NR2002 California Set-up Question

I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California beautifully. It pushes horribly going into 1. What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that won't wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? Thanks! -- **************************************************************************** Marc Collins [email hidden] Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? ****************************************************************************

Are you using realistic weather ? If so, you may have some wind affecting you in T1. -John "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > beautifully. > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 thatwon't > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > Thanks! > > -- >**************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? >**************************************************************************** > >

Perhaps you are over driving turn 1, or a tail wind on the fs makes your turn 1 entry speed to fast? S_K www.TeamECR.com "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > beautifully. > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 thatwon't > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > Thanks! > > -- >**************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? >**************************************************************************** > >

All of those things may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that the car turns well into 3 and like a dog into 1. Obviously the corners are quite different. I was asking for some expert advice regarding specific set-up tips that could compensate. My question assumes you know the differences between the two corners well and the basics of how to adjust the car. Whether one overdrives or underdrives the car, the response in the two turns is dramatically different. I always use realistic weather, so it would be odd if it was wind related, unless the weather isn't random after all. I have never had a set-up act so well in one corner and then be so bad in the other...hopefully someone will have some useful advice! Marc "S_Kimball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Perhaps you are over driving turn 1, or a tail wind on the fs makes your > turn 1 entry speed to fast? > > S_K > > www.TeamECR.com > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > > beautifully. > > > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that > won't > > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > >

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Yes, but since realistic weather changes each time, how could this be the cause? Marc "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Are you using realistic weather ? If so, you may have some windaffecting

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> you in T1. > > -John > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > > beautifully. > > > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that > won't > > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > >

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> > Marc Collins > > [email hidden] > > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > > to take effect. Reboot now? > > >

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"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NvuK8.888$[email hidden]... > All of those things may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that thecar > turns well into 3 and like a dog into 1. Obviously the corners are quite > different. I was asking for some expert advice regarding specific set-up > tips that could compensate. My question assumes you know the differences > between the two corners well and the basics of how to adjust the car. > > Whether one overdrives or underdrives the car, the response in the twoturns > is dramatically different. > > I always use realistic weather, so it would be odd if it was wind related, > unless the weather isn't random after all. I haven't dug into the paticulars of the Papyrus weather, but around these parts, I can tell where the wind is gonna blow from, cuz 90% it is a Pacific Breeze that has blown up the Columbia River Gorge Gap...(heaven for a Windsurfer) Perhaps California has a prevailing breeze as well? > > I have never had a set-up act so well in one corner and then be so bad in > the other...hopefully someone will have some useful advice! > > Marc I have heard real world drivers having exactly the same problems. quotes like ...The car was great in 1 & 2 but junk in 3 & 4. As far as advice...about all I could do was hand you a setup and say...change everything 180 degrees and it will work fine. :) dave henrie

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> > "S_Kimball" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Perhaps you are over driving turn 1, or a tail wind on the fs makes your > > turn 1 entry speed to fast? > > > > S_K > > > > www.TeamECR.com > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > > > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > > > beautifully. > > > > > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > > > > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that > > won't > > > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -- > > > > > >

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> Yes, but since realistic weather changes each time, how could this bethe > cause? I thought realistic weather took into account prevailing wind direction for the track. In that case, more often than not, the wind will be in the same general direction and the wind force will vary. Southern California is very much a prevailing wind location. There are basically two wind directions in SoCal. On shore (prevailing) and off shore ("Santa Ana" winds). Given this, the exact prevailing wind direction depends on the geographic features of the specific area (mountains and such). Norman "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jwuK8.889$[email hidden]... > Yes, but since realistic weather changes each time, how could this bethe

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> cause? > > Marc > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are you using realistic weather ? If so, you may have some wind > affecting > > you in T1. > > > > -John > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > > > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at

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Most Nascar crew chiefs would also like to know if you ever figure it out :) -Larry "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > beautifully. > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 thatwon't > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > Thanks! > > -- >**************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change > to take effect. Reboot now? >**************************************************************************** > >

