RASCAR - Next Week - Sears Point ?

I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? This aughta be interesting... :) -Larry

Hopefully yellows are off? "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]...

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> I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > This aughta be interesting... :) > > -Larry > >

Yep, yellows should be off :-) Achim "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]...

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> I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > This aughta be interesting... :) > > -Larry > >

In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > >This aughta be interesting... :) Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap there, so it doesn't matter to me...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > > >This aughta be interesting... :) > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap

there, > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > Eldred > -- Errr... ahhhhh... ummm... <cough>, of course. I mean, it would only be fair to those who want to turn right, too... right? Brian (hoping no one wants to, but knowing better... <sigh>)

"EldredP" wrote... > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't > even complete a lap there, so it doesn't matter to > me...<g> Why not... it's just another track. Nothing to be scared off. Jan. =---

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> > Sure, Road Circuits go! > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? > ...

Just remember folks, this guy actually enjoys racing at Monaco.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <w9oP8.36678$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"EldredP" wrote... >> >> Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't >> even complete a lap there, so it doesn't matter to >> me...<g> > >Why not... it's just another track. Nothing to be scared off.

I didn't say I was scared, just that I can't DRIVE it. Big difference...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I say skip it. We already did it once anyway. To be blunt, the NASCAR cars handle like shit there. It's like forcing a square peg into a round hole. What's the point? David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > > >This aughta be interesting... :) > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap

there, > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Guess he should be the one thats scared. (-: > I didn't say I was scared, just that I can't DRIVE it. Bigdifference...<g> -- Michael K. Grandy "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <w9oP8.36678$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >"EldredP" wrote... > >> > >> Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't > >> even complete a lap there, so it doesn't matter to > >> me...<g> > > > >Why not... it's just another track. Nothing to be scared off. > > I didn't say I was scared, just that I can't DRIVE it. Big difference...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lapthere, > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > Eldred As an aside - now that Silverstone can be converted from GPL to N2002, what are the chances of running there sometime? (Or anywhere else converted from GPL in the future?)

Sure, Road Circuits go! "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > Do you guys really want to run Sears again?...

If you're really asking, NO. Let's not run Sears Point :) I'm not sure that would be an enjoyable experience for us, considering what we're trying to get out of this... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > > >This aughta be interesting... :) > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap

there, > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Larry wrote: > > If you're really asking, NO. Let's not run Sears Point :) > > I'm not sure that would be an enjoyable experience for us, considering what > we're trying to get out of this... I'm a road course nutter, I despise the current Sears Point layout, its utter crap for N2002 cars, there's no "flow" to the track now, all you seem to do is wrestle with the car all the time Oh well, I don't have time to race either way Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

I vote Run Sears :) "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > > > If you're really asking, NO. Let's not run Sears Point :) > > > > I'm not sure that would be an enjoyable experience for us, consideringwhat

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> > we're trying to get out of this... > > I'm a road course nutter, I despise the current Sears Point layout, its > utter crap for N2002 cars, there's no "flow" to the track now, all you > seem to do is wrestle with the car all the time > > Oh well, I don't have time to race either way > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

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> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > > >This aughta be interesting... :) > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap there, > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > Eldred >

I think we should stick to the cup schedule. Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's not gonna be any fun... -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

It's not that it's hard. The NASCAR cars handle like boats in mud on that track, and clearly aren't designed for road course racing. It's slow and tedious at SP. Not hard. Also, as I mentioned to Eldred in another thread, if we follow the real cup schedule, we are soon going to repeat tracks we've just recently run, some for the third time while there are others that we haven't run yet. We've even run SP already. David G Fisher Johnn Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? > > > > > >This aughta be interesting... :) > > > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap

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> > so it doesn't matter to me...<g> > > > > Eldred > > > > I think we should stick to the cup schedule. Just because it's hard > doesn't mean it's not gonna be any fun... > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I seem to do better at the road courses with the outside view. I tried it sittin in the car and i cant even complete 2 laps.

