How noisy is your MOMO?

Mine rattles like a diesel. Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within the FF mechanism itself. Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it side to side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? A knocking sound? Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and chainsaw. They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapid side-to-side stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect type vibrations (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their implementation does not generally cause the rattles. This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), but it was a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is a frickin nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing working within it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the sucker up? I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering the same problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. What's your experience? Thanks in advance for your time... Mark Reading, UK

>If a game uses road effect type vibrations(NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it'sunplayable - gotta switch them off. Just make a profile and turn down the force feedback overall setting. I have the NHRA drag racing game and you know it when you go into tire shake. :) MadDAWG

Check that the motor screws havent worked their way loose. It happend to mine and it sounded as rough as a badgers arse. After the screws were tightened everything has been fine for months on my wheel. -- __________ Steve Levett "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agbtot$afu$[email hidden]... > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within > the FF mechanism itself. > > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it side to > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? A knocking > sound? > > Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and chainsaw. > They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapid side-to-side > stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect type vibrations > (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. > Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their > implementation does not generally cause the rattles. > > This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), but it was > a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a > replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is a frickin > nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. > > Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing working within > it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the sucker up? > > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering the same > problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > What's your experience? > > Thanks in advance for your time... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

>.......the wheel makes my desk shake like it > is possed by demons. That is no doubt! I have mine turned down in game. I really like the FF because you can feel the tire shake. From what the drivers say tire shake in a Top fuel car can make you think its possed by demons. I remeber a few drivers being knocked out from it. I'm really impressed with NHRA Main Event. The FF actualy tells you something and you can actualy feel the tuning changes during the run. Of course I'm a drag racer myself (just no were near these levels) so I may just be a little more in tune with it. Maybe Tom's 6 of 10 theroy is at work. :) MadDAWG

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agc1rv$klki4$[email hidden]... > Check that the motor screws havent worked their way loose. It happend to > mine and it sounded as rough as a badgers arse. After the screws were > tightened everything has been fine for months on my wheel. How do I get to said motor screws? Are you talking about the screws on the base of the unit? I opened it up a few days ago but couldn't find anywhere inside to tighten up... Cheers, Mark Reading, UK

Mark Davison wrote: > > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within > the FF mechanism itself. Yes. > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it side to > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? A knocking > sound? Yes. > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering the same > problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > What's your experience? I'm going to a LAN party in two week, and there will be three other Momo's for me to compare. I have to say I almost took mine back to PC world on Sunday, but it was running like a dream with N2002, and i managed to to tweak it to how I want it in GPL. But I'll let you know how it compares with the others in a couple of weeks. Cheers Gerry

IIRC, there is a another few screws you have to take off, including the 6 bolts on the front of the wheel to get to the motor. -- __________ Steve Levett "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agck3r$rlu$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:agc1rv$klki4$[email hidden]... > > Check that the motor screws havent worked their way loose. It happend to > > mine and it sounded as rough as a badgers arse. After the screws were > > tightened everything has been fine for months on my wheel. > > How do I get to said motor screws? Are you talking about the screws on the > base of the unit? I opened it up a few days ago but couldn't find anywhere > inside to tighten up... > > Cheers, > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... <snip>

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> I'm going to a LAN party in two week, and there will be three other > Momo's for me to compare. I have to say I almost took mine back to PC > world on Sunday, but it was running like a dream with N2002, and i > managed to to tweak it to how I want it in GPL. > > But I'll let you know how it compares with the others in a couple of > weeks. > > Cheers > > Gerry

Thanks, Gerry. Much appreciated. This LAN party's nowhere near Reading is it? ;-) Mark Reading, UK

<snip> Thanks, Gerry. Much appreciated. This LAN party's nowhere near Reading is it? ;-) Mark Reading, UK

Not only is my Momo noisy, but I think its dying :-( The gears sound like they are grating now (I've been using the wheel daily for 6 months). Sometimes, the wheel will jam completely on half right lock, and I have to shake it around to free it. The wheel is no longer smooth - again on right lock it always grates and is requires considerable force. There is something rattling around inside it as well... I really want to get the wheel fixed. Does anyone know a place (UK) that repairs MOMOs? I won't even try to get a warranty repair, as I assume they'll claim its just wear a tear, not a manufacturing defect. Unfortunately I don't own a phillps head (crosshead) screwdriver, (except a short one in my drill) so I can't open the wheel up and see for myself what the problem is. Any help appreciated. Cheers, Tim "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agbtot$afu$[email hidden]... > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within > the FF mechanism itself. > > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it sideto > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? Aknocking

