AAAA!!!! HELP ME!!!!! (Benchmarks)

Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?! And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?! It's driving me INSANE!!! Mark Reading, UK

Mark Davison wrote:

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> > Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER > than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?! > And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower > reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?! > > It's driving me INSANE!!!

Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ? If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Goy Larsen wrote: > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ? > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-) Nevermind, I've read your other posts now Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ? > > > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-) > > Nevermind, I've read your other posts now

I know you said never mind, but the answer is... HARDLY! N2002 (the only one that matters right now) From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. I'm peeved. I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my scores seem curiously low. In another thread someone claimed a score of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300. One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband addressing(?) was available but disabled. What is this? Would it increase performance and if so how do I enable it? How do I know if my components are performing at their optimum? I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget, so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me. Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions? I'm getting more bald by the minute... Cheers, Mark Reading, UK

"Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ah7772$gjj$[email hidden]>... > Why is my vertex shader score in 3DMark with a GF4Ti4200 in an 1800XP LOWER > than that of a GF2MX in my old P3 866?!?!?!?!?! > And why would that same GF2MX when put into the 1800XP also produce lower > reults (but still higher that with the GF4?!?!?!?! Barring the obvious questions (Via 4-in-1's, run Det Destroyer, etc.), get yourself a copy of SiSoft Sandra (the free version has all you need) and see if a) your processor is running at full speed (maybe you've got it on 100Mhz FSB) and b) what your memory benchmarks look like. I've got a GF3Ti200 and on my XP2100+ system with DDR, I just top 7000 in 3dmark. Let me know if you need any more details. HTH, Kendt

"Mark" <said: > N2002 (the only one that matters right now) > From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at > Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and > the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better > performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly > same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. You only get a 4fps increase ?????? What kind of settings/ resoltions are we talking about here?? What sort of systems are these? I'm considering to upgrade my system too... Right now I got a 1.33gHz AMD and a 64mb GF2 Pro... What I have in mind is to get a 128mb GF4-Ti4400 or maybe a Radeon 8500.... and if my budget allow it.. a faster CPU aswell... -- ed_

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> > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ? > > > > > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-) > > > > Nevermind, I've read your other posts now > > I know you said never mind, but the answer is... > HARDLY! > > N2002 (the only one that matters right now) > From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at > Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and > the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better > performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly > same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. > > I'm peeved. I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my > scores seem curiously low. In another thread someone claimed a score > of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300. > > One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband > addressing(?) was available but disabled. What is this? Would it > increase performance and if so how do I enable it? How do I know if > my components are performing at their optimum? > > I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget, > so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me. > > Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions? > I'm getting more bald by the minute...

www.nvidiafaq.com alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Don't laugh, but... when I upgraded to a P4 chip and board, I went from a Celeron 566/GF2 mx to a P4 1.6A/GF4 4400. My benchmarks were only in the 5000 range. I tore my hair out trying to figure out wtf was going on. Finally, I talked to someone else familiar with P4 boards, and I had to plug in the extra plug in the mb for more power. After that I was 10,000+! Don't overlook the obvious things. -- Tim Doyle TDRacin� Online TeamECR Sim MotorSports www.TeamECR.com VRW Team Owner www.VirtualRacingWorld.com "Mark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > > > > Does it run your fav games faster than the old card ? > > > > > > If the answer to this is yes, then forget the benchmarks :-) > > > > Nevermind, I've read your other posts now > > I know you said never mind, but the answer is... > HARDLY! > > N2002 (the only one that matters right now) > From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at > Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and > the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better > performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly > same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. > > I'm peeved. I know I shouldn't read too much into benchmarks, but my > scores seem curiously low. In another thread someone claimed a score > of circa 9500 with 1800XP/Ti4200 - I get around 6300. > > One thing that was noted in the results of 3Dmark is that sideband > addressing(?) was available but disabled. What is this? Would it > increase performance and if so how do I enable it? How do I know if > my components are performing at their optimum? > > I know this is awfully off topic but it's a simracing rig on a budget, > so improving framerates in Q3 or whatever doesn't interest me. > > Anyone know of a group where I might get answers to these questions? > I'm getting more bald by the minute... > > Cheers, > > Mark > Reading, UK

"Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Barring the obvious questions (Via 4-in-1's, run Det Destroyer, etc.), > get yourself a copy of SiSoft Sandra (the free version has all you > need) and see if a) your processor is running at full speed (maybe > you've got it on 100Mhz FSB) and b) what your memory benchmarks look > like. > > I've got a GF3Ti200 and on my XP2100+ system with DDR, I just top 7000 > in 3dmark. > > Let me know if you need any more details.

Thx all. Huttu pointed in in the right direction. When I got this PC I gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98. I did not know that an AGP driver was required for windows!! Popped in the drivers disk for the mobo and there it was. What a dufus. Without any tweaking I ran a 3Dmark test and got just under 8500 - MUCH better than the 6200 I was getting... Now I need to find out if there's a way on enabling fast writes on this board, see if I can squeeze a liitle more out... Thanks again, Mark Reading, UK

Double your cpu if possible and then worry about a vid card..Hang on just a-bit longer. If/when the Radeon 9000's get released, we 'should' see some price movement on the TI Nvidia cards dave henrie "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V1XZ8.170$[email hidden]...

