SideWinder products achieve Windows XP certification?

Ok I noticed this on the Microsoft website. I've been racing N2002 in xp home edition forever now. My understanding was that the sidewinder software (version 4.0) didn't work with xp, which in turn meant that you could not set the gas and brake as two different axis. Does this Microsoft revelation mean the software works and you can now run the gas and brake each on a seperate axis. Has anybody tried this or does this stated cerification not mean a hill of beans in this crazy mixed up world?

The Sidewinder software for non-USB joysticks will not work in XP. However, I'm fairly certain that the Sidewinder driver that comes with XP has split axis throttle and brake (at least for the force feedback wheel). It's been a while since I used my MSFF wheel (I upgraded to a Momo) but I'm pretty sure that was how it worked. Of course, you still can't program the buttons, force feedback doesn't work properly and sometimes the controller will stop working in the middle of a game, but other than that ... :) -- Mr Q (replies to mrq AT optushome DOT com DOT au) ***************************************************************** "Ha Ha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iPU19.26807$[email hidden]... > Ok I noticed this on the Microsoft website. I've been racing N2002 in xp > home edition forever now. My understanding was that the sidewinder software > (version 4.0) didn't work with xp, which in turn meant that you could not > set the gas and brake as two different axis. > > Does this Microsoft revelation mean the software works and you can now run > the gas and brake each on a seperate axis. > > Has anybody tried this or does this stated cerification not mean a hill of > beans in this crazy mixed up world? > >

There is a cure for this problem,i found it today whilsy trying to cure my own,same problem. On a Win XP system,the MS FF usb wheel will work perfectly depending on your motherboard chipset. Mine that i purchased last week was one it wouldnt work with properly,intermittent at best. So i e mailed Microsoft,who said that i should contact my motherboard chipset manufacturer to see if they had produced a USB Registry patch for Sidewinder in XP. I went to the SIS Chipset site and low and behold a little 54kb patch for that exact purpose. Downloaded it,installed it,rebooted. EUREEKA.....wheel works perfectly,messed about alot,switched on and off alot to try and upset it...but no its fine. So,my advice is to e mail your chipset people and ask for a patch to be done if they havent done one yet,refer to SIS's example if needed. Good luck Andy

Huh, I have the USB version running in XP with a split axis, I loaded the software that came with the wheel and I am able to program all of the buttons. Brian Oster On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:26:47 +1000, "Andre Queree \(Mr Q\)" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The Sidewinder software for non-USB joysticks will not work in XP. > >However, I'm fairly certain that the Sidewinder driver that comes with XP >has split axis throttle and brake (at least for the force feedback wheel). >It's been a while since I used my MSFF wheel (I upgraded to a Momo) but I'm >pretty sure that was how it worked. > >Of course, you still can't program the buttons, force feedback doesn't work >properly and sometimes the controller will stop working in the middle of a >game, but other than that ... :)

Brian..:-)) You are lucky enough to have the 'correct' type of chipset according to the Microsoft e mail reply i received. Until today...i wasn't :-( But now i am patched :-)) Andy

Well, thank god. I don't know if I would have the patience to work out a chipset problem to get a usb device to work. However, I have an Asus A7v333 (or something like that) with USB 2.0 I was having trouble getting the Asus supplied USB 2 drivers to work, so I disabled USB 2 (I don't have any usb 2 devices yet) and just used the std usb along with the drivers shipped by ms in XP, so maybe that is the difference. Brian Oster On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:23:20 +0100, "Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Brian..:-)) > >You are lucky enough to have the 'correct' type of chipset according to the >Microsoft e mail reply i received. > >Until today...i wasn't :-( > >But now i am patched :-)) > > >Andy >

You have mentioned one of the things that makes a mockery out of Microsoft's WHQL Certification. Yes, the 4.0 CD that comes with the MSFFW (USB Only) DOES work fine in XP and 2K. Just disregard the warning when you install it :) It makes me laugh to no end that Microsoft granted WHQL certification to it's OWN software that complains that it isn't compatible when you try to install it. If any other manufacturer tried to do that, MS would never let them. This proved to me once and for all that WHQL is a joke, and I don't blame manufacturers for not bothering with it. -Larry "Ha Ha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iPU19.26807$[email hidden]... > Ok I noticed this on the Microsoft website. I've been racing N2002 in xp > home edition forever now. My understanding was that the sidewindersoftware

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> (version 4.0) didn't work with xp, which in turn meant that you could not > set the gas and brake as two different axis. > > Does this Microsoft revelation mean the software works and you can now run > the gas and brake each on a seperate axis. > > Has anybody tried this or does this stated cerification not mean a hill of > beans in this crazy mixed up world? > >

