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GP4 screenshots and doubts about magazine reviews
New GP4 screenshots and PC Gamer UK's 92% score drew mockery and accusations that magazine reviewers favoured Geoff Crammond. Posters said they trusted RAS over print reviews. Reviewer Randy Magruder later joined to mention his IGN reviews of F1 2002 and Le Mans 24 Hours and clarified a remark about Gran Turismo.
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"Alessandro Pollini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> 20 new screenshots for GP4
"il voto e' 92%
"Gps-created tracks are a leap in realism"
"Brings you a step closer to what you see on TV"
"Drivers will react to the pressure you put on them"
"The most accomplished F1 simulation yet made"
"Consummately executed and ultra-realistic driving experience. Another
masterpiece" "
What the HELL is wrong with PC Gamer? To rank GP4 so very highly is bad
enough -but to rate it some 12% higher than F12002 is just shocking.
DOug
"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Gps-created tracks are a leap in realism"
Yes, Harriers standing next to the track at silverstone.
> "Brings you a step closer to what you see on TV"
Maybe if i play OutRun on my sega megadrive on the tv.
Ok, it doesnt look that bad, until you notice Processor Occupacy 3042%
> "The most accomplished F1 simulation yet made"
This is something left from the revs-readme, right?
> "Consummately executed and ultra-realistic driving experience. Another
> masterpiece" "
Yes. Its the best Scaletrix-simulation out right now.
Dont forget the futureproof multiplayer too. Lol :)
> Dont forget the futureproof multiplayer too. Lol :)
LMFAO
It's microsoft train sim with tarmac
DOug
"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What the HELL is wrong with PC Gamer? To rank GP4 so very highly is bad
> enough -but to rate it some 12% higher than F12002 is just shocking.
PC Gamer UK? Was it reviewed by Trevor Witt? If so, then you can just rip
that review right out of your magazine coz he is Geoff Crammond's number 1
fan. I used to subscribe, but I got a little pissed off with the magazine
and dumped it. It is a fantastic game of Formula One to drive with the
keyboard, but it is not a sim. If they gave it +90% for being a great game
then that is fine by me, but giving it +90% for a simulation is just damned
wrong. They keep calling the simulation aspect 'anal' (because they think it
is massively detailed), when 'anal' should just be translated as 'arse'.
Their GPL review compared GP2 and GPL (ROFL!). NASCAR 1&2 got decent
reviews, then NASCAR 3 got about 20% ('all you do is turn left' was
basically the review). N4 onwards didn't even get reviewed to my knowledge
(although I got a N4 demo on a coverdisc).
"Nick" <[email hidden]> writes:
is that the guy that once (not that long ago either) claimed a
keyboard was the ultimate car-controller, and that steering wheels for
our computers were just a load of bollocks that would make you slower?
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> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aea0k8$59nda$[email hidden]... > > What the HELL is wrong with PC Gamer? To rank GP4 so very highly is bad > > enough -but to rate it some 12% higher than F12002 is just shocking. > > PC Gamer UK? Was it reviewed by Trevor Witt? If so, then you can just rip > that review right out of your magazine coz he is Geoff Crammond's number 1 > fan."Nick" wrote...
> <snip>
> PC Gamer UK? Was it reviewed by Trevor Witt?
> <snip>
I noticed a couple of big sell-outs in PC Gamer (that's right, I do mean a
publisher buying a good review in the magazine through an exclusive deal or
reserving lots of advertising space), but the last straw was the GP3 review.
Just laughable. Haven't bought a single issue since.
PC Zone is also losing it's grip on racing simulation reviews a bit, IMO
(Steve Hill is a nice guy, but he just doesn't seem to get Nascar <g>), but
they do appear to be more independant.
I think we've stumbled onto an interesting side track here... how does the
group regard magazine (or even web reviews for that matter) with reference
to believability and perceived skill level of the reviewers?
Jan.
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"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> reserving lots of advertising space), but the last straw was the GP3review.
> Just laughable. Haven't bought a single issue since.
>
> PC Zone is also losing it's grip on racing simulation reviews a bit, IMO
> (Steve Hill is a nice guy, but he just doesn't seem to get Nascar <g>),but
Fwiw, I don't hardly even read them. To many politics/biases usually
involved. If something sounds interesting, I get it and try it out. Can
always get rid of it if it's a dog.