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> "Mark" <said: > > > N2002 (the only one that matters right now) > > From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at > > Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and > > the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better > > performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly > > same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. > > You only get a 4fps increase ?????? > > What kind of settings/ resoltions are we talking about here?? > What sort of systems are these? > > I'm considering to upgrade my system too... Right now I got a 1.33gHz AMD > and a 64mb GF2 Pro... > What I have in mind is to get a 128mb GF4-Ti4400 or maybe a Radeon

8500.... > and if my budget allow it.. a faster CPU aswell... > > -- > ed_ >

In article <ahe3sr$4bv$[email hidden]>, "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> writes: >Thx all. Huttu pointed in in the right direction. When I got this PC I >gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98. I did not know that an AGP >driver was required for windows!! Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen? I have an AGP card too, but there's no seperate line for AGP... Eldred p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx Voodoo Series"... WTF? Damn... -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <ahe3sr$4bv$[email hidden]>, "Mark Davison" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Thx all. Huttu pointed in in the right direction. When I got this PC I > >gutted it - reformat and fresh install of Win98. I did not know that an AGP > >driver was required for windows!! > > Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen? I have an AGP card too, but > there's no seperate line for AGP... > > p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx > Voodoo Series"... WTF? Damn...

If you have installed your "4in1" drivers, you have installed your AGP drivers as they are part of the "4in1" package And for the record, on a V5 you probably won't see much difference anyway, it may look like an AGP card, and it may use the AGP slot, but in reality it's not taking advantage of AGP, 3Dfx believed the AGP bus to be too slow to be of much use and designed their card differently, that's one of the reasons the PCI version of the V5 became quite popular with people who's computers didn't have an AGP port as the performance between the two of them were almost identical, hence you got a decent vid card that would run perfectly happy in a PCI slot That's Reader Digest version, I can't remember the tech bits, I'm old and my memory is failing me (actually I'm not *that* old but I'm not a morning person and I always feel old before lunch) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen? I have an AGP card too, but > there's no seperate line for AGP... > > Eldred > p.s. now that I look at the device list again, my V5 just shows up as "3dfx > Voodoo Series"... WTF? Damn... I've just gotten into work, but I'll check for you tonight. BTW, thanks for your work on RASCAR. I've only attended a couple of meets (#69 MrkyMrk) but it's much appreciated. Now that I've got a more capable rig I may try again - if you decide to keep on truckin', that is... Mark

Mark wrote: > > BTW, thanks for your work on RASCAR. I've only attended a couple of > meets (#69 MrkyMrk) but it's much appreciated. Now that I've got a > more capable rig I may try again - if you decide to keep on truckin', > that is... Would that be THE Marky Mark of "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" fame ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Would that be THE Marky Mark of "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" fame ? Embarrasing history aside, Mark Wahlberg (sp?) has com on quite nicely. I'd happily step into his shoes! And yes, I have owned a Marky Mark single at some point! I just couldn't think of anything imaginative at registration time. Mark Reading, UK (not Hollywood, USA)

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V1XZ8.170$[email hidden]...

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> "Mark" <said: > > > N2002 (the only one that matters right now) > > From 440MX to Ti4200 I get a 4fps increase at the start of a race at > > Daytona - keeping me at 30fps (just) as we enter the front stretch and > > the pits and grandstand become visible. I still get better > > performance from D3D than OpenGL. Replay from cockpit gives exactly > > same results so it's gotta be a vidcard bottleneck. > > You only get a 4fps increase ?????? > > What kind of settings/ resoltions are we talking about here?? > What sort of systems are these? > > I'm considering to upgrade my system too... Right now I got a 1.33gHz AMD > and a 64mb GF2 Pro... > What I have in mind is to get a 128mb GF4-Ti4400 or maybe a Radeon

8500.... > and if my budget allow it.. a faster CPU aswell... You may have caught my replies in another thread, but I didn't have my AGP interface set up correctly in Win98SE. Trash that 4fps increase. Actually getting on for a 33% increase (but then the MX was using the ill AGP...) I'm a much happier camper now, and I'm sure there's some extra juice to squeeze out with a little bit of tweaking... Mark Reading, UK

> Does that show up in your 'system devices' screen? I have an AGP cardtoo, but > there's no seperate line for AGP... FYI: System Properties, View devices by type, System devices --> SiS Accelerated Graphics Port. That's what I've got. I guess YMMV from other Voodoo related posts in this thread... Mark Reading, UK Oh, and if this helps - make sure I'm on your RASCAR invite list for the once in a blue moon I'm able to attend.....;-).

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Would that be THE Marky Mark of "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" fame ? > > Embarrasing history aside, Mark Wahlberg (sp?) has com on quite nicely. I'd > happily step into his shoes! And yes, I have owned a Marky Mark single at > some point! > > I just couldn't think of anything imaginative at registration time.

Even if I had at some point owned a Marky Mark single (did they ever release a full album ?), I'd never admit it.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Even if I had at some point owned a Marky Mark single (did they ever > release a full album ?), I'd never admit it.....:-) Snob ;-) MrkyMrk

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > Even if I had at some point owned a Marky Mark single (did they ever > > release a full album ?), I'd never admit it.....:-) > > Snob ;-)

The Snobby Socialist, that's me Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Mark) writes: >BTW, thanks for your work on RASCAR. I've only attended a couple of >meets (#69 MrkyMrk) but it's much appreciated. Now that I've got a >more capable rig I may try again - if you decide to keep on truckin', >that is... You're welcome. John and Phil have done most of the organizing, though. I just provide a server. I'm not pulling the plug totally, just taking a break... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett My .sig file is in the shop for repairs... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.