Eldred's Race #1 At Sears Point

George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in practice, and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. Top 5: George Sandman (1st) Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) John Simmons (4th) Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) Tom Pabst (11th?) I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finally had to disconnect. Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. If anyone else has any observations, please share them. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Had fun here too. Sears Point was going well, but got some damage and couldn't see much after that with my hood crumpled up :) We went to Daytona afterwards, fun there too. -John "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in practice, > and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. > > Top 5: > > George Sandman (1st) > Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) > John Simmons (4th) > Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) > Tom Pabst (11th?) > > I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). > > I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finally had to > disconnect. > > Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. > > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:43:08 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was >ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook >him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). That was not me, I was in 2nd place from the start to the finish.. >If anyone else has any observations, please share them. Yes, congrats for a clean start and clean racing all, what a delight this race was after some pickup races :) Andre

Yep, have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised at Sears; thought it'd be a mess. Great courtesy, etc. shown. -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:43:08 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > >ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > >him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). > > That was not me, I was in 2nd place from the start to the finish.. > > >If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > Yes, congrats for a clean start and clean racing all, what a delight > this race was after some pickup races :) > > Andre

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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:43:08 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > >ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > >him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). > > That was not me, I was in 2nd place from the start to the finish.. > > >If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > Yes, congrats for a clean start and clean racing all, what a delight > this race was after some pickup races :) > > Andre >

Errrp - my bad - meant to say mitch passed me. :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

SP was excellent. Everyone did a great job and from what I saw there were only a few normal racing incidents. The race was a thousand times better than any pick up race I've been in. Daytona......uhh, I'm not sure I want to talk about it. :-) 30 lapper. John Pancoast and I managed to get a very small lead and then drafted tight to open it up and spent about 24 laps 1 and 2. At lap 26 he made a very nice pass on me, and on turn three of lap 29 I was able to get back by him. At the beginning of the last lap my *%!*#$ *%!$# screen froze up and I ended up flying through the infield. I've been worried it would freeze at the wrong time and I'd wreck somebody elses race but I didn't think this would happen. :-() John may very well have gotten by me on that last lap anyway.........congratulations John, that was fun. :-) David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Had fun here too. Sears Point was going well, but got some damage and > couldn't see much after that with my hood crumpled up :) We went toDaytona

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> afterwards, fun there too. > > -John > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in practice, > > and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. > > > > Top 5: > > > > George Sandman (1st) > > Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) > > John Simmons (4th) > > Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) > > Tom Pabst (11th?) > > > > I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > > ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > > him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). > > > > I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finally had to > > disconnect. > > > > Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. > > > > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > > > -- > > ========================================================= > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > ========================================================= > > >

Thanks Dave, that was great fun. We let those other guys race each other and left them behind <G> Don't know about being able to pass you again on the last lap; would have been hard on the outside. Good run ! -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dDtn8.240759$[email hidden]...

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> SP was excellent. Everyone did a great job and from what I saw there were > only a few normal racing incidents. The race was a thousand times better > than any pick up race I've been in. > > Daytona......uhh, I'm not sure I want to talk about it. :-) > 30 lapper. > John Pancoast and I managed to get a very small lead and then drafted

tight > to open it up and spent about 24 laps 1 and 2. At lap 26 he made a verynice > pass on me, and on turn three of lap 29 I was able to get back by him. At > the beginning of the last lap my *%!*#$ *%!$# screen froze up and I endedup > flying through the infield. I've been worried it would freeze at the wrong > time and I'd wreck somebody elses race but I didn't think this wouldhappen.

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> :-() > > John may very well have gotten by me on that last lap > anyway.........congratulations John, that was fun. :-) > > David G Fisher > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Had fun here too. Sears Point was going well, but got some damage and > > couldn't see much after that with my hood crumpled up :) We went to > Daytona > > afterwards, fun there too. > > > > -John > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in practice, > > > and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. > > > > > > Top 5: > > > > > > George Sandman (1st) > > > Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) > > > John Simmons (4th) > > > Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) > > > Tom Pabst (11th?) > > > > > > I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > > > ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > > > him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a

gear). > > > > > > I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finally hadto

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> > > disconnect. > > > > > > Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. > > > > > > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > > > > > -- > > > ========================================================= > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > > >

