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29 posts by 14 people · 12 Jun 2002 17:44 UTC - 23 Jun 2002 18:58 UTC

GP4 screenshots draw mockery of Crammond's engine

New Grand Prix 4 screenshots showing high processor occupancy prompted jokes about Geoff Crammond's outdated graphics engine, lack of OpenGL and split-seat multiplayer. A few defended GP4's additions such as cambered tracks, force feedback and wet weather.

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>"Alessandro Pollini" <[email hidden]> wrote > New screenshots for Gp4 > www.m4driving.sm Thanks for the laugh Alessandro :) "Processor Occupancy 53" BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!~1 -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
hm.. if it took 53% of the cpu todo that rendering.. im very worried! "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XbON8.11160$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (25 lines)> >"Alessandro Pollini" <[email hidden]> wrote > > New screenshots for Gp4 > > www.m4driving.sm > > > Thanks for the laugh Alessandro :) > > > "Processor Occupancy 53" > > > > BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!~1 > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
"Andreas Nystr�m" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cvON8.11840$[email hidden]... > hm.. if it took 53% of the cpu todo that rendering.. im very worried! Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder and say "Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of Open GL at all?" Doug
Douglas Ellison wrote:
Quoted text (8 lines)> > "Andreas Nyström" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cvON8.11840$[email hidden]... > > hm.. if it took 53% of the cpu todo that rendering.. im very worried! > > Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder and say > > "Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of Open GL at all?"
or "Excuse me, you owe me £30 for that POS GP3!" I bet he'd run a mile :) Gerry
Douglas Ellison wrote: > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processor occupancy all > about?" > > Doug "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?"
Douglas Ellison wrote: > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processor occupancy all > about?" > > Doug "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?"
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processor occupancyall > > about?" > > > > Doug > > "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?" From the place he got his book "Direct 3d For Dummies" He really should get round to reading it Doug
>"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processor occupancyall > > about?" > > > > Doug > > "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?" Does GP4 still have split-multiplayer, where one driver sits after the other and has 10 seconds to change seat? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PzQN8.4758$[email hidden]... > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processoroccupancy
Quoted text (9 lines)> all > > > about?" > > > > > > Doug > > > > "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?" > > > Does GP4 still have split-multiplayer, where one driver sits after the
other > and has 10 seconds to change seat? Probably - but wait - they've done that pivital feature of all sims to make it as real as it gets... Split Screen Multiplayer Bwhaaaa haa haaa Doug
That was a great idea.. in GP1... however in these days you expect to have descent online multiplayer, you expect that with a 1.2ghz/gf3 that you can run just about all details in hi-res at a acceptable framerate, but perhaps Geoff isnt in these days. I feel bad that everyone bags his work nowdays, but its only because its bad, not because anyone hates him.. Luke -=87=- "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PzQN8.4758$[email hidden]... > >"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > > > "'m sorry Geoff - run that one by me again - what's processoroccupancy
Quoted text (9 lines)> all > > > about?" > > > > > > Doug > > > > "Geoff, where did you get your null modem cable?" > > > Does GP4 still have split-multiplayer, where one driver sits after the
other
Quoted text (13 lines)> and has 10 seconds to change seat? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<XbON8.11160$[email hidden]>...
Quoted text (8 lines)> >"Alessandro Pollini" <[email hidden]> wrote > > New screenshots for Gp4 > > www.m4driving.sm > > > Thanks for the laugh Alessandro :) > "Processor Occupancy 53" > BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!~1
Let's do the time warp.... agaaaain!!! ;)! - Yeah, GP4 doesn't have online multiplay because of the FIA, yeah - I believe that one. Kendt
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:44:43 +0200, "Alessandro Pollini" <[email hidden]> wrote: >New screenshots for Gp4 > >www.m4driving.sm > >Since you're asking so much attention for your site, wouldn't it be something to make it in english, or to just link to the screenshots in stead of putting everybody's nose to all these italian wordies (it isn't a world language you know)?
This is a favourite from the readme for GP4 Network play: "2. The game can support 22 players, but only if all players are running on high specification machines. This is to future proof the game." Future proof of what? :) "This is to make sure that the game will run like an old dog even on your system in 2030" ? "Kendt Eklund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
Quoted text (12 lines)> > Let's > do > the > time warp.... > > agaaaain!!! > > ;)! - Yeah, GP4 doesn't have online multiplay because of the FIA, yeah > - I believe that one. > > Kendt
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) writes: >;)! - Yeah, GP4 doesn't have online multiplay because of the FIA, yeah >- I believe that one. The FIA are just brain-dead...it's starting to become obvious. :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
ymenard 14 Jun 2002 17:46 UTC↳ reply to HanslH#114900
>"HanslH" <[email hidden]> wrote > Since you're asking so much attention for your site, wouldn't it be > something to make it in english, or to just link to the screenshots in > stead of putting everybody's nose to all these italian wordies (it > isn't a world language you know)? I <yawn> in your general direction. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
EldredP wrote:
Quoted text (8 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Kendt Eklund) writes: > > >;)! - Yeah, GP4 doesn't have online multiplay because of the FIA, yeah > >- I believe that one. > > The FIA are just brain-dead...it's starting to become obvious. :(
You assume they had brains to begin with! ;) Gerry