Ditto. The USB version of the MSFFW with the included 4.0 Software CD works fine. -Larry "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Huh, I have the USB version running in XP with a split axis, I loaded > the software that came with the wheel and I am able to program all of > the buttons. > > Brian Oster > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:26:47 +1000, "Andre Queree \(Mr Q\)" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The Sidewinder software for non-USB joysticks will not work in XP. > > > >However, I'm fairly certain that the Sidewinder driver that comes with XP > >has split axis throttle and brake (at least for the force feedback

wheel). > >It's been a while since I used my MSFF wheel (I upgraded to a Momo) butI'm > >pretty sure that was how it worked. > > > >Of course, you still can't program the buttons, force feedback doesn'twork > >properly and sometimes the controller will stop working in the middle ofa > >game, but other than that ... :) >

If it complains then it's not certified. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Q8n29.178431$%%[email hidden]... > You have mentioned one of the things that makes a mockery out ofMicrosoft's

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> WHQL Certification. > > Yes, the 4.0 CD that comes with the MSFFW (USB Only) DOES work fine in XP > and 2K. > > Just disregard the warning when you install it :) > > It makes me laugh to no end that Microsoft granted WHQL certification to > it's OWN software that complains that it isn't compatible when you try to > install it. > > If any other manufacturer tried to do that, MS would never let them. > > This proved to me once and for all that WHQL is a joke, and I don't blame > manufacturers for not bothering with it. > > -Larry > > "Ha Ha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iPU19.26807$[email hidden]... > > Ok I noticed this on the Microsoft website. I've been racing N2002 in xp > > home edition forever now. My understanding was that the sidewinder > software > > (version 4.0) didn't work with xp, which in turn meant that you could

not > > set the gas and brake as two different axis. > > > > Does this Microsoft revelation mean the software works and you can nowrun > > the gas and brake each on a seperate axis. > > > > Has anybody tried this or does this stated cerification not mean a hillof > > beans in this crazy mixed up world? > > > > > >

Yep - the key phrase in my post was: "non-USB". USB versions should have no problem at all. -- Mr Q (replies to mrq AT optushome DOT com DOT au) ***************************************************************** "Brian Oster" <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Huh, I have the USB version running in XP with a split axis, I loaded > the software that came with the wheel and I am able to program all of > the buttons. > > Brian Oster > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:26:47 +1000, "Andre Queree \(Mr Q\)" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The Sidewinder software for non-USB joysticks will not work in XP. > > > >However, I'm fairly certain that the Sidewinder driver that comes with XP > >has split axis throttle and brake (at least for the force feedback wheel). > >It's been a while since I used my MSFF wheel (I upgraded to a Momo) but I'm > >pretty sure that was how it worked. > > > >Of course, you still can't program the buttons, force feedback doesn't work > >properly and sometimes the controller will stop working in the middle of a > >game, but other than that ... :) >

Yes, it IS CERTIFIED. Microsoft proudly proclaims this on their site. That is the lunacy of it all. -Larry "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yWs29.1656$[email hidden]...

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> If it complains then it's not certified. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Q8n29.178431$%%[email hidden]... > > You have mentioned one of the things that makes a mockery out of > Microsoft's > > WHQL Certification. > > > > Yes, the 4.0 CD that comes with the MSFFW (USB Only) DOES work fine in

XP > > and 2K. > > > > Just disregard the warning when you install it :) > > > > It makes me laugh to no end that Microsoft granted WHQL certification to > > it's OWN software that complains that it isn't compatible when you tryto > > install it. > > > > If any other manufacturer tried to do that, MS would never let them. > > > > This proved to me once and for all that WHQL is a joke, and I don'tblame

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> > manufacturers for not bothering with it. > > > > -Larry > > > > "Ha Ha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iPU19.26807$[email hidden]... > > > Ok I noticed this on the Microsoft website. I've been racing N2002 in

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> > > home edition forever now. My understanding was that the sidewinder > > software > > > (version 4.0) didn't work with xp, which in turn meant that you could > not > > > set the gas and brake as two different axis. > > > > > > Does this Microsoft revelation mean the software works and you can now > run > > > the gas and brake each on a seperate axis. > > > > > > Has anybody tried this or does this stated cerification not mean a

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Larry,it appears you missed my earlier post :-)) I went searching for a USBfilter driver as you suggested and found a patch on my motherboard chipset's site. It is described as a MS Windows XP patch for USB Apps. http://www.sis.com/support/driver/utility.htm Please look,as you helped me look for it :-)) Join in my eureeka moment...lol Many thanks Larry mate...truly. Andy

So it fixed it ? Cool :) That's years of fighting with VIA that came up with that one :) -Larry "Andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aigbr6$d0g$[email hidden]...

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> Larry,it appears you missed my earlier post :-)) > > I went searching for a USBfilter driver as you suggested and found a patch > on my motherboard chipset's site. > > It is described as a MS Windows XP patch for USB Apps. > > http://www.sis.com/support/driver/utility.htm > > Please look,as you helped me look for it :-)) > > Join in my eureeka moment...lol > > Many thanks Larry mate...truly. > > > Andy > >