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> sound? > > Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and chainsaw. > They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapid side-to-side > stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect type vibrations > (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. > Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their > implementation does not generally cause the rattles. > > This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), but it

was > a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a > replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is africkin > nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. > > Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing workingwithin > it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the suckerup? > > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering thesame

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> problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > What's your experience? > > Thanks in advance for your time... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

> Unfortunately I don't own a phillps head (crosshead) screwdriver, (excepta > short one in my drill) so I can't open the wheel up and see for myselfwhat > the problem is. Just how expensive are screwdrivers in the UK ? MadDAWG

Thats exactly what happens when the motor comes loose. -- __________ Steve Levett "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7HzW8.7218$[email hidden]... > Not only is my Momo noisy, but I think its dying :-( > > The gears sound like they are grating now (I've been using the wheel daily > for 6 months). Sometimes, the wheel will jam completely on half right lock, > and I have to shake it around to free it. The wheel is no longer smooth - > again on right lock it always grates and is requires considerable force. > There is something rattling around inside it as well... > > I really want to get the wheel fixed. Does anyone know a place (UK) that > repairs MOMOs? I won't even try to get a warranty repair, as I assume > they'll claim its just wear a tear, not a manufacturing defect. > > Unfortunately I don't own a phillps head (crosshead) screwdriver, (except a > short one in my drill) so I can't open the wheel up and see for myself what > the problem is. > > Any help appreciated. > > Cheers, > Tim > > > > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:agbtot$afu$[email hidden]... > > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within > > the FF mechanism itself. > > > > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it side > to > > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? A > knocking > > sound? > > > > Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and chainsaw. > > They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapid side-to-side > > stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect type vibrations > > (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. > > Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their > > implementation does not generally cause the rattles. > > > > This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), but it > was > > a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a > > replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is a > frickin > > nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. > > > > Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing working > within > > it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the sucker > up? > > > > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering the > same > > problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That > > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > > > What's your experience? > > > > Thanks in advance for your time... > > > > Mark > > Reading, UK > > > > > >

Thanks Time to buy a screwdriver! "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agekos$kqa99$[email hidden]...

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> Thats exactly what happens when the motor comes loose. > > -- > > __________ > > Steve Levett > > > "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7HzW8.7218$[email hidden]... > > Not only is my Momo noisy, but I think its dying :-( > > > > The gears sound like they are grating now (I've been using the wheel

daily > > for 6 months). Sometimes, the wheel will jam completely on half right > lock, > > and I have to shake it around to free it. The wheel is no longersmooth -

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> > again on right lock it always grates and is requires considerable force. > > There is something rattling around inside it as well... > > > > I really want to get the wheel fixed. Does anyone know a place (UK) that > > repairs MOMOs? I won't even try to get a warranty repair, as I assume > > they'll claim its just wear a tear, not a manufacturing defect. > > > > Unfortunately I don't own a phillps head (crosshead) screwdriver,

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> a > > short one in my drill) so I can't open the wheel up and see for myself > what > > the problem is. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:agbtot$afu$[email hidden]... > > > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > > > > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but > within > > > the FF mechanism itself. > > > > > > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it > side > > to > > > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? A > > knocking > > > sound? > > > > > > Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and

chainsaw. > > > They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapidside-to-side > > > stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect typevibrations > > > (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. > > > Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their > > > implementation does not generally cause the rattles. > > > > > > This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), butit

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> > was > > > a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a > > > replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is a > > frickin > > > nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. > > > > > > Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing working > > within > > > it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the

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> > up? > > > > > > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering the > > same > > > problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. > That > > > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > > > > > What's your experience? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your time... > > > > > > Mark > > > Reading, UK > > > > > > > > > > > >

Tim Epstein wrote:

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> > Not only is my Momo noisy, but I think its dying :-( > > The gears sound like they are grating now (I've been using the wheel daily > for 6 months). Sometimes, the wheel will jam completely on half right lock, > and I have to shake it around to free it. The wheel is no longer smooth - > again on right lock it always grates and is requires considerable force. > There is something rattling around inside it as well... > > I really want to get the wheel fixed. Does anyone know a place (UK) that > repairs MOMOs? I won't even try to get a warranty repair, as I assume > they'll claim its just wear a tear, not a manufacturing defect.

