Replay Analyzer for N2002 ???

- Is it out? - In the works? - Not going to happen? -- ed_

Ed Solheim <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:2CtL8.10258$[email hidden]...

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> - Is it out? > - In the works? > - Not going to happen? > > -- > ed_ >

I'll second this... if Jason is running 54.9s at Pocono w/ the fast setup & no draft, I need all the help I can get. ;-( Brian

Brian said: > I'll second this... if Jason is running 54.9s at Pocono w/ the fast setup& > no draft, I need all the help I can get. ;-( Well I for one only want it for the graphically displayed race reports :-) -- eD_

Brian said: Well I for one only want it for the graphically displayed race reports :-) -- eD_

On its way, but it ain't gonna be free :-) http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/ "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:2CtL8.10258$[email hidden]...

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> - Is it out? > - In the works? > - Not going to happen? > > -- > ed_ > > >

"Bob G" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:3cfe7eef$[email hidden]... > On its way, but it ain't gonna be free :-) > http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/ Ahh... so *thats* why its been so quiet about it... :-) 'Hate it when some want to make a profit on stuff like this though..... makes me wonder how many tracks/cars/utilites/drivers/leauges we would have if everyone wanted to earn a dime on their "product"... :-/ Who'll be the first to ask $10 for a track? -- ed_

On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:26:54 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote: >- Is it out? Not yet, but some info can be found at http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/ >- In the works? It is finished and will hopefully be released early next week, along with a more informative website. Cheers, /Martin

Developing software takes a lot of time and effort. Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. If people don't want to buy it then it's still open for someone to make a freeware version of their own. I'd rather have people developing a number of decent pay programs than only have a rare few free ones. "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adnblj$l0aq$[email hidden]...

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> > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:2CtL8.10258$[email hidden]... > > - Is it out? > > - In the works? > > - Not going to happen? > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > It's gonna be $10 or something so I've heard. > > Which - imho - is against EVERYTHING that this community is about. > > I've only been involved in one GPL project ( And all I did was make a few > 3do's for castle combe) > > BUT - Mike Cotching and Fred Norm...... spent litterally HUNDREDS AND > HUNDREDS of hours doing that track > > At a programmers rate of �25 an hour - Castle Combe would have probably

cost > �10,000 to make. > > That - plus the huge ammount of bandwidth to host it ( half a dozen gigsof > transfer) - It's not a 'cheap' thing to do. > > Now, whilst I have to say well done for doing the GPLRA - ( I used it,loved

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> it) - I will not pay for a community product. > > I say the same now I said to Noonan. Do it for free - or leave it to > someone else who will. > > Doug > >

"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:2CtL8.10258$[email hidden]... > - Is it out? > - In the works? > - Not going to happen? > > -- > ed_ It's gonna be $10 or something so I've heard. Which - imho - is against EVERYTHING that this community is about. I've only been involved in one GPL project ( And all I did was make a few 3do's for castle combe) BUT - Mike Cotching and Fred Norm...... spent litterally HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of hours doing that track At a programmers rate of �25 an hour - Castle Combe would have probably cost �10,000 to make. That - plus the huge ammount of bandwidth to host it ( half a dozen gigs of transfer) - It's not a 'cheap' thing to do. Now, whilst I have to say well done for doing the GPLRA - ( I used it, loved it) - I will not pay for a community product. I say the same now I said to Noonan. Do it for free - or leave it to someone else who will. Doug

"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XQGL8.21709$[email hidden]... > Developing software takes a lot of time and effort.Dont disagree > Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team. Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for his N2k2 templates? I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be contributing

Well said Doug... to me there no difference between a track, a car or an utility program. It's all "labour of love" and nothing more. -- ed_ "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adnhsb$mq4n$[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XQGL8.21709$[email hidden]... > > Developing software takes a lot of time and effort. > Dont disagree > > > Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. > > Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team. > > Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a > few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for > his N2k2 templates? > > I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be > contributing > > >

Not intended to be a flame Douglas, but who are you to tell someone how they should spend their time and what they should do with their efforts and creations? So nobody should create anything, unless it's in the "community spirit"? Otherwise they have to be a "commercial" venture? Yes, there are alot, no.. a TON, of free creations out there and many people certainly appreciate all the efforts of these groups. Nobody would want to pay for everything with all the mods/updates put out there. But, if someone wants to spend time creating something and ask for a little cash in return, I see nothing wrong with it. I don't see any problems asking a modest fee for someone's efforts, particularly when they are "unique". It's a pretty old practice under the shareware concept. If you don't want to pay for it, don't. Just don't be asking others for copies or hacking the registration as that is piracy. It's shareware. I understand creations for the community, I understand Open & GPL licenses, I understand shareware, and I understand commercial ventures. I don't see why anyone has to be "forced" into one or the other in order to contribute to the community. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.theuspits.com http://www.Husted.cc "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adnhsb$mq4n$[email hidden]... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XQGL8.21709$[email hidden]... > > Developing software takes a lot of time and effort. > Dont disagree > > > Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. > > Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team. > > Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a > few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for > his N2k2 templates? > > I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be > contributing > > >

