Just got a momo and want your opinion

I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because i heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I am not sure if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days so maybe I have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buying TSW pedals for it.

TSW Pedals compliment the Momo very nicely - as does the USB RS Shifter from Act Labs. - David Cook "Brian Bowles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6dWY8.43508$[email hidden]... > I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because i > heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right > choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I am notsure > if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days so maybe I > have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buying TSW > pedals for it.

i find that the throttle is fine but im a left foot breaker and if i hover my foot above the brake my foot will go numb... to remedy this wedge up the front of the pedals by putting a video cassette underneath the front .... it seems to do the trick for me..... im thinking about fabricating a big wooden wedge for a more permenant solution....... has anyone else got a better remedy( bar buying tsw pedals) oz "Steve Rawlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because i > > heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right > > choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I am notsure > > if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days somaybe I > > have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buyingTSW

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> > pedals for it. > > I think it's a fantastic wheel. I agree the pedals dont match the wheel > for quality. > > steve >

"Owen Pilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d3432ed$[email hidden]... > i find that the throttle is fine but im a left foot breaker and if i hover > my foot above the brake my foot will go numb... > to remedy this wedge up the front of the pedals by putting a videocassette > underneath the front .... it seems to do the trick for me..... > im thinking about fabricating a big wooden wedge for a more permenant > solution....... > has anyone else got a better remedy( bar buying tsw pedals) > oz Stick a usb cable in your ear and write a driver for you head. That should do the trick, bound to more intuitive than pedals ;)

I put my MOMO pedals on a wooden tilted base and have no issues with them, they work great. Here are some pics of my setup: http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/seat1.jpg http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/pedals1.jpg http://www.schoonersolutions.com/corl/images/setup1.jpg There are also some other setups there in our Forums section under PC Hardware Schooner2000 www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League "Owen Pilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3d3432ed$[email hidden]... > i find that the throttle is fine but im a left foot breaker and if i hover > my foot above the brake my foot will go numb... > to remedy this wedge up the front of the pedals by putting a videocassette

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> underneath the front .... it seems to do the trick for me..... > im thinking about fabricating a big wooden wedge for a more permenant > solution....... > has anyone else got a better remedy( bar buying tsw pedals) > oz > "Steve Rawlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because

i > > > heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right > > > choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I amnot

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> sure > > > if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days so > maybe I > > > have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buying > TSW > > > pedals for it. > > > > I think it's a fantastic wheel. I agree the pedals dont match the wheel > > for quality. > > > > steve > > > >

> I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because i > heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right > choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I am not sure > if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days so maybe I > have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buying TSW > pedals for it. I think it's a fantastic wheel. I agree the pedals dont match the wheel for quality. steve

Not to be a smart ass, but if you bought the MOMO based on what you read here you should have expected to be less than thrilled with the pedals. Just about every post about the MOMO says the wheel is great the pedals suck. Now with that said there is plenty of options. The first one would to be use your current MSFF pedals with the MOMO wheel. Some games other than Papy ones may not support this but its a start. MadDAWG

I typically run my Momo with no FF or it set less than 10%. People that think that the FF strength is the key have it wrong IMHO. It's the smoothness and quality of it. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lBZY8.11202$[email hidden]...

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> "Jim Morrison" wrote... > > You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot > > longer than that logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and > > the pedal are very good. You paid alot of money for that > > Momo name, thats about it.... > > Fortunately, there's more to the Logitech MOMO than just the brand name > tie-in. It's better engineered, built and finished than the regular models > (and the MSFF, IMO) as well. > Also, it's not how strong the FF can be, IMO, but how precise and subtle

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> response is which makes for a good FF wheel. Even a basic Logitech can > manage "too much" in my experience. A common "beginner" error when getting > an FF wheel is turning up the strenght too much in order to "really feel > what's going on", again: IMO. > > That said, if you want something that requires manhandling and rattles you > around when playing games it's probably not worth paying the extra money

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> the MOMO. The MSFF can take a lot of abuse and, at the force levels > inferred, you might not feel the difference. > > Jan. > =--- > >

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> i find that the throttle is fine but im a left foot breaker and if i hover > my foot above the brake my foot will go numb... > to remedy this wedge up the front of the pedals by putting a video cassette > underneath the front .... it seems to do the trick for me..... > im thinking about fabricating a big wooden wedge for a more permenant > solution....... > has anyone else got a better remedy( bar buying tsw pedals)

I put a squash ball under the brake pedal. steve

You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot longer than that logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and the pedal are very good. You paid alot of money for that Momo name, thats about it....