Tim You take it right back to where you got it and demand a replacement! If they give you any shit let me know...I KNOW my rights, and yours. :) Phone them first, of course, and tell them what's wrong. They may offer a replacement as a matter of course. If it was PC World, then you're in luck. ;) Gerry

Tim Epstein wrote: > Unfortunately I don't own a phillps head (crosshead) screwdriver, (except a > short one in my drill) so I can't open the wheel up and see for myself what > the problem is. Tim, don't attempt any repair yourself, let the retailer either offer you a refund or a replacement. If they offer to send it 'away' to be repaired, decline the offer and demand a refund or replacement. We are lucky in the UK, we have really good consumer rights. If you know your rights and stick to your guns, the retailer will have no option but to comply. If they don't comply, threaten to take 'em to a small claims court. It will never get there because they will cave in, knowing full well they don't have a leg to stand on. Gerry

if the retailer doesnt want to fix it (which they didnt for mine, 1 month old...) ring Logi (0207 309 0126) and tell them the problem. they told me that if it is less than 12 months since it was bought, the retailer should sort it out, but as they werent for me, Logi said they would do it. should take 2-3 weeks they said (i only rang them yesterday, so i havent sent off my old one yet) "Mark Davison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:agbtot$afu$[email hidden]... > Mine rattles like a diesel. > > Around the centre theres probably <1mm play - not in the shaft but within > the FF mechanism itself. > > Just lightly place your fingers on the top of the wheel and shake it sideto > side - fast and gentle, now. Do you get that tiny bit of play? Aknocking

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> sound? > > Go to gaming options in control panel - try wooden bridge and chainsaw. > They are NOISY! Smoth FF effects are fine, it's the rapid side-to-side > stuff that causes problems. If a game uses road effect type vibrations > (NFS: PU, F12K2 demo), then it's unplayable - gotta switch them off. > Fortunately, 95% of my gaming revolves around Papy stuff and their > implementation does not generally cause the rattles. > > This thing is gorgeous otherwise (I don't use the pedals - ugh!), but it

was > a mail order item going back a couple of months now and getting a > replacement for something that might not even be an issue (and is africkin > nightmare to explaiin) will be difficult and cost money. > > Anyone else know what I'm talking about here? Is this thing workingwithin > it's designed parameters? Anyone figured out how to tighten the suckerup? > > I talked with one person via usenet who *appeared* to be suffering thesame

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> problem, had it replaced and found the new wheel was just as noisy. That > shut me up for a while, but I'm curious once again. > > What's your experience? > > Thanks in advance for your time... > > Mark > Reading, UK > >

Thanks for your advice, Gerry. I did get the wheel from PC World, so if I can find my receipt I'll take it back without opening it. Cheers, Tim "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tim Epstein wrote: > > > > Not only is my Momo noisy, but I think its dying :-( > > > > The gears sound like they are grating now (I've been using the wheeldaily > > for 6 months). Sometimes, the wheel will jam completely on half rightlock, > > and I have to shake it around to free it. The wheel is no longersmooth -

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> > again on right lock it always grates and is requires considerable force. > > There is something rattling around inside it as well... > > > > I really want to get the wheel fixed. Does anyone know a place (UK) that > > repairs MOMOs? I won't even try to get a warranty repair, as I assume > > they'll claim its just wear a tear, not a manufacturing defect. > > Tim > > You take it right back to where you got it and demand a replacement! If > they give you any shit let me know...I KNOW my rights, and yours. :) > > Phone them first, of course, and tell them what's wrong. They may offer > a replacement as a matter of course. > > If it was PC World, then you're in luck. ;) > > Gerry

Tim Epstein wrote: > > Thanks for your advice, Gerry. > > I did get the wheel from PC World, so if I can find my receipt I'll take it > back without opening it. Hi Tim -- Don't worry if you can't find the receipt, as the law only requires a 'proof of purchase'. Which can be a bank or credit card statement. Gerry

Thanks for all the advice I've recieved about my Momo. In the end I decided to buy a screwdriver and attack it myself. As suggested to me, the motor was very loose. One of the two screws had come out completely and was rattling around, and the 2nd was almost out. In addition, a piece of plastic had broken off the black plastic cowling around the gears, and had fallen into the gears, mangling the main, white plastic, gear wheel. I pulled everything apart, and started off the repair by twisting the mangled gear grooves back straight where possible, and carving new gear grooves with a sharp knife. I then oiled all the moving components and tightened every screew in the wheel. The repair on the gears worked, and the wheel is also now much quieter. The only noise is the usual whirring noise when the wheel is turned, however there is now no additional jack-hammer type rattling when the FF cuts in. The vibrations from FF are now silent. Hopefully the wheel should last me another year or so, as it is very well constructed. Pity it was never tightened properly when new. Cheers, Tim

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:40:58 +0100, "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The repair on the gears worked, and the wheel is also now much quieter. The >only noise is the usual whirring noise when the wheel is turned, however That whirring noise is normal afaik.. at least I have it too :) Andre