I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows:
Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+
ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB
GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked at
470Mhz Core)
Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro
Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't really
matter here.
My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 before.
1280X1024 all options in-game at max.
Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a
_minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times.
This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy.
Just FYI...
I'll be installing rFactor this weekend.
Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great.
If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the Microsoft
Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. Neither come
with motherboards or the processor.
-Larry
you should link to those files you are talking about (that way I can use
google to find it when I finally do my upgrade)
Larry enlightened us with:
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> I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows: > > Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+ > ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB > GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked > at 470Mhz Core) > Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro > > Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't > really matter here. > > My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 > before. 1280X1024 all options in-game at max. > > Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a > _minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times. > > This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy. > > Just FYI... > > I'll be installing rFactor this weekend. > > Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great. > > If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the > Microsoft Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. > Neither come with motherboards or the processor. > > -Larry
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm very happy for you, that you get such high frames. Not sure what the
difference is between 40 and 80, though.
I'm also glad to see you have everything up to the complete maximum.
Actually, what was the purpose of this post? To show us your rig and high
frames?
I think it's pretty obvious that with a newer computer you're going to get
high frames, no matter if you play the game under water. 8xAA and 16x As
and all that crap-- why not say, "Hey, I got me a new computer and see how
good it is!"
I do not actually see any other purpose for this post, seriously.
And that final little "Just FYI..." leads me to believe that the purpose of
this post was just to toot your own horn.
You can kill me now. :)
Alanb
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|I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows: | | Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+ | ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB | GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked at | 470Mhz Core) | Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro | | Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't really | matter here. | | My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 before. | 1280X1024 all options in-game at max. | | Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a | _minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times. | | This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy. | | Just FYI... | | I'll be installing rFactor this weekend. | | Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great. | | If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the Microsoft | Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. Neither come | with motherboards or the processor. | | -Larry |I don't have the links any more (I have the files) but....
The AMD Processor Driver for X2 is on their web site.
The MS Patch is WindowsXP-KB896256-v3-x86-ENU.exe
There is a major Sticky over at HardOCP.com on this subject with all the
info, links, etc...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=983781
That should do it :)
-Larry
"PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> you should link to those files you are talking about (that way I can use > google to find it when I finally do my upgrade) > > Larry enlightened us with: >> I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows: >> >> Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+ >> ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB >> GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked >> at 470Mhz Core) >> Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro >> >> Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't >> really matter here. >> >> My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 >> before. 1280X1024 all options in-game at max. >> >> Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a >> _minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times. >> >> This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy. >> >> Just FYI... >> >> I'll be installing rFactor this weekend. >> >> Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great. >> >> If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the >> Microsoft Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. >> Neither come with motherboards or the processor. >> >> -Larry > >Sorry I pissed in your wheaties there, Alan. You may now disregard the
post.
My intention was to show that there IS life left in NR2003, and it can get
better with newer hardware.
Have a nice day.
-Larry
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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ZnJEf.153389$oG.73743@dukeread02... > |I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows: > | > | Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+ > | ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB > | GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked at > | 470Mhz Core) > | Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro > | > | Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't really > | matter here. > | > | My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 before. > | 1280X1024 all options in-game at max. > | > | Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a > | _minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times. > | > | This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy. > | > | Just FYI... > | > | I'll be installing rFactor this weekend. > | > | Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great. > | > | If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the > Microsoft > | Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. Neither > come > | with motherboards or the processor. > | > | -Larry > | > > I'm very happy for you, that you get such high frames. Not sure what the > difference is between 40 and 80, though. > > I'm also glad to see you have everything up to the complete maximum. > > Actually, what was the purpose of this post? To show us your rig and high > frames? > > I think it's pretty obvious that with a newer computer you're going to get > high frames, no matter if you play the game under water. 8xAA and 16x As > and all that crap-- why not say, "Hey, I got me a new computer and see how > good it is!" > > I do not actually see any other purpose for this post, seriously. > > And that final little "Just FYI..." leads me to believe that the purpose > of > this post was just to toot your own horn. > > You can kill me now. :) > > Alanb > >Ive been up near 100FPS in NR2003 at max for nearly a couple years now.
Your other rig must have had issues of some sort if you were only getting
40FPS (though it spec'd ok).
Any upgrade I would do now (which Im not) wouldnt do much if anything for
NR2003. I dont see a need unless I drop below 60FPS which Im well above in
all titles except Lockon. rFactor might see a bit of improvement in quality
but not enough to warrant the kind of cash required for that upg (not that I
know what you paid but I can guess hehe).
