RS Shifter Driver for N2002?

What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback on this from AL? TP

I'm at work so I cannot confirm or check this.... but are there not 3 "boxes" (on the left side between steering/gas/throttle/etc. and the gear setup...) - that allow you to choose what type of gear-setup you got? I.e sequential, direct selection or H-pattern.... I think you need to set it to H-pattern to get the car to go to neutral each time you move the stick out of gear.... -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VTGe8.9579$bs1.212837@sccrnsc01... > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > on this from AL? > > TP > >

Did you try the H-pattern option? that's intended for RS shifters and the like. Direct shifting requires a key to be assigned for neutral, while H-pattern will go to neutral whenever no other gears are selected. Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > on this from AL? > > TP

Tom Pabst wrote: > > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > on this from AL? Tom, I have my USB Shifter working fine in H pattern mode in 2002. BTW, in real nascar, do the drivers 'heel and toe' (with or without clutch?)? Or do they left foot brake and blip with the right? TIA Gerry

Many left foot brake, I know Tony Stewart does. Some right foot brake, but most don't clutch, there is so little done, and at the road courses most don't clutch either. "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any

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> > on this from AL? > > Tom, I have my USB Shifter working fine in H pattern mode in 2002. BTW, > in real nascar, do the drivers 'heel and toe' (with or without clutch?)? > Or do they left foot brake and blip with the right? > > TIA > > Gerry

Stuart Becktell wrote: > > Many left foot brake, I know Tony Stewart does. Some right foot brake, but > most don't clutch, there is so little done, and at the road courses most > don't clutch either. Cheers for the info, Stuart. Gerry

With the Jerico transmissions it really isn't required to use a clutch provided you are somewhat competant with rev matching. I would suspect most drivers don't use it [I say most because inevitably a driver will tell you he doesn't even though he may very well! Only telemetry will tell you the real answer! ;) ] As for the 'heel and toe' question, it really is a matter of personal style. A lot has to do with the background they have in racing. Many of the racers who started out in karts and graduated to road racing will left foot brake (ala Tony Stewart). This is largely because karts help you to develop the feel in the left foot that you need to properly modulate the brakes. Road racers are generally a lot smoother at shifting and have had plently of experience to develop the necessary feel for braking as well. Other drivers who have grown up racing stockcars during their career will tend to right foot brake (ala Rusty Wallace and Ricky Rudd) since they haven't developed the feel in the left foot; and have the left ready to engage the clutch should they get spun around. It can be learned but like anything it takes a fair bit of practice. Mike "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any

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> > on this from AL? > > Tom, I have my USB Shifter working fine in H pattern mode in 2002. BTW, > in real nascar, do the drivers 'heel and toe' (with or without clutch?)? > Or do they left foot brake and blip with the right? > > TIA > > Gerry

I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS is Win98SE. If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings -- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. Thanks. Bert Tom Pabst wrote:

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> What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > on this from AL? > > TP

I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS is Win98SE. If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings -- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. Thanks. Bert

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> What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > on this from AL? > TP

Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. (It works great in Rally Trophy, though!) Any help would be appreciated. Bert BRH wrote:

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> I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: > > Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use > the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if > the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to > move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, > I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. > > My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS > is Win98SE. > > If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using > multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings > -- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. > > BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. > > Thanks. > > Bert > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > > on this from AL? > > > > TP

Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. (It works great in Rally Trophy, though!) Any help would be appreciated. Bert

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> I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: > Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use > the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if > the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to > move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, > I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. > My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS > is Win98SE. > If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using > multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings > -- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. > BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. > Thanks. > Bert > > What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > > device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > > support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > > "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > > on this from AL? > > TP

BRH wrote: > > Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the > Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. You DON'T need to use the shifter utility in 2002, just use 'H pattern' setting in control options. Good luck Gerry

I don't think N4 or N2002 supports 3 controllers. At least I never got it to work. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:44:07 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> wrote:

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>I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: > >Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use >the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if >the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to >move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, >I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. > >My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS >is Win98SE. > >If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using >multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings >-- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. > >BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. > >Thanks. > >Bert > > > > > > >Tom Pabst wrote: > >> What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this >> device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct >> support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get >> "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback >> on this from AL? >> >> TP

RS shifter works great for me in NR2002 using H pattern, but my setup is not nearly as complex,, I only have a TSW2 and RS shifter... On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:44:13 -0500, Jean Deslauriers <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I don't think N4 or N2002 supports 3 controllers. > >At least I never got it to work. > > >On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:44:07 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> >wrote: > >>I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: >> >>Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use >>the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if >>the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to >>move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, >>I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. >> >>My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS >>is Win98SE. >> >>If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using >>multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings >>-- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. >> >>BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Bert >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Tom Pabst wrote: >> >>> What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this >>> device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct >>> support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get >>> "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback >>> on this from AL? >>> >>> TP >

Jean Deslauriers wrote: > > I don't think N4 or N2002 supports 3 controllers. > I have Redline pedals, Logi Momo and USB shifter working fine in N4 & N2002 > At least I never got it to work. Did you know that N4 & 2002 have more than one calibration screen? Sometimes a controller will not be on the first screen and you'll have to scroll to the second or third to see it. Gerry