John
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> "Nick" wrote... > > <snip> > > PC Gamer UK? Was it reviewed by Trevor Witt? > > <snip> > > I noticed a couple of big sell-outs in PC Gamer (that's right, I do mean a > publisher buying a good review in the magazine through an exclusive dealQuoted text (8 lines)
> they do appear to be more independant. > > I think we've stumbled onto an interesting side track here... how does the > group regard magazine (or even web reviews for that matter) with reference > to believability and perceived skill level of the reviewers? > > Jan. > =---well it is quite understandable
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experience. Another
> masterpiece" "
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> What the HELL is wrong with PC Gamer? To rank GP4so very highly is bad
> enough -but to rate it some 12% higher than F12002 isjust shocking.
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> DOug
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> news:[email hidden]... > > 20 new screenshots for GP4 > > "il voto e' 92% > > "Gps-created tracks are a leap in realism" > "Brings you a step closer to what you see on TV" > "Drivers will react to the pressure you put on them" > "The most accomplished F1 simulation yet made" > "Consummately executed and ultra-realistic driving>"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I think we've stumbled onto an interesting side track here... how does the
> group regard magazine (or even web reviews for that matter) with reference
> to believability and perceived skill level of the reviewers?
Unless it's by Randy Magruder (and I don't think he writes anymore), they
are useless for me except to give me a far and large warning of the pro's
and con's.
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Unless it's by Randy Magruder (and I don't think he writes anymore), they
> are useless for me except to give me a far and large warning of the pro's
> and con's.
Isn't he the guy that said GT3 is the best racing sim on any platform?
In swedish magazines, ive read that F1 98 wasnt any realistic, "Just look at
the blue water on the track at Australia, and what is that red thing?"
or that F1RC was realistic, since the reviewer could drive the same laptimes
as Michael Schumacher did.. hehe. good laugh anyway :)
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> reserving lots of advertising space), but the last straw was the GP3review.
> Just laughable. Haven't bought a single issue since.
>
> PC Zone is also losing it's grip on racing simulation reviews a bit, IMO
> (Steve Hill is a nice guy, but he just doesn't seem to get Nascar <g>),but
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> "Nick" wrote... > > <snip> > > PC Gamer UK? Was it reviewed by Trevor Witt? > > <snip> > > I noticed a couple of big sell-outs in PC Gamer (that's right, I do mean a > publisher buying a good review in the magazine through an exclusive dealQuoted text (10 lines)
> they do appear to be more independant. > > I think we've stumbled onto an interesting side track here... how does the > group regard magazine (or even web reviews for that matter) with reference > to believability and perceived skill level of the reviewers? > > Jan. > =--- > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6L8O8.31412$[email hidden]... >> "Nick" wrote... >> I think we've stumbled onto an interesting side track here... how does the >> group regard magazine (or even web reviews for that matter) with reference >> to believability and perceived skill level of the reviewers?
"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In swedish magazines, ive read that F1 98 wasnt any realistic, "Just lookat
> the blue water on the track at Australia, and what is that red thing?"
>
> or that F1RC was realistic, since the reviewer could drive the samelaptimes
> as Michael Schumacher did.. hehe. good laugh anyway :)
>
That's odd, the only Sweedish magazines we get here in the States
don't seem to have much sim stuff in them...
dave (!) henrie
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OOH my ears are burning!
I *do* write. I just did reviews of Le Mans 24 hours and F1 2002 for
the PC on IGN PC (pc.ign.com).
I still do some DigitalSports writing from time to time as well.
As far as the GT3 question. I don't think I said that, but I might
have said something similar because GPL came out AFTER GT3 did. I
believe my main point about GT3 was that at the time it was the best
DRIVING game, but not the best RACING game (the racing is actually
pretty pathetic). The best Racing game I've played, at least against
the computer, would be Jarrett & Labonte Stock Car Racing for the PSX
(known properly and internationally as World Touring Car Championship)
by Codemasters. After that gem, GPL, NASCAR 2002 and F1 2002 all
share the stage, though the latter 3 are more realistic physics-wise
than J&L was, obviously, but again, I differentiate between the
driving model and the racing action.
Randy
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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WJbO8.6393$[email hidden]... > > Unless it's by Randy Magruder (and I don't think he writes anymore), they > > are useless for me except to give me a far and large warning of the pro's > > and con's. > > Isn't he the guy that said GT3 is the best racing sim on any platform?"Randy Magruder" wrote...