"David G Fisher" wrote... > It's not that it's hard. The NASCAR cars handle like > boats in mud on that track, and clearly aren't > designed for road course racing. It's slow and > tedious at SP. Not hard. While I agree the default setups are not brilliant (I like the intermediate setup best, actually), the cars themselves are not that bad at this track. It takes a bit of adjusting from the usual roadcourse style (car doesn't respond as quick as a single seater), but once you start "going with the flow" as it were, they're pretty satisfying to drive at Sears Point, IMO. > Also, as I mentioned to Eldred in another thread, if > we follow the real cup schedule, we are soon going to > repeat tracks we've just recently run, some for the > third time while there are others that we haven't run > yet. We've even run SP already. True, on the other hand, might be good to try and gel as a group on known ground. Jan. =---

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> > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Sure, Road Circuits go! > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > ... > > > Do you guys really want to run Sears again? > > ... > > Just remember folks, this guy actually enjoys racing at Monaco.... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

In article <jaqP8.2003$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >I say skip it. We already did it once anyway. To be blunt, the NASCAR cars >handle like shit there. It's like forcing a square peg into a round hole. >What's the point? They handle like shit *everywhere*...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap >there, >> so it doesn't matter to me...<g> >> >> Eldred > >As an aside - now that Silverstone can be converted from GPL to N2002, what >are the chances of running there sometime? (Or anywhere else converted from >GPL in the future?)

I'd say it's *possible*, but it's not high on my list... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Nonsense, Sears swings - and rocks ;-) Achim "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > I'm a road course nutter, I despise the current Sears Point layout, its > utter crap for N2002 cars, there's no "flow" to the track now, all you > seem to do is wrestle with the car all the time > > Oh well, I don't have time to race either way

On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:10:02 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? >> > >> >This aughta be interesting... :) >> >> Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap there, >> so it doesn't matter to me...<g> >> >> Eldred >> > >I think we should stick to the cup schedule. Just because it's hard >doesn't mean it's not gonna be any fun...

I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left foot... :) Brian Oster

In article <aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Nonsense, Sears ... rocks ;-) I think you misspelled "sucks"...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes

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>On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:10:02 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, >>[email hidden] says... >>> In article <OGcP8.43205$[email hidden]>, "Larry" >>> <[email hidden]> writes: >>> >>> >I just want to verify that Sears Point is the track for next week ??? >>> > >>> >This aughta be interesting... :) >>> >>> Do you guys really want to run Sears again? I can't even complete a lap >there, >>> so it doesn't matter to me...<g> >>> >>> Eldred >>> >> >>I think we should stick to the cup schedule. Just because it's hard >>doesn't mean it's not gonna be any fun... > > >I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left >foot... :) >

And not blow the tyres. :) I gravitated from GPL and had expected, after giving the old AI a good tonking on the ovals, that SP was going to be my Piece de resistance, or somesuch. Anyway, I couldn't even get under 1:24 whilst the AI were cruising around in the 1:21's. It really does take so much more practice to understand how to go fast on this track. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes:

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>I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left >foot... :) >

There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run Sears Point - 40%, no yellows. Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > And not blow the tyres. :) > > I gravitated from GPL and had expected, after giving the > old AI a good tonking on the ovals, that SP was going to > be my Piece de resistance, or somesuch. Anyway, I > couldn't even get under 1:24 whilst the AI were cruising > around in the 1:21's. It really does take so much more > practice to understand how to go fast on this track.

Resist the urge to go deep into the slower turns... let it flow Peter. Guy like you should do 1m22's without braking a sweat. Jan. =---

"EldredP" wrote... > > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we > run Sears Point - 40%, no yellows. > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) Sweet!! Jan. ;-) =---

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > Nonsense, Sears swings - and rocks ;-) That it does .... constantly Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Nonsense, Sears ... rocks ;-) > > I think you misspelled "sucks"...<g>

LOL, indeed Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

What's "go deep"? /Carl

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> Resist the urge to go deep into the slower turns... let it flow Peter. Guy > like you should do 1m22's without braking a sweat. > > Jan. > =--- > >

Carl Ribbegaardh wrote: > > What's "go deep"? Braking late, NR2002 doesn't seem to reward late brakers, and I'm having a hell of a time trying unlearn that habit myself as I prefer to brake very late and stay on the brakes for the first part of the turn in, not only do I have to "relearn how to drive", I have to revise my setups as well Oh well, it could have been worse, NR2002 could have been a crappy sim :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Ok, thanks. Interesting news... I was just practising New Hampshire, and I realised that I went just as fast breaking earlier, saving the tires. Since you have done the same conclusion, I feel strengthened in my belief that I should try to run smoother, rather than push. This sim is just soo dam good... I cannot get myself to drive F1-2002. I bought it some week ago, but it feels so 'arcadish' compared to N2002, so it just gathers dust... Then I've tried to spend time with GPL, but the tyrenoise is soo tiresome. N2002 is _the_ sim right now. /Carl "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Carl Ribbegaardh wrote: > > > > What's "go deep"? > > Braking late, NR2002 doesn't seem to reward late brakers, and I'm having > a hell of a time trying unlearn that habit myself as I prefer to brake > very late and stay on the brakes for the first part of the turn in, not > only do I have to "relearn how to drive", I have to revise my setups as > well > > Oh well, it could have been worse, NR2002 could have been a crappy sim > :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Nick" > <[email hidden]> writes: > >As an aside - now that Silverstone can be converted from GPL to N2002,what > >are the chances of running there sometime? (Or anywhere else convertedfrom > >GPL in the future?) > > > I'd say it's *possible*, but it's not high on my list... :-) Just a thought, not really a heartfelt request. But it would be nice to kind of integrate the GPL and N2002 communities a little more. After all, until recently, I wouldn't buy N2002 because it was NASCAR and I thought the physics were going to waste. One bargain-bin later and I realise just how much the physics have advanced since GPL. Maybe something like running GPL tracks in N2002 would convert more simmers? Just a thought. Nick.

