Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death.
From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than 500.
A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. Perhaps
we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of speech on an
ugly web board.
I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is
pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable.
R.I.P.
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Notable threadIs rec.autos.simulators dying?
ymenard noted RAS traffic had fallen from 12,000 posts a month in 2000 to under 500, and lamented moving to heavily moderated RSC. Others blamed ISPs dropping Usenet, flame wars and specific posters, while many argued that what remained was a sensible core and that the genre had become niche as PCs went mainstream. Old-timers recalled the group's busy days around NASCAR Racing and IndyCar Racing.
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ymenard wrote:
I suspect two causes: that a number of ISPs are shutting down
their NNTP servers, making free news a thing of the past, and the
flame wars that seems prevalent on this and many groups. (I'm not
saying htis group is as bad for flamewars as some others, but,
hey, you know it happens here.)
I look at the list of groups I'm subscribed to, and it shrinks
every year. I'm now down to five groups. One of them is moderated,
and two are extremely low volumn paddling groups. So there's
r.a.s. and a guitar-related group. The guitar group seems to do
pretty well at keeping things easy-going. Flames sputter out in no
time.
We get what we deserve, I guess.
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> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death. > > From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than 500. > A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. Perhaps > we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of speech on an > ugly web board. > > I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is > pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable. > > > R.I.P. >That's sad. I remember all the flame wars you used to get into back in
the IndyCar II days. LOL
What kind of stuff has been said here lately that you can't say on RSC?
ymenard wrote:
Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages
from that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and
causing many people to leave.
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> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death. > > From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than 500. > A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. Perhaps > we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of speech on an > ugly web board. > > I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is > pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable. > > > R.I.P."ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:TTa9g.7977$[email hidden]:
quality not quantity
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> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death. > > From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than > 500. A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. > Perhaps we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of > speech on an ugly web board. > > I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here > is pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. > Inevitable. > > > R.I.P.ymenard wrote:
Not sure it is so painful. What remains is generally a core of generally
sensible people that will respond quickly to a genuine request for info
and can give an educated insight into sim racing developments. Many of
the other forums is like trawling through treacle to find the relevant
bits and regardless of the moderation is full of fanboy vs hater posts.
There are just so many forums now. Taking LFS as an example RSC has
minimal activity on this now, with the official LFS forum as the
definitive place to go. We also have forums for most products - and
there are a lot of products now compared with the good old days of Papy
sim racers vs DGF :)
It is the fragmentation of sim racing that is taking its toll on RAS
IMHO. I am sure it will continue for some time yet though.
Cheers
Tony
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> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death. > > From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than 500. > A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. Perhaps > we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of speech on an > ugly web board. > > I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is > pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable.rex roland wrote:
> Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages
> from that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and
> causing many people to leave.
Well in the peak of 2000, when we had 12000 posts in one month Bruce was
compelled to write on July 23rd 2000
> In all the years that I have been posting to RAS I have never been so
> amazed at the behaviour of some as I have been over the past several
> days.snip
> I, for one, have nothing but contempt for the morals and behaviour of
> some who have posted here over the last week. I feel as if I've
> trodden in something rather nasty.
So maybe it is the lack of flame wars that has seen the demise in posts!
Not suggesting we want some, mind - I don't care about the number of posts.
Cheers
Tony
On 12 May 2006 19:50:32 -0700, Darryl wrote:
> I suspect two causes: that a number of ISPs are shutting down
> their NNTP servers, making free news a thing of the past, and the
Well, there's always Google News. Granted a web interface to USENET is a
pain in the rear, much like those pesky web forums, but it's still
better than nothing.
> We get what we deserve, I guess.
I don't think RAS is going to go away anytime soon. We have quite a list
of die-hard regulars who'll continue to lurk here.
All the best, Uwe
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http://groups.google.com/ Steve P
Uwe Schürkamp wrote:
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> On 12 May 2006 19:50:32 -0700, Darryl wrote: > > I suspect two causes: that a number of ISPs are shutting down > > their NNTP servers, making free news a thing of the past, and the > > Well, there's always Google News. Granted a web interface to USENET is a > pain in the rear, much like those pesky web forums, but it's still > better than nothing. > > > We get what we deserve, I guess. > > I don't think RAS is going to go away anytime soon. We have quite a list > of die-hard regulars who'll continue to lurk here. > > All the best, Uwe > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61Mitch killed r.a.s. a long time ago...
>"Tango" <[email hidden]> wrote
> quality not quantity
Erm... I've fast readed the threads for the past months, and I see the same
thing as ever. There was and will always be quality here.
Quantity ain't just here anymore. Time to move on...