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:24:14 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder and say > >"Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of Open GL at all?" And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002. Have you heard that one-man programming teams were obsolete five years ago?"
Frode 14 Jun 2002 20:20 UTC↳ reply to Joe62#114839
"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote > >Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder and say > > > >"Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of Open GL at all?" > And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002. Have you heard that > one-man programming teams were obsolete five years ago?" According to interviews he's not working "alone" anymore. There's supposedly a large team behind GP4. Why the hell it's taken this long to finish is totally beyond me. GP1 -> GP2 was a huge leap, no doubt. GP2 -> GP3 was a minor upgrade, mainly in graphics. GP3 -> GP4 has added animated pit crews, some lame radio voices, and practically nothing else. And to top it all off the graphics are at best marginally better than GP3, yet they demand twice the machine. He would've been better off spending a few weeks patching away the bugs (invisible walls etc) in GP3 and gone on to make GP4 a console-only title. -- Frode
"Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7esO8.2203$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (11 lines)> "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder and say > > > > > >"Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of Open GL at all?" > > And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002. Have you heard that > > one-man programming teams were obsolete five years ago?" > > According to interviews he's not working "alone" anymore. There's > supposedly a large team behind GP4. Why the hell it's taken this > long to finish is totally beyond me. GP1 -> GP2 was a huge leap, > no doubt. GP2 -> GP3 was a minor upgrade, mainly in graphics.
You forget: - moving 3D cockpit - tracks with camber - force feedback - cc improvements (2000 season) - physics (differential - 2000 season) - very good wet weather simulation - improved replays (2000 season) - debris collisions (2000 season) > <snip> I think most of the GP4 effort went to the Xbox version. At least it tied the pc developpers from a certain point. We pc owners were unlucky it seems. I have yet to try it out though. If GP4 compares the same to its reviews here as GP3 does, I might still like it :) Bart Westra
Joe62 14 Jun 2002 23:56 UTC↳ reply to Frode#114874
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:20:19 GMT, "Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote: >machine. He would've been better off spending a few weeks >patching away the bugs (invisible walls etc) in GP3 and gone on >to make GP4 a console-only title. Except that a game of this low quality would never sell on consoles. On PCs there seems to be some wierd Crammond religious following who buy up whatever he spews out.
the reason is they are all indian programmers so for the best part of the time they are just getting over "c o f f e e " and " m i l k " ( say it very slowly ) etc "Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7esO8.2203$[email hidden]... > "Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote > > >Someone should tap Crammond on the shoulder andsay > > > > > >"Excuse me, this is 2002, have you heard of OpenGL at all?" > > And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002.Have you heard that > > one-man programming teams were obsolete five yearsago?" > > According to interviews he's not working "alone"anymore. There's > supposedly a large team behind GP4. Why the hell it'staken this > long to finish is totally beyond me. GP1 -> GP2 was ahuge leap, > no doubt. GP2 -> GP3 was a minor upgrade, mainly ingraphics. > GP3 -> GP4 has added animated pit crews, some lameradio > voices, and practically nothing else. And to top itall off the graphics > are at best marginally better than GP3, yet theydemand twice the > machine. He would've been better off spending a fewweeks > patching away the bugs (invisible walls etc) in GP3and gone on
Quoted text (10 lines)> to make GP4 a console-only title. > > > > -- > Frode > > > >
"Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote > I think most of the GP4 effort went to the Xbox version. At least it tied > the pc developpers from a certain point. We pc owners were unlucky it seems. > I have yet to try it out though. If GP4 compares the same to its reviews > here as GP3 does, I might still like it :) The only reason I play GP4 as opposed to GP3 is that it works properly in XP. I must admit my experience with the sense of speed is the opposite to that of everybody else in here. I get more of a sense of high speed in GP4 than GP3. Guess I'm odd. -- Frode
ymenard 15 Jun 2002 17:26 UTC↳ reply to Joe62#114731
>"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote > And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002. Have you heard that > one-man programming teams were obsolete five years ago?" "Excuse me, this is 2002 Geoff. Have you heard that nobody since the past 5 years has ever written any line of assembler code in the game industry, except you?" -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...
Joe62 17 Jun 2002 16:54 UTC↳ reply to ymenard#114368
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:26:30 -0400, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)>>"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote >> And while thee're at it: "Excuse me, this is 2002. Have you heard that >> one-man programming teams were obsolete five years ago?" > >"Excuse me, this is 2002 Geoff. Have you heard that nobody since the past 5 >years has ever written any line of assembler code in the game industry, >except you?"
"And while we're on the subject, Geoff, have you noticed that your assembly code is dramatically slower than code optimized by a modern C compiler?"
"Joe62" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "And while we're on the subject, Geoff, have you noticed that your > assembly code is dramatically slower than code optimized by a modern C > compiler?" ???
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:45:51 +0100, "Johnny Moda" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> "And while we're on the subject, Geoff, have you noticed that your >> assembly code is dramatically slower than code optimized by a modern C >> compiler?" > >??? Modern C optimizers are extremely sophisticated. In most cases it can outperform hand-written assembly code. As just one example, an optimizer will organize code and data to make the most efficient use of specific hardware characteristics. You just can't do that by hand.

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