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Braking late, NR2002 doesn't seem to reward late brakers, and I'm having > a hell of a time trying unlearn that habit myself as I prefer to brake > very late and stay on the brakes for the first part of the turn in, not > only do I have to "relearn how to drive", I have to revise my setups as > well It's one thing to remember in real racing too. Late-braking seems fast, but you only spend like <10% of your lap on the brakes, so the gain in time is minimal when compared to the risk. Going in to turns steadily gives a better line through the corner, and makes you faster out of the corner (and along the following straights) so it is much more of a benefit. Damn hard to force yourself to brake early tho, it just seems wrong.

I can't _see_ anything. Everything is blind, and by the time you see it it has already kicked you in the ass, stolen your wallet, and left you for Road Pizza. A very progressive track :) -Larry "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Larry wrote: > > > > If you're really asking, NO. Let's not run Sears Point :) > > > > I'm not sure that would be an enjoyable experience for us, consideringwhat

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> > we're trying to get out of this... > > I'm a road course nutter, I despise the current Sears Point layout, its > utter crap for N2002 cars, there's no "flow" to the track now, all you > seem to do is wrestle with the car all the time > > Oh well, I don't have time to race either way > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

My main concern? Getting hit in the ass-end. Or hitting someone else in the ass-end. I absolutely guarantee that this will be the #1 issue if we race this track. Ass-ending... I think we all need to make a pact that whatever happens during this race, it will be forgiven upon it's completion. We may even want to bar it's discussion in RAS after it's run :) What was that CCR said? "There's a bad moon on the rise" :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iQBP8.37381$[email hidden]...

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> "Peter Ives" wrote... > > > > And not blow the tyres. :) > > > > I gravitated from GPL and had expected, after giving the > > old AI a good tonking on the ovals, that SP was going to > > be my Piece de resistance, or somesuch. Anyway, I > > couldn't even get under 1:24 whilst the AI were cruising > > around in the 1:21's. It really does take so much more > > practice to understand how to go fast on this track. > > Resist the urge to go deep into the slower turns... let it flow Peter. Guy > like you should do 1m22's without braking a sweat. > > Jan. > =--- > >

"Forgive me for the havoc I will strive to avoid, but are destined to fuel" (LTB-Racer - June 18, 2002) -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > >I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my > >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always > >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows > >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision > >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of > >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left > >foot... :) > > > > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run Sears

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> 40%, no yellows. > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I would NEVER ask this question about an Oval, but... Are we allowed to use assists at road courses? I.E. Traction Control/Braking Assistance ? I'm not sure what the rules are regarding this... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > >I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my > >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always > >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows > >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision > >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of > >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left > >foot... :) > > > > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run Sears

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> 40%, no yellows. > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research.

The > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my > webpage. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

hehe, that's a good one :-) Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <aeljve$7f7f6$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Nonsense, Sears ... rocks ;-) > > I think you misspelled "sucks"...<g>...

hehe, that's a good one :-) Achim > >Nonsense, Sears ... rocks ;-) > I think you misspelled "sucks"...<g> ...

lol, that contageous enthusiasm! :-) Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run SearsPoint - > 40%, no yellows. > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-)...

Why would you want to use em Larry? I would think it would be more of a hindrance than help. I would say you are better off just learning the track. Take her slow, this track surely fits the saying "slow down to speed up". Mitch "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ABLP8.53627$[email hidden]...

