Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1 race
in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight are over
<sigh>
http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
"Carl Smith" wrote...
> Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
> <sigh>
>
> http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
Wow... that looks only slightly longer than the old short course!! What will
the laptimes be like.... 50seconds?
Jan.
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:26:20 GMT, "Carl Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1 race
>in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight are over
><sigh>
>
>http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
Well, one can think it's wrong or right or whatever. But when people
begin crying and whining about a "classic" being "butchered" it's just
getting ridiculous. :-/ Does "Autobahn" mean anything?
Personally I think it's looking ok:ish apart from that extra twisty
back into the stadium. Shame is perhaps that it had it's character
that set it apart from other tracks with the woods and the straights
and all. But it's not like I'm going to cry a river that the
start-stop-start-stop-start-stop-start-stop backstretch is gone...
I wouldn't have minded Hock if they would have taken the time to find a
better solution than 3 chicanes off in the woods. Hock is/was very similiar
to the Indy USA track. A ridiculously tight infield with wide open
straights. I didn't mind it in a Viper tho.. :)
I'm curious if F1 2002 and/or GP4 will have the new track or the old
track.
dave henrie
"na_biker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:26:20 GMT, "Carl Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> >in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
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> ><sigh> > > > >http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml > > Well, one can think it's wrong or right or whatever. But when people > begin crying and whining about a "classic" being "butchered" it's just > getting ridiculous. :-/ Does "Autobahn" mean anything? > > Personally I think it's looking ok:ish apart from that extra twisty > back into the stadium. Shame is perhaps that it had it's character > that set it apart from other tracks with the woods and the straights > and all. But it's not like I'm going to cry a river that the > start-stop-start-stop-start-stop-start-stop backstretch is gone... >That is truly a shame.
What a butt ugly course.
"Carl Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
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> <sigh> > > http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml > > > >
"Carl Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
> <sigh>
>
> http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
That really is a shame. I realize the safety issues involved, but I really
hate to see all these twisties and chicanes with no high speed straights. A
good course should have a combination of all, imo.
Hock was emasculated by chicanes a long time ago. It was once a classic track in
the 60's style. I won't miss the chicanes at all. It's modern. It seems a lot
shorter than it needs to be. They've certainly got the real estate to work with.
Are there restrictions on development in the forests there?
Jim
Carl Smith wrote:
> Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1 race
> in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight are over
> <sigh>
>
> http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
"The Carvalho Family" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hock was emasculated by chicanes a long time ago. It was once a classictrack in
> the 60's style. I won't miss the chicanes at all. It's modern. It seems alot
> shorter than it needs to be. They've certainly got the real estate to workwith.
> Are there restrictions on development in the forests there?
>
> Jim From my understanding, the changes come right from the top. Bernie
Eccelstone was not satified with how LONG it took the cars to complete a
lap, don't know if he was addressing on-site fan concerns or TV appeal, but
they didn't shorten the track because of local or enviromental issues.
I too will NOT miss the chicanes....they put a false pretense to the track
since they did NOT create passing zones, merely forcing everyone to lineup
to clear the chicanes...which effectively limits passing further...
However, looking at that track map only very quickly, it would seem the
only 'passing' spot might be approaching the 180 degree hairpin at the back
edge of the new course.
dave henrie
dave henrie
>
> Carl Smith wrote:
>
> > Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> > in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
> > <sigh>
> >
> > http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml
>
Dave,
Oh, yeah. I forgot the "Bernie Factor!" My bet is TV rather than on-site. That's
where Bernie's real money comes from. It'll be interesting to see where they can
pass. Going into that hairpin does look like the best bet. The new layout also
gives them more places to put expensive seating.
Jim
Dave Henrie wrote:
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> From my understanding, the changes come right from the top. Bernie > Eccelstone was not satified with how LONG it took the cars to complete a > lap, don't know if he was addressing on-site fan concerns or TV appeal, but > they didn't shorten the track because of local or enviromental issues. > I too will NOT miss the chicanes....they put a false pretense to the track > since they did NOT create passing zones, merely forcing everyone to lineup > to clear the chicanes...which effectively limits passing further... > However, looking at that track map only very quickly, it would seem the > only 'passing' spot might be approaching the 180 degree hairpin at the back > edge of the new course. > dave henrie > dave henrie > > > > Carl Smith wrote: > > > > > Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1 > race > > > in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight are > over > > > <sigh> > > > > > > http://www.f1-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020324020837.shtml > >> Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002 F1race
> in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straight areover
> <sigh>
Good. I hate that track. It's one of the most boring in the F1 season. The
new version looks like it will be intertaining to watch and to race (in say
F1 2002). It will certainly make the infield more of a concern, where with
the old track, with the setups you had to run, you just tried to make it
through the infield as fast as you can with little to no downforce.
What do I know? Just my opinions.
No it's not just your opinion, I never liked the old track either.
"jlohman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Well, it looks like they'll have the renovations ready for the 2002F1
> race
> > in July. The days of going 350 km/h at the end of the back straightare
> over
> > <sigh>
>
> Good. I hate that track. It's one of the most boring in the F1 season.The
> new version looks like it will be intertaining to watch and to race(in say
> F1 2002). It will certainly make the infield more of a concern, wherewith
> the old track, with the setups you had to run, you just tried to makeit
> through the infield as fast as you can with little to no downforce.
> What do I know? Just my opinions.
>
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