Because it can push or hold back your car depending upon what it's doing. Can completely require a change to corner entry, etc. -John "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jwuK8.889$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, but since realistic weather changes each time, how could this be the > cause? > > Marc > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are you using realistic weather ? If so, you may have some wind > affecting > > you in T1. > > > > -John > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > > > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > > > beautifully. > > > > > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > > > > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that > > won't > > > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -- > > > > > >

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"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Because it can push or hold back your car depending upon what it'sdoing. > Can completely require a change to corner entry, etc. > > -John you missed the point of his question I think John. Marc knows the weather can effect(affect?) a car's handling, but he's asking: With realistic weather, that is supposedly different each session, why does the same ill handling characteristic keep surfacing? dave(mouthpiece)henrie

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AChK8.12991$[email hidden]... > I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > beautifully. > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 thatwon't > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > Thanks! > > -- >**************************************************************************** > Marc Collins > [email hidden] Well, it sounds very wind related to me, but here's some tips anyway. Not saying they're the only ones or best, but things I'd try. No particular order. -increase the RF compression. -increase the LR rebound. -decrease the RF tire pressure. -soften the RF spring. -stiffen the RR spring. -change your line :) Give those a shot. They're fine adjustments, as opposed to coarse. -John

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z9BK8.154384$L76.239941@rwcrnsc53...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Because it can push or hold back your car depending upon what it's > doing. > > Can completely require a change to corner entry, etc. > > > > -John > > you missed the point of his question I think John. Marc knows the > weather can effect(affect?) a car's handling, but he's asking: With > realistic weather, that is supposedly different each session, why does the > same ill handling characteristic keep surfacing? > dave(mouthpiece)henrie

Not sure, but I think the wind comes from one direction there, just different intensities............but again, not sure. Anyone else know for sure about the wind there ? -John > >

After reading all the other responses about wind, let me ask what should be an obvious question. Did you turn off realistic weather, set wind to 0 mph, and if so, did the problem go away? If not, I suspect you are just overdriving the entry or getting too high and out of the groove. HTH, Gerald "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<AChK8.12991$[email hidden]>...

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> I have a set-up that turns in and drives through 3 and 4 at California > beautifully. > > It pushes horribly going into 1. > > What should I adjust to get rid of some or all of the push into 1 that won't > wreck my great 3 and 4 balance? > > Thanks!

Hate to burst your bubble, but Papy didn't program the "realistic" weather that realistically. Dave is correct in understanding my question. Marc "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Z9BK8.154384$L76.239941@rwcrnsc53... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Because it can push or hold back your car depending upon what it's > > doing. > > > Can completely require a change to corner entry, etc. > > > > > > -John > > > > you missed the point of his question I think John. Marc knows the > > weather can effect(affect?) a car's handling, but he's asking: With > > realistic weather, that is supposedly different each session, why does

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> > same ill handling characteristic keep surfacing? > > dave(mouthpiece)henrie > > Not sure, but I think the wind comes from one direction there, just > different intensities............but again, not sure. Anyone else know > for sure about the wind there ? > > -John > > > > > > > >

Hate to burst yours<G>, but you misunderstood my reply to Dave. -John "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tDRL8.9566$[email hidden]...

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> Hate to burst your bubble, but Papy didn't program the "realistic" weather > that realistically. > > Dave is correct in understanding my question. > > Marc > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Z9BK8.154384$L76.239941@rwcrnsc53... > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Because it can push or hold back your car depending upon what it's > > > doing. > > > > Can completely require a change to corner entry, etc. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > you missed the point of his question I think John. Marc knows the > > > weather can effect(affect?) a car's handling, but he's asking: With > > > realistic weather, that is supposedly different each session, why does > the > > > same ill handling characteristic keep surfacing? > > > dave(mouthpiece)henrie > > > > Not sure, but I think the wind comes from one direction there, just > > different intensities............but again, not sure. Anyone else

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"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tDRL8.9566$[email hidden]... > Hate to burst your bubble, but Papy didn't program the "realistic" weather > that realistically. > > Dave is correct in understanding my question. > > Marc wha????? dave henrie

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hate to burst yours<G>, but you misunderstood my reply to Dave. > > -John huhhh???? dave henrie