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> I would NEVER ask this question about an Oval, but... > > Are we allowed to use assists at road courses? I.E. Traction > Control/Braking Assistance ? > > I'm not sure what the rules are regarding this... > > -Larry > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > > > >I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my > > >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always > > >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the yellows > > >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make the decision > > >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of > > >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left > > >foot... :) > > > > > > > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run Sears > Point - > > 40%, no yellows. > > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > The > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on

my > > webpage. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

There's not enough time. I can race without them, and the point isn't improving one's position. Not at all. There isn't an assist that's been created (short of a rail system) that will give me a chance at running near the top at this track. The question is if it will help _everyone_ run a safer race, and possibly help in preventing the people who can run this track fast do it with less fear of getting run over by someone losing forward bite and spinning out in front of them. Like I said. I can run without them. It's just a basic question. -Larry "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BOLP8.870$[email hidden]... > Why would you want to use em Larry? I would think it would be more of a > hindrance than help. I would say you are better off just learning the > track. Take her slow, this track surely fits the saying "slow down tospeed

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> up". > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ABLP8.53627$[email hidden]... > > I would NEVER ask this question about an Oval, but... > > > > Are we allowed to use assists at road courses? I.E. Traction > > Control/Braking Assistance ? > > > > I'm not sure what the rules are regarding this... > > > > -Larry > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, Brian Oster > > > <bgoster@swbell**nosmap**.com> writes: > > > > > > >I agree. I REALLY suck at the road courses and Sears Point is my > > > >least favorite track but I have to vote to run it. There will always > > > >be tracks that some people hate and others like. Turn off the

yellows > > > >for this one though. If we are going to run it lets make thedecision

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> > > >soon because I will need a lot more than my usual 15-30 min of > > > >off-line practice. Takes a while to remember how to use my left > > > >foot... :) > > > > > > > > > > There seem to be only 1 or 2 dissenting opinions. So, we run Sears > > Point - > > > 40%, no yellows. > > > Ugh - I can hardly wait... :-) > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. > > The > > > walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on > my > > > webpage. > > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > >

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> > Ok, thanks. > Interesting news... > I was just practising New Hampshire, and I realised that I went just as fast > breaking earlier, saving the tires. Since you have done the same conclusion, > I feel strengthened in my belief that I should try to run smoother, rather > than push.

Just one little comment, I'm talking about road courses here, not ovals, never ever take advice from me on the ovals :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> There's not enough time. > > I can race without them, and the point isn't improving > one's position. Not at all. There isn't an assist > that's been created (short of a rail system) that will > give me a chance at running near the top at this track. > > The question is if it will help _everyone_ run a safer > race, and possibly help in preventing the people who > can run this track fast do it with less fear of getting > run over by someone losing forward bite and spinning > out in front of them. > > Like I said. I can run without them. It's just a > basic question.

Don't know about driving aids, but I would suggest setting the steering ratio to 16:1. That helps a lot, IMO. Jan. =---

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>"Peter Ives" wrote... >> >> And not blow the tyres. :) >> >> I gravitated from GPL and had expected, after giving the >> old AI a good tonking on the ovals, that SP was going to >> be my Piece de resistance, or somesuch. Anyway, I >> couldn't even get under 1:24 whilst the AI were cruising >> around in the 1:21's. It really does take so much more >> practice to understand how to go fast on this track. > >Resist the urge to go deep into the slower turns... let it flow Peter. Guy >like you should do 1m22's without braking a sweat. >

Cheers Jan, I will give it a try. Admittedly, I was so taken aback by being so far off the pace that I did some practice laps their - the only track I've bothered practising on, I normally just run Championships - and at least managed some low 1:23's, I think. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying via email If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Braking late, NR2002 doesn't seem to reward late brakers, and I'm having > > a hell of a time trying unlearn that habit myself as I prefer to brake > > very late and stay on the brakes for the first part of the turn in, not > > only do I have to "relearn how to drive", I have to revise my setups as > > well > > It's one thing to remember in real racing too. Late-braking seems fast, but > you only spend like <10% of your lap on the brakes, so the gain in time is > minimal when compared to the risk. Going in to turns steadily gives a better > line through the corner, and makes you faster out of the corner (and along > the following straights) so it is much more of a benefit. Damn hard to force > yourself to brake early tho, it just seems wrong.