"John Simmons" wrote ... > George Sandman dominated the entire event, <snip> > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. Personally, I'd like to know who the genius at Papyrus who put the "Back" (i.e. disconnect) button in N2k2 where the Chat On/Off toggle button in GPL used to be is... grrrrr. Otherwise two very enjoyable races. Going from '67 GP cars to 2002 stock cars is a big leap. Again: thanks for understanding and no problem about the touch at Daytona Phill... nice try to bump draft us back up to the leaders, but we needed a FCY really. ;-) Jan. =---

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:17:16 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Personally, I'd like to know who the genius at Papyrus who put the "Back" >(i.e. disconnect) button in N2k2 where the Chat On/Off toggle button in GPL >used to be is... grrrrr. Luckily you get an 'are you really sure you want to exit the game yes/no' warning first.. Andre

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks Dave, that was great fun. We let those other guys race eachother > and left them behind <G> > > Don't know about being able to pass you again on the last lap; wouldhave > been hard on the outside. Good run ! > > -John You too. Yea, I was definitely going to try and hug the inside the whole way around that last lap. :-) David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dDtn8.240759$[email hidden]... > > SP was excellent. Everyone did a great job and from what I saw therewere

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> > only a few normal racing incidents. The race was a thousand times better > > than any pick up race I've been in. > > > > Daytona......uhh, I'm not sure I want to talk about it. :-) > > 30 lapper. > > John Pancoast and I managed to get a very small lead and then drafted > tight > > to open it up and spent about 24 laps 1 and 2. At lap 26 he made a very > nice > > pass on me, and on turn three of lap 29 I was able to get back by him.

At > > the beginning of the last lap my *%!*#$ *%!$# screen froze up and Iended > up > > flying through the infield. I've been worried it would freeze at thewrong

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> > time and I'd wreck somebody elses race but I didn't think this would > happen. > > :-() > > > > John may very well have gotten by me on that last lap > > anyway.........congratulations John, that was fun. :-) > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Had fun here too. Sears Point was going well, but got some damage

and

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> > > couldn't see much after that with my hood crumpled up :) We went to > > Daytona > > > afterwards, fun there too. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in

practice,

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> > > > and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. > > > > > > > > Top 5: > > > > > > > > George Sandman (1st) > > > > Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) > > > > John Simmons (4th) > > > > Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) > > > > Tom Pabst (11th?) > > > > > > > > I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I

was > > > > ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but Iovertook > > > > him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a > gear). > > > > > > > > I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finallyhad

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> to > > > > disconnect. > > > > > > > > Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. > > > > > > > > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ========================================================= > > > > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > > > > > > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > > > > > > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > > > > > > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > > > > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > > > > > > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > > > > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly so. Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tQRn8.88525$[email hidden]...

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> > > You too. > > Yea, I was definitely going to try and hug the inside the whole way around > that last lap. :-) > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly so. > Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. > > -John I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the host had one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga line all night...passing then getting passed every turn.. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UsSn8.129833$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly so. > > Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. > > > > -John > I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the host had > one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange > night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga line all > night...passing then getting passed every turn.. > dave henrie

That sounds a little ridiculous. With John I knew somehting would be happening very soon when we reached lap 25 (of 30). I tightened my line on the straights (I usually follow the recommended racing line which goes up next to the wall) and tried to make it difficult to pass on the inside, but not impossible. He made a really nice pass and got by me on 26 and then at 29 I managed to get by him. When we were about to start 30 (right before my freeze up) I figured I had no choice but to stay low on the straights or basically give up the race. What else can you do? I wouldn't leave some room and then dart in front of him and block when he tried to pass, so the only thing to do is stay real low and force him to go outside. Does this sound right? In F1 my technique would be different, but I'm new to NASCAR so I might not always know what's right and wrong. David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote:

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UsSn8.129833$[email hidden]... > >>"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:[email hidden]... >> >>> Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly so. >>>Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. >>> >>>-John >> >> I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the host had >>one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange >>night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga line all >>night...passing then getting passed every turn.. >>dave henrie > > > That sounds a little ridiculous. With John I knew somehting would be > happening very soon when we reached lap 25 (of 30). I tightened my line on > the straights (I usually follow the recommended racing line which goes up > next to the wall) and tried to make it difficult to pass on the inside, but > not impossible. He made a really nice pass and got by me on 26 and then at > 29 I managed to get by him. When we were about to start 30 (right before my > freeze up) I figured I had no choice but to stay low on the straights or > basically give up the race. What else can you do? I wouldn't leave some room > and then dart in front of him and block when he tried to pass, so the only > thing to do is stay real low and force him to go outside. Does this sound > right? In F1 my technique would be different, but I'm new to NASCAR so I > might not always know what's right and wrong.