Honestly the guys I want to hear from is the guy who can stretch the useful
life of his gaming PC the longest between upg's not the shortest ;)
Nice rig though. Im more curious why you went dual core this round? Other
than a few rare titles what can take advantage of the 2nd core? Hertz is
still king imo.
Mitch
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> My intention was to show that there IS life left in NR2003, and it can get
> better with newer hardware.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> -Larry
Well, since I was doing the upgrade and had to go with a new MB due to the
PCIe thing, I decided to just "do it all" and now I can go back to
piece-meal upgrades as needed.
I don't see anything that should need upgrading in at least a year though.
I pretty much tapped this one out.
I usually go for the "2nd best" of each item to save a little money, but I
said screw it this time :)
I live at this machine some 14 hours a day. It is my work machine every
day, and my play machine at night. Why screw around :)
My only objection in this system would be the A8N32-SLI deluxe MB. It's
fine for me as I'm only running one Video Card (SLI is a bit over-the-top
for me), and only one PCI card (the sound card).
Anything more than that and I would have to recommend others look to a
different MB. Maybe the ABIT if 16x SLI was wanted.
The problem is the slot arrangements. Man, it is REALLY tight, and if
anyone wanted to run SLI on this board, for which it is marketed for (one of
the few dual-16x boards on the market) you can totally forget about using
ANY PCI card at all. There just isn't room, and if you did manage to get it
in there, it would all probably overheat.
It's a nice board. It's perfect for me. I just think those running SLI and
PCI at the same time would have a terrible time with it.
-Larry
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> Ive been up near 100FPS in NR2003 at max for nearly a couple years now. > Your other rig must have had issues of some sort if you were only getting > 40FPS (though it spec'd ok). > > Any upgrade I would do now (which Im not) wouldnt do much if anything for > NR2003. I dont see a need unless I drop below 60FPS which Im well above > in all titles except Lockon. rFactor might see a bit of improvement in > quality but not enough to warrant the kind of cash required for that upg > (not that I know what you paid but I can guess hehe). > > Honestly the guys I want to hear from is the guy who can stretch the > useful life of his gaming PC the longest between upg's not the shortest ;) > > Nice rig though. Im more curious why you went dual core this round? > Other than a few rare titles what can take advantage of the 2nd core? > Hertz is still king imo. > > Mitch > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> My intention was to show that there IS life left in NR2003, and it can >> get better with newer hardware. >> >> Have a nice day. >> >> -Larry > >The low framerates may have been a problem I saw on my x64 rig. I have
a 6800 Ultra AGP, and I couldn't understand why I was getting low
framerates after dusting off NR2003 - turns out AGP aperture set to
256mb was the problem - set it to 128mb and framerates nearly doubled -
GTL seems much smoother too, but I haven't benched.
I can't remember why I had it set that high - 1/2 the card memory seems
to be the proper setting for any card.
Now when I get my X1900XT :)... (provided my friend is still seduced by
the GTL videos and buys my 6800).
Maybe Larry actually uses his gaming PC for real work, and that's why
he got the dual core - me, I just use another PC :).
I have heard that there are some gains being coded into the video card
drivers for dual core, and a few sims (Falcon 4's latest incarnation)
are supposed to really take advantage of it.
I don't know what Alan's problem is - I find these posts useful
information. If you're considering an upgrade, and someone has already
built a system with the specs you are considering it can be very useful
to see what kind of framerates they get - especially as most HW review
sites totally ignore racing sims (NFS: Underground?!).
Kendt
>Honestly the guys I want to hear from is the guy who can stretch the useful
>life of his gaming PC the longest between upg's not the shortest ;)
Doom3 on a Voodoo2 good enough for you, Mitch ;)?
http://www.firingsquad.com/media/gallery_index.asp?media_id=244
Kendt (who still has a Voodoo5 waiting to go in a 'classic games' PC)
Larry wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I should be installing my new X2 4400+ in my new
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum this weekend.
--
Don Burnette
"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the
way of the person that's doing it."