"Brian Bowles" wrote... > I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get > a momo because i heard it was better. You heard correctly, IMO. > Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right choice. > The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but > I am not sure if it is that much better. I have only been > using it a few days so maybe I have not given myself > enough time. I am already thinking about buying TSW pedals > for it. I feel I have to defend the pedals a bit here. I had heavily modified my TM NasPro pedals and wired them to my original LWFF before. When I bought the MOMO my situation was such it was basically all I could do to get the racing in I had committed myself to (leagues) so I had no time to do anything special for the pedals and just went with the default "until I got around to re-wiring the unit". I'm still using them. I think most people will baulk at the low resistance of the springs, but once used to this I find them very easy and precise to use. For left foot braking I rest my foot on the base and operate the pedal with my big toe. The wheel itself smooths out a bit with use and the leather wheel cover makes it a lot more comfortable to use in longer races. I'm happy with my MOMO and think if you give yourself the time to adapt you will be too. That said... high end 3rd party pedals sets are worth considering in their own right. Jan. =---

>For left foot braking I rest my foot on the base > and operate the pedal with my big toe. Thats just what I do. :) I've been doing it for years since I had the LWFF before the MOMO. The ooooooonly real knock I have on the Logi pedals is the short travel. I actulaly prefer their range movement over other pedals. I think this is due to sitting poosition since I use an office type chair at my desk. If I had more of a cockpit design where I sat lower then they may not be so great. > The wheel itself smooths out a bit with use and the leather wheel cover > makes it a lot more comfortable to use in longer races. The feel of the MSFF wheel sucks. That damn seam cuts into your hand. It was the biggest reason I DIDN't go with the MSFF MadDAWG.

"Jim Morrison" wrote... > You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot > longer than that logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and > the pedal are very good. You paid alot of money for that > Momo name, thats about it.... Fortunately, there's more to the Logitech MOMO than just the brand name tie-in. It's better engineered, built and finished than the regular models (and the MSFF, IMO) as well. Also, it's not how strong the FF can be, IMO, but how precise and subtle the response is which makes for a good FF wheel. Even a basic Logitech can manage "too much" in my experience. A common "beginner" error when getting an FF wheel is turning up the strenght too much in order to "really feel what's going on", again: IMO. That said, if you want something that requires manhandling and rattles you around when playing games it's probably not worth paying the extra money for the MOMO. The MSFF can take a lot of abuse and, at the force levels inferred, you might not feel the difference. Jan. =---

MadDAWG - I use mine in more of a cockpit style setup on a raised tilted base with no issues. See post above for pics. I think the problem is people smack them out of the box, fire them on the floor at their desk and expect them to suit every situation perfectly. They are also use to whatever they are currently using and thus any change is going to take some time. The MOMO pedals are not the strongest in the word for sure but I like mine and they work great. I personally like the low resistance, take getting use to but nice when your running long races, can easily get on and off the gas and brake. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >For left foot braking I rest my foot on the base > > and operate the pedal with my big toe. > > Thats just what I do. :) I've been doing it for years since I had theLWFF > before the MOMO. The ooooooonly real knock I have on the Logi pedals isthe