"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Not sure it is so painful. What remains is generally a core of generally
> sensible people that will respond quickly to a genuine request for info
> and can give an educated insight into sim racing developments. Many of the
> other forums is like trawling through treacle to find the relevant bits
> and regardless of the moderation is full of fanboy vs hater posts.
Yeah "the other forums" being mostly rscnet, I agree with you that I don't
want to move on there. It's a (very) fragmented mess, there's no cohesion
at all. No soul. Other PC gaming newsgroups are worse, check out the
comp.sys.idm.pc.games.* hierarchy.
My own ISP (the national #1 Canadian ISP) is dropping their NNTP server at
the end of the month. Sad.
> the good old days of Papy sim racers vs DGF :)
I'm never sure whom actually won that :) I know that rasf1 vs. DGF
actually became a TKO by submission in the 8th round against David!
> It is the fragmentation of sim racing that is taking its toll on RAS IMHO.
> I am sure it will continue for some time yet though.
The rapid decay rate in the past year is for the most that, but there's
something else. The market for serious PC racing sims is not anymore a
mainstream market like it was back 5 years ago.
Yeah "the other forums" being mostly rscnet, I agree with you that I don't
want to move on there. It's a (very) fragmented mess, there's no cohesion
at all. No soul. Other PC *** newsgroups are worse, check out the
comp.sys.idm.pc.games.* hierarchy.
My own ISP (the national #1 Canadian ISP) is dropping their NNTP server at
the end of the month. Sad.
I'm never sure whom actually won that :) I know that rasf1 vs. DGF
actually became a TKO by submission in the 8th round against David!
The rapid decay rate in the past year is for the most that, but there's
something else. The market for serious PC racing sims is not anymore a
mainstream market like it was back 5 years ago.
"rex roland" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages from
> that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and
> causing many people to leave.
Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s.
history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact!
>"ski9600" <[email hidden]> wrote
> That's sad. I remember all the flame wars you used to get into back in
> the IndyCar II days. LOL
There was a well balanced mess of serious and non-serious posts, which all
helped the community of racing simulations fans.
> What kind of stuff has been said here lately that you can't say on RSC?
RSC is filled up with moderators, strict guidelines, "things you cannot
mention", sticky threads that are useless, internal wars that are hidden to
the public, cowardly attitude in front of developpers, etc...
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ymenard wrote:
> The rapid decay rate in the past year is for the most that, but there's
> something else. The market for serious PC racing sims is not anymore a
> mainstream market like it was back 5 years ago.
Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream
market?
I think there's enough neat stuff coming to spice it up again, but it will
be a while.
-Larry
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> Well it looks like this is a slow and painfull death. > > From the 12,000 posts per month in 2000, we're now to almost less than > 500. A thread or two per day if we exclude non-related cross-postings. > Perhaps we shall all move on to rscnet, and sacrifice our freedom of > speech on an ugly web board. > > I've seen my share of Usenet newsgroup death, and the decay rate here is > pretty much in the same pattern as all those previous ones. Inevitable. > > > R.I.P. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >ymenard wrote:
"ymenard, the mentally retarded poster of RAS" Hmmm.... =)
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> "rex roland" <[email hidden]> wrote > >>Look at the date messages took a plunge and then look at the messages from >>that date. You will see someone named Mitch stirring up trouble and >>causing many people to leave. > > > > Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s. > history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact! > >>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote
>I think there's enough neat stuff coming to spice it up again, but it will
>be a while.
Yes yes we saw the incredible numbers of PC racing sim developpers showing
off their upcoming release at E3.
Oh wait there was none.
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><[email hidden]> wrote
> Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream
> market?
Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time).
Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
time).
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>"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> Stirring up trouble doesn't seem to have affected much of the r.a.s.
>> history. Trust *me*, I know that for a fact!
>
> "ymenard, the mentally retarded poster of RAS" Hmmm.... =)
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Yes, like any police force, it ends up amounting to a bunch of silly
bitches interested only in cutting everyones balls off and making it
impossible to set and maintain any standards. No room for any characters at
all and a place with no character other than that of a bunch of pooftas or
softcocks at best.
As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact
that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at
all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make
usenet access free to their citizens.
I'd also say that Papy's/Kaemer's absense is related. rFactor is
probably a little to chaotic for most peoples liking - hunting down tracks
and cars.
Papy = install and go
rFactor = install and join the endless search/wait for this and that
Not much else worthy of mention other than that all else contribute
further to the thinning/spreading out of simmers and simming in general and
amounting to more chaos.
We need a governing body and centralisation that deliver "WORLD" series!