Especially when the habit has served you well for at least 4 years of intense sim racing, my accomplishments before 98 is best kept a secret :-) I'm working on it though, and making some progress, it's just that I love late braking, gives you a feeling of actually "racing", and very useful for tricking people into mistakes so I can overtake them .... every now and then, despite what Mr Harris might think :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Another thing... Early braking makes it much easier to not make the screetch sound but just the scratching sound ;-) Saving tires can easily save you a pitstop. One pitstop less can mean one lap gain... Kinda nice to just let the hotlappers by, and then pass them while they change tires. Ending up 20 to 40 secs infront at the end of the race :-) (ok, now I'm talking normal _clean_ oval racing with almost no yellows) /Carl "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Braking late, NR2002 doesn't seem to reward late brakers, and I'm having > > a hell of a time trying unlearn that habit myself as I prefer to brake > > very late and stay on the brakes for the first part of the turn in, not > > only do I have to "relearn how to drive", I have to revise my setups as > > well > > It's one thing to remember in real racing too. Late-braking seems fast,

but > you only spend like <10% of your lap on the brakes, so the gain in time is > minimal when compared to the risk. Going in to turns steadily gives abetter > line through the corner, and makes you faster out of the corner (and along > the following straights) so it is much more of a benefit. Damn hard toforce > yourself to brake early tho, it just seems wrong. > >

In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >Especially when the habit has served you well for at least 4 years of >intense sim racing, my accomplishments before 98 is best kept a secret But people have been saying that late braking isn't the solution in GPL, either... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Especially when the habit has served you well for at least 4 years of > >intense sim racing, my accomplishments before 98 is best kept a secret > > But people have been saying that late braking isn't the solution in GPL, > either...

Ah, but I don't race GPL :-), the only driving I do in GPL is firing up the Eagle or Honda every once in a blue moon and doing a few laps at Zandy I admire GPL a lot, but the cars themselves are of little interest to me as I need doors and a roof, and if possible Bathurst But I do brake late in GPL as well, but not as late as I've been doing in N2/3/4/2002 or other sims due to the unstable nature of the GPL cars when braking during corner entry, never could find a decent setup for that, but then again I never really got into GPL so I'm not the right person to make a qualified statement about it Yes yes, I know you're all shocked now, "He doesn't race GPL !!!", well, the secret is out I guess :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:32:27 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ah, but I don't race GPL :-) WHAT? Andre

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> > >Especially when the habit has served you well for at least 4 years of > >intense sim racing, my accomplishments before 98 is best kept a secret > > But people have been saying that late braking isn't the solution in GPL, > either... > > Eldred

Eldred, Goy and the other old hands in the TPTCC leagues have always claimed the 'slow in fast out' approach was the best way to go fast. Of course when I tried that, I got punted from behind by the AI that Goy helped create. dave henrie

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Eldred, Goy and the other old hands in the TPTCC leagues have always > claimed the 'slow in fast out' approach was the best way to go fast. Of > course when I tried that, I got punted from behind by the AI that Goy helped > create. > dave henrie ROFL Sorry about that Dave :-), I know the slow in fast out approach is the "correct" one, doesn't mean I'm actually following it myself, I managed to get late braking to work reasonably well for me in the older sims, and now I'm paying for it by having to relearn how to drive Feel better now ? :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > Eldred, Goy and the other old hands in the TPTCC leagues have always > > claimed the 'slow in fast out' approach was the best way to go fast. Of > > course when I tried that, I got punted from behind by the AI that Goy

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> > create. > > dave henrie > > ROFL > > Sorry about that Dave :-), I know the slow in fast out approach is the > "correct" one, doesn't mean I'm actually following it myself, I managed > to get late braking to work reasonably well for me in the older sims, > and now I'm paying for it by having to relearn how to drive > > Feel better now ? :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

After the misreable performance I put in last night with the TPTCC DTM league???? NO! dh

That's the problem with the slow-in, fast out approach. You get punted time and time again because people aren't paying attention behind you, or they are just to close to react in time. -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WAvQ8.24097$EP.1031@sccrnsc03...

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> > "EldredP" > > > > >Especially when the habit has served you well for at least 4 years of > > >intense sim racing, my accomplishments before 98 is best kept a secret > > > > But people have been saying that late braking isn't the solution in GPL, > > either... > > > > Eldred > > Eldred, Goy and the other old hands in the TPTCC leagues have always > claimed the 'slow in fast out' approach was the best way to go fast. Of > course when I tried that, I got punted from behind by the AI that Goy

helped > create. > dave henrie > > >

It's actuially smarter to start slowing earlier than you normally would if you're behind someone. You'll stand a better chance of getting by them the next time they screw up. In article <CgIQ8.61414$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > That's the problem with the slow-in, fast out approach. You get punted time > and time again because people aren't paying attention behind you, or they > are just to close to react in time. > -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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