving their email address. > > > > > > **Disadvantages** > > > > > > 1. It would require slightly more "administration" of the RASCAR race > on > > > Saturday....but not much more, for the huge benefit it would give > (IMHO). > > > In also MHO, if a minimum amount of administration isn't forthcoming > > > (handling the driver registration and car sets in a timely manner, > writing > > > the pro race invite list weekly, and operating the race server on > > > Saturday)....then this RASCAR thing will die off anyway. That wouldQuoted text (19 lines)
> > > against it? Let's go with the consensus....and move on. > > > > > > TP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's not always like this. One or two needless events recently have caused
all of this.
Hopefully it will all settle down soon, and we can get it back to the way it
was before all hell broke loose for NO reason whatsoever.
Then we can start racing again.
-Larry
"Ron Ayton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:yoB59.65106$UU1.11865@sccrnsc03... > > > Okay...let's separate out all the crap and get to the point. > > > > > > Here's what I think would make the RASCAR racing on Saturday "fun" and > > > something I would spend 2 or 3 hours doing on a Saturday. This is my > own > > > opinion of "fun" and if shared by others....great. If not....that's > great > > > too. > > > > > > **What Would Make RASCAR Racing Fun** > > > > ** snip ** > > What RASCAR really needs to do "if" it's going to get selective, is to > create it's own forum and return rec.autos to what it used to be before it > started getting over-run with this type of selective league format that > should not be taking up as much space on a public news group as what it > does. > Ras used to be great for informative and recreational posting and problem > finding, but all it is at the moment is a waste of bandspace for anyone > that is not into the RASCAR scene. > > Cheers, > Ron Ayton > Australia > >IMHO, THAT's when things started to get ugly around here. When the MHO
thing went down.
-Larry
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Who would police it? (besides Frank).
>
>
> Hehehe all the MHO stuff is slowly starting to cross over here, and *Idon't
Quoted text (21 lines)
> like the look of it* ;-D > > > > If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff.. > > > Or the best, is to filter the word "RASCAR". I would say it is found in > about every post related to the series, if not all of them. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >No problem David....I figured something was just screwy........didn't think
you were being rude, anyway.
TP
"David Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Sorry for being rude, Tom. I have a filter to remove RASCAR threads frommy
> view - and these started showing up on their own as I suspect they allstarted
> from one of the posts that I did not see. My bad.
>
> David Cook
>
>
Whats the MHO thing?
Brian Oster
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:40 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>IMHO, THAT's when things started to get ugly around here. When the MHO >thing went down. > >-Larry > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:V_V59.1325$[email hidden]... >> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > Who would police it? (besides Frank). >> >> >> Hehehe all the MHO stuff is slowly starting to cross over here, and *I >don't >> like the look of it* ;-D >> >> >> > If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff.. >> >> >> Or the best, is to filter the word "RASCAR". I would say it is found in >> about every post related to the series, if not all of them. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ >> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez >> Corporation - helping America into the New World... >> >> >> >>Missed opportunity, IMO. You should have said "All your setup are belong to
>us". ;-))
Or
"All your RACE are belong to us"...
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>But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league)
>using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the
>right thing to do.
I agree with that sentiment, which is why I created the e-mail group.
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>"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote
> Whats the MHO thing?
Dystopia!
It was the newsgroup where old NROS guys posted. The people there started
posting over on the TEN newsgroup years ago, then moved to Jacob Butner's
NG, then moved to the MHOgaming.com news server. It's been down for over 3
weeks now, and nobody wants to tell us if he's dead forever or not.
Somehow, Larry is right by saying it's been ugly now here on r.a.s. since
the MHO server went down.
But I disgress with Larry, it's ugly it's beautiful now here ;)
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote
> > Whats the MHO thing?
>
> Dystopia!
>
> It was the newsgroup where old NROS guys posted. The people there started
> posting over on the TEN newsgroup years ago, then moved to Jacob Butner's
> NG, then moved to the MHOgaming.com news server. It's been down for over
3
> weeks now, and nobody wants to tell us if he's dead forever or not.
>
> Somehow, Larry is right by saying it's been ugly now here on r.a.s. since
> the MHO server went down.
>
>
> But I disgress with Larry, it's ugly it's beautiful now here ;)
>
>
>
>
> --
> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...
>
>
>
The RAS'ers can only wish!
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started
> > posting over on the TEN newsgroup years ago, then moved to JacobButner's
> > NG, then moved to the MHOgaming.com news server. It's been down forover
> 3
> > weeks now, and nobody wants to tell us if he's dead forever or not.
> >
> > Somehow, Larry is right by saying it's been ugly now here on r.a.s.since
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> The MHO group may still come back. > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tId69.735$P%[email hidden]... > > >"Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote > > > Whats the MHO thing? > > > > Dystopia! > > > > It was the newsgroup where old NROS guys posted. The people thereQuoted text (18 lines)
> > the MHO server went down. > > > > > > But I disgress with Larry, it's ugly it's beautiful now here ;) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote
> The MHO group may still come back.
<thinks about machiavellian plan>
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The Dark Side.
LOL!
-Larry
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> Whats the MHO thing? > > Brian Oster > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:40 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >IMHO, THAT's when things started to get ugly around here. When the MHO > >thing went down. > > > >-Larry > > > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:V_V59.1325$[email hidden]... > >> "Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote > >> > Who would police it? (besides Frank). > >> > >> > >> Hehehe all the MHO stuff is slowly starting to cross over here, and *I > >don't > >> like the look of it* ;-D > >> > >> > >> > If ya don't want to read it then don't, simple stuff.. > >> > >> > >> Or the best, is to filter the word "RASCAR". I would say it is foundQuoted text (16 lines)
> >> about every post related to the series, if not all of them. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > >> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > >> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > >> Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >> > >> > >> > > >Eldred,
I really don't want yet another email address, especially with Yahoo. Can I
provide you one to use for mailings ?
-Larry
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> >But RASCAR is about a league (call it what you like, it's still a league) > >using ras for it's own discussions and formats, which is not really the > >right thing to do. > > I agree with that sentiment, which is why I created the e-mail group. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank:+8.09 > N2002 Rank:+22.329 > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
>Eldred,
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>I really don't want yet another email address, especially with Yahoo. Can I
>provide you one to use for mailings ?
>
Ack - then *I* have to keep a mailing list...
Eldred
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