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> >"ski9600" <[email hidden]> wrote >> That's sad. I remember all the flame wars you used to get into back in >> the IndyCar II days. LOL > > There was a well balanced mess of serious and non-serious posts, which all > helped the community of racing simulations fans. > > >> What kind of stuff has been said here lately that you can't say on RSC? > > RSC is filled up with moderators, strict guidelines, "things you cannot > mention", sticky threads that are useless, internal wars that are hidden > to the public, cowardly attitude in front of developpers, etc... >[email hidden] (ymenard) wrote:
> Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
> time). Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly
> sellers at one time).
All part of the "democratisation" of PC-use... or perhaps technology
use. Until the late 90's PCs were still mainly for enthusiasts, and such
a serious hobby meant "serious" sims were very popular because they
appeal to the same kind of mindset.
Now PCs are like toasters, everyone has one. So the interests of PC
gamers are more mainstream and less serious. But now consoles are
increasingly claiming such people, so PC gaming will naturally shrink
back towards its serious core of (nerdy :-) users.
Andrew McP
> Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time).
> Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one
> time).
That was back when PC gaming wasn't mainstream.
> Yes yes we saw the incredible numbers of PC racing sim developpers showing
> off their upcoming release at E3.
Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360 version.
Byron Forbes wrote:
> We need a governing body and centralisation that deliver "WORLD" series!
I think you are right although previous attempts (FILSCA) haven't
exactly met with universal approval.
Of course we will have iRacing who stated in their original aims:
"...FIRST-Racing.net will deliver the next step. And, that next step
will incorporate new technology to heighten the realism as well as a
sanctioning body to launch a truly global online sport."
Please ignore the fact they started a sentence with a conjunction as
this post could go so OT as to muck up ymenard's stats for the
predicting the end of the world :)
Cheers
Tony
In article <4466c4de$0$17541$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>, [email hidden] says...
<snip>
> As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact
> that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at
> all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make
> usenet access free to their citizens.
>
Let's hope that isn't a trend. If ISPs start to give up on the idea of
newsgroups then Google/Groups is won't be the 'Oracle' of information
that it is nowadays. The amount of times that has provided me with the
info I require and saved the day I couldn't estimate. With no default
NGs (which I presume would only leave subscription services), then the
amount of information available to search is going to be reduced
severely.
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Yeah, I think a world-wide racing sim block buster would fuel things in
here. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
The competition is fiercer than back in the heyday of Indycar II and
GP2, and GPL a bit later, so we simply won't see one single product to
create a "reborn" attitude in here.
Back then things went around without intervention, since the enthousiasm
and energy levels were so high due to the quantum leaps made in the sim
dept. at that time. These days, racing sims are a matter of personal
taste and feeling, you can't find another 2 secs per lap by tweaking
your setup in absurdum, so nobody to flame there, no obvious flaws to
exploit, no chances to cheat your way into a sim.
And we all got 10 years older since GPL, some of us have other stuff to
do, or more correctly, we prioritize differently.
The thing is: RAS will never be the same, but that is ok, since times
change, we change, racing sims change.
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On 14.05.2006 07:02, ymenard wrote:
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>><[email hidden]> wrote >>Where do you get the idea PC racing simulations was ever a mainstream >>market? > > > > Sales of Papy sims (they were in the top 10 yearly sellers at one time). > Sales of Geoff Crammond sims (also in the top 10 yearly sellers at one > time). > > > > > >Peter wrote:
Comcast has just about forced you to pay for NG access... They give you
2 GB usage per month. I didnt even bother signing up for limited access.
I actually pay a company to read/post in this newsgroup in addition to
giving me access to unrestriced USENET areas. So it is just a matter of
time before most ISP drop USENET access for free
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> In article <4466c4de$0$17541$61c65585@un-2park-reader- > 01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au>, [email hidden] says... > > <snip> > >> As far as things being quiet around here goes, I'd agree with the fact >> that ISPs are tending to not supply access to usenet as standard - if at >> all! A failing of government if you ask me - all governments should make >> usenet access free to their citizens. >> > > Let's hope that isn't a trend. If ISPs start to give up on the idea of > newsgroups then Google/Groups is won't be the 'Oracle' of information > that it is nowadays. The amount of times that has provided me with the > info I require and saved the day I couldn't estimate. With no default > NGs (which I presume would only leave subscription services), then the > amount of information available to search is going to be reduced > severely. > >
"Asgeir Nesoen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There are a lot of us that have been here since the first NASCAR Racing from
Papy. I was already in my 40s..........jeese.......you have to bring that
up..........:-)
Ed
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> Yeah, I think a world-wide racing sim block buster would fuel things in > here. But we all know that isn't going to happen. > > The competition is fiercer than back in the heyday of Indycar II and GP2, > and GPL a bit later, so we simply won't see one single product to create a > "reborn" attitude in here. > > Back then things went around without intervention, since the enthousiasm > and energy levels were so high due to the quantum leaps made in the sim > dept. at that time. These days, racing sims are a matter of personal taste > and feeling, you can't find another 2 secs per lap by tweaking your setup > in absurdum, so nobody to flame there, no obvious flaws to exploit, no > chances to cheat your way into a sim. > > And we all got 10 years older since GPL, some of us have other stuff to > do, or more correctly, we prioritize differently. > > The thing is: RAS will never be the same, but that is ok, since times > change, we change, racing sims change. >"Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360
> version.