You didn't do anything wrong. Most servers say "No blocking until the last 2 laps". This clearly qualifies. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

Hmmm........not allowing the preferred line, in actual and sim racing ? Yep, sounds like a Heat online race alright<G> -John "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UsSn8.129833$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly so. > > Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. > > > > -John > I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the host had > one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange > night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga line all > night...passing then getting passed every turn.. > dave henrie > >

I sure didn't see you do anything wrong David; textbook IMO. For someone new to Nascar sim racing, you did a lot better than many, many vets I know in the same situation. Like I said earlier, you ran a good defense; courteous when it needed to be, and perfectly fine defensive when it needed to be. I mean, it is called RACING..........not Mark Martining<G> (that'll stir up any Martin fans in the ng<G>). -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:47Tn8.166632$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UsSn8.129833$[email hidden]... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Don't blame you :) It was fun; you defended well, but not overly

so. > > > Just enough to keep it interesting and fun. > > > > > > -John > > I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the hosthad > > one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange > > night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga lineall

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> > night...passing then getting passed every turn.. > > dave henrie > > That sounds a little ridiculous. With John I knew somehting would be > happening very soon when we reached lap 25 (of 30). I tightened my line on > the straights (I usually follow the recommended racing line which goes up > next to the wall) and tried to make it difficult to pass on the inside,

but > not impossible. He made a really nice pass and got by me on 26 and then at > 29 I managed to get by him. When we were about to start 30 (right beforemy > freeze up) I figured I had no choice but to stay low on the straights or > basically give up the race. What else can you do? I wouldn't leave someroom

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> and then dart in front of him and block when he tried to pass, so the only > thing to do is stay real low and force him to go outside. Does this sound > right? In F1 my technique would be different, but I'm new to NASCAR so I > might not always know what's right and wrong. > > David G Fisher > > > >

John Pancoast wrote: > I mean, it is called RACING..........not Mark Martining<G> (that'll stir > up any Martin fans in the ng<G>). I used to be a Mark Martin fan. But at my age, it's kinda hard pulling for a car with Viagra all over it. :-P -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

I chose not to qualify....started at the back of the pack just to watch how guys drove at Sears for the first time in an online race. Got hit three times, was more than 3/4's of a lap down to George who I race with there all the time......beat him occasionally. I chose to pit and watch the end of the Bristol NASCAR race on TV. Did I finish as high as 11th? Cool. TP PS: The "surprise" performance of the group (I knew George would dominate) was Andre....who was consistent and pretty fast. Nice job, Andre. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> George Sandman dominated the entire event, turning 1:19's in practice, > and 1:20's during the race with the fixed setup. > > Top 5: > > George Sandman (1st) > Andre Warringa (sp?) (2nd) > John Simmons (4th) > Mitch Altore (sp?) (3rd) > Tom Pabst (11th?) > > I spun Phil Lee at turn 6 on the first lap (he slowed more than I was > ready for). As a result, Andre passed me in the esses but I overtook > him on the next lap and passed him in turn 11. (I think he lost a gear). > > I believe Dave Henrie was having connection problems, and finally had to > disconnect. > > Overall, I think it was a pretty good race. > > If anyone else has any observations, please share them. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Personally, I'd like to know who the genius at Papyrus who put the "Back" >(i.e. disconnect) button in N2k2 where the Chat On/Off toggle button in GPL >used to be is... grrrrr. Oh, damn...that sucks. I hadn't thought about that... Old habits die hard, huh? :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>John Pancoast wrote: > >> I mean, it is called RACING..........not Mark Martining<G> (that'll stir >> up any Martin fans in the ng<G>). > > >I used to be a Mark Martin fan. But at my age, it's kinda hard pulling >for a car with Viagra all over it. :-P

Why? At least he has a sponsor you can use...<ducking> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <UsSn8.129833$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > I ran along time ago on a Nascar Heat Daytona server where the host had >one rule...YOU CAN"T STAY ON THE BOTTOM. made for one very strange >night...pass low but then give up the line...we were like a conga line all >night...passing then getting passed every turn.. >dave henrie Sorry, but I'd say that's a stupid rule... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.