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> short travel. I actulaly prefer their range movement over other pedals. I > think this is due to sitting poosition since I use an office type chair at > my desk. If I had more of a cockpit design where I sat lower then they may > not be so great. > > > > The wheel itself smooths out a bit with use and the leather wheel cover > > makes it a lot more comfortable to use in longer races. > > The feel of the MSFF wheel sucks. That damn seam cuts into your hand. It

was > the biggest reason I DIDN't go with the MSFF > > MadDAWG. > >

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:32:48 -0300, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I typically run my Momo with no FF or it set less than 10%. >People that think that the FF strength is the key have it wrong IMHO. It's >the smoothness and quality of it. Yup. For sims I set the ff as low as possible, to the point where I can just still feel all the ff effects. A ff wheel should be an extra help in understanding what the car is doing, it shouldn't be a workout tool. Andre

Although, you touch on a possible add-on concept like those "abterminator" products found on late night TV infomercials. They electrically stimulate the gobs of fat around ones belly in order to theoretically produce firm, rock hard abs under the surface. I'm sure we can find a way to use the power of the FF motor to produce the desired electrical stimulus. Any takers? ;0) -- Joe Marques "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:32:48 -0300, "Schooner" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I typically run my Momo with no FF or it set less than 10%. > >People that think that the FF strength is the key have it wrong IMHO. It's > >the smoothness and quality of it. > > Yup. For sims I set the ff as low as possible, to the point where I > can just still feel all the ff effects. A ff wheel should be an extra > help in understanding what the car is doing, it shouldn't be a workout > tool. > > Andre

Jim Morrison schrieb: > You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot longer than that > logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and the pedal are very good. You paid > alot of money for that Momo name, thats about it.... You obviously never put your hands on the Momo. I had the MSFF before and there is a BIG difference in quality. Leather wheel, metal gear shift paddels (a lot more usefull than the rather silly buttons on the MSFF) and absolutly precise ball bearing wheel shaft. Enough to justify the price, IMHO. The pedals are the only negative point, but you can get used to them. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind of synthetic plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? Bear in mind I only used a Momo for a few very short minutes before it went straight back to Fry's. $200.00 for that piece of sh... nevermind.. Mitch "Ronald Stoehr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... BIG difference in quality. Leather wheel, metal gear shift > paddels (a lot more usefull than the rather silly buttons on the MSFF) and > absolutly precise ball bearing wheel shaft. Enough to justify the price,IMHO.

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> > The pedals are the only negative point, but you can get used to them. > > -- > l8er > ronny > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? >

"Jim Morrison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1cZY8.115164$[email hidden]... > You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot longer than that > logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and the pedal are very good. You paid > alot of money for that Momo name, thats about it.... > In terms of longevity, my version 1 Logitech FF wheel is now about 5 years old and still works perfectly. It is still quiet, still puts out the same level of feedback and is still precise. whats more, i've fitted logi pedals to both my real cars because they are so much easier to use (ok that bit not so serious). I don't think any judgements can be made about the longevity of the momo wheel in comparison but I would expect it's construction to be pretty durable. I agree with another followup to this post - strength of forcefeedback isn't the most important feature of a wheel. I'd rather listen to a great sounding stereo than just a loud one. iksteh

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote > I feel I have to defend the pedals a bit here. I had heavily modified myTM > NasPro pedals and wired them to my original LWFF before. When I bought the > MOMO my situation was such it was basically all I could do to get theracing > in I had committed myself to (leagues) so I had no time to do anything > special for the pedals and just went with the default "until I got aroundto > re-wiring the unit". I'm still using them. I think most people will baulkat > the low resistance of the springs, but once used to this I find them very > easy and precise to use. That's how I see it, too. Of course, I had previously conditioned myself to the LWFF pedals, with half a squashball substituting for the brake spring. After that experience, the Momo's pedals (with the squashball transplanted) were awesome in comparison. The problem with the old pedals was that their travel was so weak that you'd floor the brake with the slightest effort. A squashball will only compress so far before the resistance builds up exponentially - not linearly like with the weak-ass springs. This is similar to the increase in pressure in a car's brakes. If you try this (a good single- or double-dot ball is only a few bucks) you'll look at the pedals in a whole new light. And I didn't even mention the spring-loaded, tilting pedal blocks. That's a huge improvement in their own right. Yeah, spend at least a couple of days with the pedal unit before you condemn it - they might surprise you.. -- �

I to had the original LWFF which is why I went with the MOMO. The only reason for the upgrade was the sterring shaft bushings were full of slop. Thats why I figured the MOMO's ball bearing unit was the perfect way to go. MadDAWG

It IS real leather, but not from a cow - it's actually from a henway. Regards "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aM%Y8.1491$[email hidden]... > That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind ofsynthetic > plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? [snip]

The ones that weight 3 or 4 pounds? "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ah4hik$gol$[email hidden]...