Ok, heading over there after I finish this message. A sim reviewer sticking
his neck out in this sub-thread deserves a read.
> I still do some DigitalSports writing from time to
> time as well.
>
> As far as the GT3 question. I don't think I said that,
> but I might have said something similar because GPL came
> out AFTER GT3 did.
Eh... quite. Other way around actually, but seeing as I haven't tried GT3
yet, I'm not going to argue relative merit.
Hmm... I see. Ok, I'll keep that in mind.
Jan.
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> <snip> > > Isn't he the guy that said GT3 is the best racing sim on any platform? > > OOH my ears are burning! > > I *do* write. I just did reviews of Le Mans 24 hours > and F1 2002 for the PC on IGN PC (pc.ign.com).Quoted text (11 lines)
> I believe my main point about GT3 was that at the time > it was the best DRIVING game, but not the best RACING > game (the racing is actually pretty pathetic). The best > Racing game I've played, at least against the computer, > would be Jarrett & Labonte Stock Car Racing for the PSX > (known properly and internationally as World Touring Car > Championship) by Codemasters. After that gem, GPL, > NASCAR 2002 and F1 2002 all share the stage, though the > latter 3 are more realistic physics-wise than J&L was, > obviously, but again, I differentiate between the driving > model and the racing action.Forget it Randy, these simmers won't touch a console with a ten foot stick.
Shame, they all missed out on J&L Stock Car Racing (TOCA:WTC in the UK). I
agree, it is the best RACING game on any platform.
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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sticking
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> "Randy Magruder" wrote... > > <snip> > > > Isn't he the guy that said GT3 is the best racing sim on any platform? > > > > OOH my ears are burning! > > > > I *do* write. I just did reviews of Le Mans 24 hours > > and F1 2002 for the PC on IGN PC (pc.ign.com). > > Ok, heading over there after I finish this message. A sim reviewerQuoted text (30 lines)
> his neck out in this sub-thread deserves a read. > > > I still do some DigitalSports writing from time to > > time as well. > > > > As far as the GT3 question. I don't think I said that, > > but I might have said something similar because GPL came > > out AFTER GT3 did. > > Eh... quite. Other way around actually, but seeing as I haven't tried GT3 > yet, I'm not going to argue relative merit. > > > I believe my main point about GT3 was that at the time > > it was the best DRIVING game, but not the best RACING > > game (the racing is actually pretty pathetic). The best > > Racing game I've played, at least against the computer, > > would be Jarrett & Labonte Stock Car Racing for the PSX > > (known properly and internationally as World Touring Car > > Championship) by Codemasters. After that gem, GPL, > > NASCAR 2002 and F1 2002 all share the stage, though the > > latter 3 are more realistic physics-wise than J&L was, > > obviously, but again, I differentiate between the driving > > model and the racing action. > > Hmm... I see. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. > > Jan. > =--- > >> "Jan Verschueren" wrote...
> > <snip>
>"BH" wrote...
> Forget it Randy, these simmers won't touch a console
> with a ten foot stick. Shame, they all missed out on
> J&L Stock Car Racing (TOCA:WTC in the UK). I agree,
> it is the best RACING game on any platform.
Two things:
!) Don't generalise, many RAS contributers own consoles. While I personally
don't see them capable of competing with the PC for the kind of racing
experience I prefer, this doesn't mean there aren't certain things and
genres which consoles do very well. The fact I have neither the time, nor
the inclination to use that capability doesn't reflect on the quality of the
games written specifically for the medium, IMO.
2) Kindly put comments related to Randy's post in a reply to his post, not
mine. -Thanks.
Jan.
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> As far as the GT3 question. I don't think I said that, but I might
> have said something similar because GPL came out AFTER GT3 did.
Damn, confused again. :)
Alanb
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> > > > As far as the GT3 question. I don't think I said that, > > but I might have said something similar because GPL came > > out AFTER GT3 did. > > Eh... quite. Other way around actually, but seeing as I haven't tried GT3 > yet, I'm not going to argue relative merit. >"Randy Magruder" wrote...
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
I've meanwhile read the two reviews you mentioned. Nice work. I'll be
checking your reviews in future.
Jan.
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