Gerry, Thanks for your reply. I tried it without activating the shifter utility, but I still can't get it to work. I'm hoping that you can provide a bit more advice, as you were the only one who was able to help me with my pedal config problem in Rally Trophy (which DOES work well with the RS Shifter, and my controller configuration BTW). Back to NR2002: It seems that whenever I have the GPL USB Shifter activated as a controller in Device Manager (with or without activating the Shifter utility), my brake pedal becomes non-functional. It won't even calibrate. This happens in both N4 and NR2002. ..And it doesn't matter whether I have it set at sequential shifter or H-pattern. I have to "disable" the HID-compliant controller (the USB Shifter) "in this profile" (in Windows Device Manager) in order to make the brake pedal become functional again. Once again, I have the LWFF on ID#1, the GPL USB Shifter on ID#2 (when activated) and the TSW pedals on ID#3 in Win98SE. Any thought would be appreciated. Bert Gerry Aitken wrote:

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> BRH wrote: > > > > Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the > > Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. > > You DON'T need to use the shifter utility in 2002, just use 'H pattern' > setting in control options. > > Good luck > > Gerry

Gerry, Thanks for your reply. I tried it without activating the shifter utility, but I still can't get it to work. I'm hoping that you can provide a bit more advice, as you were the only one who was able to help me with my pedal config problem in Rally Trophy (which DOES work well with the RS Shifter, and my controller configuration BTW). Back to NR2002: It seems that whenever I have the GPL USB Shifter activated as a controller in Device Manager (with or without activating the Shifter utility), my brake pedal becomes non-functional. It won't even calibrate. This happens in both N4 and NR2002. ..And it doesn't matter whether I have it set at sequential shifter or H-pattern. I have to "disable" the HID-compliant controller (the USB Shifter) "in this profile" (in Windows Device Manager) in order to make the brake pedal become functional again. Once again, I have the LWFF on ID#1, the GPL USB Shifter on ID#2 (when activated) and the TSW pedals on ID#3 in Win98SE. Any thought would be appreciated. Bert

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> > Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the > > Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. > You DON'T need to use the shifter utility in 2002, just use 'H pattern' > setting in control options. > Good luck > Gerry

BRH wrote: > Once again, I have the LWFF on ID#1, the GPL USB Shifter on ID#2 (when activated) and > the TSW pedals on ID#3 in Win98SE. Try this: TSW on ID#1, LWFF on ID#2 and Shifter on ID#3. The shifter must be interfering with ID#2, so if the LWFF in there it won't matter if it's brake or throttle are screwed. LWFF runs fine on ID#2, BTW. Gerry

There is a bug in the release version of NR2002S if you have 3 controllers or more attached that causes some axes to disappear. It will be fixed in the patch. Grant. BRH wrote:

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> > Gerry, > > Thanks for your reply. I tried it without activating the shifter utility, but I still > can't get it to work. I'm hoping that you can provide a bit more advice, as you were > the only one who was able to help me with my pedal config problem in Rally Trophy > (which DOES work well with the RS Shifter, and my controller configuration BTW). > > Back to NR2002: It seems that whenever I have the GPL USB Shifter activated as a > controller in Device Manager (with or without activating the Shifter utility), my > brake pedal becomes non-functional. It won't even calibrate. This happens in both N4 > and NR2002. ..And it doesn't matter whether I have it set at sequential shifter or > H-pattern. I have to "disable" the HID-compliant controller (the USB Shifter) "in > this profile" (in Windows Device Manager) in order to make the brake pedal become > functional again. > > Once again, I have the LWFF on ID#1, the GPL USB Shifter on ID#2 (when activated) and > the TSW pedals on ID#3 in Win98SE. > > Any thought would be appreciated. > Bert > > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > BRH wrote: > > > > > > Left out one little bit of info......I just downloaded the latest version of the > > > Shifter Utility (2.1). I still can't get it to work in either N4 or NR2002. > > > > You DON'T need to use the shifter utility in 2002, just use 'H pattern' > > setting in control options. > > > > Good luck > > > > Gerry

First, you MUST use the direct driver in NR2002, for the USB Shifter to work.. Second, *on my system*, the shifter MUST be number 1 (Controller #1) in the "Windows--> Control panel--> Joystick" screen.. Also, I didn't need to use the shifter utility.. Make sure your systems bios has the USB decives "enabled" and when you first plug it in you should get the "Found new hardware" screen, where it installs the USB driver.. (Think I saw in one of your posts where your disabling this?) Anyway, let windows install the driver, and then make the shifter controller #1 in the Joystick section. Then go to the Joystick's "properties" and see if you can go through all the buttons 1-8, by shifting.. Once that works, go into the game and pick the "Direct Driver"..Then on into the car.. See if that does it.. Good Luck! Mick Jean Deslauriers wrote:

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> I don't think N4 or N2002 supports 3 controllers. > > At least I never got it to work. > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:44:07 GMT, BRH <"bertrh<no-spam>"@attbi.com> > wrote: > > >I had this same problem in N4, but let me ask again for N2002: > > > >Has anyone gotten the USB shifter to work with this sim? Whenever I try to use > >the shifter, I can put the car in gear, but when I give it throttle, it's as if > >the brakes are fully locked. In other words, the car looks like it tries to > >move forward (it lurches a few inches) but is stuck in place. When in neutral, > >I can rev the throttle, but once in gear, I can't. > > > >My system has an LWFF on ID#1, the Shifter on ID#2 and TSW pedals on ID#3. OS > >is Win98SE. > > > >If anyone has the shifter working in NR2002 (especially if you're using > >multiple controllers), I would appreciate your posting your specific settings > >-- both within the shifter utility and within NR2002. > > > >BTW -- This set-up works perfectly in GPL. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tom Pabst wrote: > > > >> What am I missing....is N2002 not supporting "direct support" for this > >> device? I don't see N2002 listed at the Act Labs site as having direct > >> support.....and while you can get it to work in N2002.....you can get > >> "neutral" to be recognized (at least I can't figure out how). Any feedback > >> on this from AL? > >> > >> TP