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> It IS real leather, but not from a cow - it's actually from a henway. > > Regards > > "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aM%Y8.1491$[email hidden]... > > That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind of > synthetic > > plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? > > [snip] > >

That is copyright fraud ! I do all the work to set the guy up and you steal the punchline. Life just ain't fair sometimes ;) Guess the old ones are just that - old. cyas "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dZjZ8.38622$[email hidden]...

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> The ones that weight 3 or 4 pounds? > > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ah4hik$gol$[email hidden]... > > It IS real leather, but not from a cow - it's actually from a henway. > > > > Regards > > > > "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aM%Y8.1491$[email hidden]... > > > That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind of > > synthetic > > > plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? > > > > [snip] > > > > > >

Hehe yup, that one is too old to fool anyone :) "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ah4ibk$dea$[email hidden]... > That is copyright fraud ! I do all the work to set the guy up and yousteal

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> the punchline. Life just ain't fair sometimes ;) > > Guess the old ones are just that - old. > > cyas > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dZjZ8.38622$[email hidden]... > > The ones that weight 3 or 4 pounds? > > > > "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ah4hik$gol$[email hidden]... > > > It IS real leather, but not from a cow - it's actually from a henway. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:aM%Y8.1491$[email hidden]... > > > > That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind of > > > synthetic > > > > plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hehe yup, that one is too old to fool anyone :) > That is copyright fraud ! I do all the work to set the guy up and you steal

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> the punchline. Life just ain't fair sometimes ;) > Guess the old ones are just that - old. > cyas > > The ones that weight 3 or 4 pounds? > > > It IS real leather, but not from a cow - it's actually from a henway. > > > Regards > > > > That is the strangest leather I've ever seen/felt... Some kind of > > > synthetic > > > > plasticy substance, but leather? From a COW? > > > [snip]

You find yourself in the _exact_ position I was in. Had (have) a MSFFW, and bought a Momo. Loved the wheel, simply could not deal with the pedals. The Momo went back in the box and stashed away as an emergency spare, the MSFFW went back on the desk. -Larry "Brian Bowles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6dWY8.43508$[email hidden]... > I had a ms ff wheel that worked fine. I decided to get a momo because i > heard it was better. Well I am starting to wonder if I made the right > choice. The pedals are terrible and the wheel feels better but I am notsure > if it is that much better. I have only been using it a few days so maybe I > have not given myself enough time. I am already thinking about buying TSW > pedals for it. > > >

My MSFFW is 2+ years old, has been beat to hell, and still works perfectly. We'll have to see if a Momo can do the same :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lBZY8.11202$[email hidden]...

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> "Jim Morrison" wrote... > > You should have stuck with the MS wheel. It will last alot > > longer than that logitech crap. The ff is much stronger and > > the pedal are very good. You paid alot of money for that > > Momo name, thats about it.... > > Fortunately, there's more to the Logitech MOMO than just the brand name > tie-in. It's better engineered, built and finished than the regular models > (and the MSFF, IMO) as well. > Also, it's not how strong the FF can be, IMO, but how precise and subtle

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> response is which makes for a good FF wheel. Even a basic Logitech can > manage "too much" in my experience. A common "beginner" error when getting > an FF wheel is turning up the strenght too much in order to "really feel > what's going on", again: IMO. > > That said, if you want something that requires manhandling and rattles you > around when playing games it's probably not worth paying the extra money

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> the MOMO. The MSFF can take a lot of abuse and, at the force levels > inferred, you might not feel the difference. > > Jan. > =--- > >