In article <adnblj$l0aq$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: >I say the same now I said to Noonan. Do it for free - or leave it to >someone else who will. If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, and I support that. But if you're gonna constantly nag about it, be prepared for the pushback you'll get. Personally, I don't see any problem with someone charging. I probably won't buy it, but it *is* a free enterprise... If others will pay for it, that's their choice, and it's fine. If nobody buys it, maybe they'll remove the fee. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Thanks to those of you who made a donation for breast cancer research. The walkathon is over, but donations are still being accepted. Details on my webpage. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough. You're entitled to your > opinion, and I support that. But if you're gonna constantly nag about it, be > prepared for the pushback you'll get. Oh I think it's pretty much a given that young Ellison will nag about people daring to charge for software Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

I think that all the free mod creators should form a union to keep out those who charge a fee. <VBG> =P -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > EldredP wrote: > > > > If that's all you're going to say, that's fair enough. You're entitled to your > > opinion, and I support that. But if you're gonna constantly nag about it, be > > prepared for the pushback you'll get. > > Oh I think it's pretty much a given that young Ellison will nag about > people daring to charge for software > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > I think that all the free mod creators should form a union to keep out those > who charge a fee. <VBG> =P Would they charge a fee from their members I wonder..... Seriously, we need a bit of both, shareware and freeware both have their place, you vote with your wallet, if the Martin's RA was something I'd feel like using, I'd be willing to pay for it, same with Dave's converters Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:43:08 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:XQGL8.21709$[email hidden]... >> Developing software takes a lot of time and effort. >Dont disagree > >> Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. > >Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team. > >Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a >few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for >his N2k2 templates? > >I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be >contributing > >

I take it you must be either a socialist or a communist. "We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

motorslug wrote: > > I take it you must be either a socialist or a communist. Hey, I resent that comment Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Hi Martin, go ahead and charge some for the RA. You guys who do add-ons over the years must be spending hundreds if not thousands of hours creating them. I thank you for charging so little for it, just as I thank Dave Noonan for charging so little for his converters, so little as compared to how much time guys like you and him invest in these products. Achim "Martin Granberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:26:54 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ > THIS ].no> wrote: > > >- Is it out? > > Not yet, but some info can be found at > http://home.bip.net/martin/n2002ra/ > > >- In the works? > > It is finished and will hopefully be released early next week, along > with a more informative website. > > Cheers, > > /Martin >

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:adnhsb$mq4n$[email hidden]... > > Asking for a few dollars is not unfair. > Either you're a commercial venture - or you're a community team. That is not true. Go on www.tucows.com, www.download.com, www.simtel.com, name your download site. 90% of the programs on there are shareware, and probably a good 70% of those are just programmers who want a little in return for their effort. They are not incorperated, they do not have an office, they are someone who wrote a program that they hope someone likes. > Did Mike Cotchin ask for a few dollars for Castle Combe, Did DG ask for a > few dollars for his textures, Does Brian Simpson ask for a few dollars for > his N2k2 templates? Point? These people chose not to charge for their products. I've never built anything that I charged for either. I run The Pits free of charge (luckily at the moment the nice guys at BHMotorsports don't get charged for hosting me). However, in the past I've kept The Pits online, even when it was costing $120/month. So? If someone chooses to charge for their products, that's their rightful decision. If I like it, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't. > I just think it's outside the spirit of the community - and I will not be contributing That's your rightful decision. Cheers! �� Jan Kohl �� ::: computer security consultant ::: the pits - http://www.theuspits.com castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com

> BUT - Mike Cotching and Fred Norm...... spent litterally HUNDREDS AND > HUNDREDS of hours doing that track > > At a programmers rate of �25 an hour - Castle Combe would have probablycost > �10,000 to make. > > That - plus the huge ammount of bandwidth to host it ( half a dozen gigsof > transfer) - It's not a 'cheap' thing to do. Exactly the reason why I don't see a problem with people charging for the work they do. Why are you so against someone getting a reward for their efforts. If it happened more then some of these guys could even make a career out of it, allowing more time to be devoted to the projects, making them even higher quality. Its been happening for years in the FlightSim world and see what that has done for that sim. Just because its on the internet does not make it free.