>
GTR2 trailer... is that like the RL bus?
Did this NG exist in 94' when Nascar 1 hit the shelves? My first visit was
April 96' and I didnt think it had been around very long at that point.
Mitch
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> > There are a lot of us that have been here since the first NASCAR Racing > from Papy. I was already in my 40s..........jeese.......you have to bring > that up..........:-) > > Ed >>> Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360
>> version.
>>
>
> GTR2 trailer... is that like the RL bus?
You mean to say you've never seen a 'trailer' for a game or movie? Does
'preview clip' sound better for you? AFAIK, GTR2 is released next month
(Hopefully not 6 months after the German release) >:-(
"Mitch A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Did this NG exist in 94' when Nascar 1 hit the shelves? My first visit
> was April 96' and I didnt think it had been around very long at that
> point.
>
> Mitch
>It was here when I first got the first Nascar Racing by Papy. I would say
late '94-early '95. It became an extremely busy ng very quickly. Indy Racing
came along soon after and a lot of mods, carsets and tracks soon followed.
The first online racing I did was Hawaii. Forget exactly when that started.
It was just a bit expensive for me at the time.
Ed
On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:13:19 +1000, "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
Steve, I think Pierre meant this:
http://www.racing-legends.com/images/lotus_team_transporter.jpg
Cheers!
Remco
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>>> Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360 >>> version. >>> >> >> GTR2 trailer... is that like the RL bus? > >You mean to say you've never seen a 'trailer' for a game or movie? Does >'preview clip' sound better for you? AFAIK, GTR2 is released next month >(Hopefully not 6 months after the German release) >:-( >Not what I'm talking about :)
-Larry
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> >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote >>I think there's enough neat stuff coming to spice it up again, but it will >>be a while. > > > > Yes yes we saw the incredible numbers of PC racing sim developpers showing > off their upcoming release at E3. > > > Oh wait there was none. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > >Listen Trekkie... shouldn't you be our riding your bike looking for
"Dickie Kamschapt" driving that public bus! ;)
>
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> Listen Trekkie... shouldn't you be our riding your bike looking for > "Dickie Kamschapt" driving that public bus! ;) > > > >> >> Amish bankers should be excluded from the Internet ! > > > > -- > Scott B. Husted� > http://www.Husted.cc > ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted > MSM - [email hidden] | Google Talk - [email hidden]On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:13:19 +1000, Steve Simpson wrote:
>
> You mean to say you've never seen a 'trailer' for a game or movie? Does
> 'preview clip' sound better for you? AFAIK, GTR2 is released next month
> (Hopefully not 6 months after the German release) >:-(
Hopefully, it doesn't turn out to be a "regionally limited beta test"
that GTR 1.0 was ;)
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> I miss the idiocy of general.discussion...how are you two connecting? > > Dave > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>Listen Trekkie... shouldn't you be our riding your bike looking for >>"Dickie Kamschapt" driving that public bus! ;) >> >> >> >> >>>Amish bankers should be excluded from the Internet ! >> >> >> >>-- >>Scott B. Husted� >>http://www.Husted.cc >>ICQ# - 4395450 | AIM - Hylander12871 | Yahoo - sbhusted >>MSM - [email hidden] | Google Talk - [email hidden] > > >Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Does
>>'preview clip' sound better for you? AFAIK, GTR2 is released next month
I guess it was a pathetic attempt at humour, I'll go back
to lurking now...
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> On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:13:19 +1000, "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>>> Actually the GTR 2 trailer was shown at E3. Both PC and Xbox 360 >>>> version. >>>> >>> >>> GTR2 trailer... is that like the RL bus? >> >>You mean to say you've never seen a 'trailer' for a game or movie?Quoted text (13 lines)
>>(Hopefully not 6 months after the German release) >:-( >> > > Steve, I think Pierre meant this: > > http://www.racing-legends.com/images/lotus_team_transporter.jpg > > > Cheers! > > > Remco >Pierre Robitaille wrote:
> I guess it was a pathetic attempt at humour, I'll go back
> to lurking now...
FWIW I chuckled Pierre :)
Cheers
Tony
Thanks Scott...
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