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> I did an upgrade on my system this week as follows: > > Athlon 64 3500 to an Athlon-64 X2 4800+ > ASUS A8V MB to an ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB > GeForce 6800 GT AGP to an GeForce 7800GTX PCIe (eVGA factory clocked > at 470Mhz Core) > Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro to Creative X-Fi Elite Pro > > Also upgraded Power Supply, RAM and Hard Drive, but that doesn't > really matter here. > > My Frame Rates in NR2003 with 2x AA and 16x AS were around 40-60 > before. 1280X1024 all options in-game at max. > > Now with 8xAA and 16xAS and all options in-game at max I'm seeing a > _minimum_ of 80, and it is well over 100 most times. > > This was just a basic test I did prior to the upgrade. Nothing fancy. > > Just FYI... > > I'll be installing rFactor this weekend. > > Half-Life 2 pre-set all settings at the max and looks great. > > If you get an X2, don't forget to install the AMD patch and the > Microsoft Patch to prevent stuttering in games due to the dual-cores. > Neither come with motherboards or the processor. > > -LarryHow much for that 6800? I might be interested...
I think I should mention guys, the frame rates I listed were worse case :)
-Larry
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> The low framerates may have been a problem I saw on my x64 rig. I have > a 6800 Ultra AGP, and I couldn't understand why I was getting low > framerates after dusting off NR2003 - turns out AGP aperture set to > 256mb was the problem - set it to 128mb and framerates nearly doubled - > GTL seems much smoother too, but I haven't benched. > I can't remember why I had it set that high - 1/2 the card memory seems > to be the proper setting for any card. > Now when I get my X1900XT :)... (provided my friend is still seduced by > the GTL videos and buys my 6800). > Maybe Larry actually uses his gaming PC for real work, and that's why > he got the dual core - me, I just use another PC :). > I have heard that there are some gains being coded into the video card > drivers for dual core, and a few sims (Falcon 4's latest incarnation) > are supposed to really take advantage of it. > I don't know what Alan's problem is - I find these posts useful > information. If you're considering an upgrade, and someone has already > built a system with the specs you are considering it can be very useful > to see what kind of framerates they get - especially as most HW review > sites totally ignore racing sims (NFS: Underground?!). > > Kendt >I paid $300 - I was looking for $250 from my friend, and I was going to
include building + tweaking his system as well. I couldn't go for less
than that really and justify getting an X1900.
In all honesty, though, nVidia just annouced the 7800GS AGP, which will
probably be the fastest (and lastest) AGP top end card. It'll probably
go for something over $300. Couldn't sell mine without mentioning that
option as well.
Kendt
Just read some benches on the 7800GS:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686
Surprising - It was stomped by an ATIX850 in most benches. Looks like
this isn't just a 7800GT with an AGP bus.
you guys ever notice the reviews anymore, seem to be worthless? compare the
7800 gs to the PCI gt? So they proving that pci is better? wtf, im trying
to decide if the agp solution is better than what I have or what else is
available, sheesh.
yeah, I see and agree they needed to sho the pci e equivalent, but it should
have but then should have included more of the available AGP solutions, that
way I could decide where my 4600 or 6600 or 6800 or what not chices fall
compared to the 7800gs...
right now I am seeing that AGP just sucks on bang per buck, pretty much.
might was well spend the dough on new system, but that is just me I guess.
[email hidden] enlightened us with:
> Just read some benches on the 7800GS:
> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686
>
> Surprising - It was stomped by an ATIX850 in most benches. Looks like
> this isn't just a 7800GT with an AGP bus.
On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:36:59 -0600, PlowBoy wrote:
> you guys ever notice the reviews anymore, seem to be worthless? compare the
> 7800 gs to the PCI gt? So they proving that pci is better? wtf, im trying
> to decide if the agp solution is better than what I have or what else is
> available, sheesh.
>
d'em pays for the ads, d'em gets da good review: The eternal law of
commercial publishing ;)
Cheers, uwe
--
GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
AGP has taken the biggest flush down the toilet that I've ever seen with a
technology.
One minute, we're seeing rants and raves about AGP GeForce 6800 Ultra's and
then, suddenly, silence... Nothing...
-Larry
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> you guys ever notice the reviews anymore, seem to be worthless? compare > the 7800 gs to the PCI gt? So they proving that pci is better? wtf, im > trying to decide if the agp solution is better than what I have or what > else is available, sheesh. > > yeah, I see and agree they needed to sho the pci e equivalent, but it > should have but then should have included more of the available AGP > solutions, that way I could decide where my 4600 or 6600 or 6800 or what > not chices fall compared to the 7800gs... > > right now I am seeing that AGP just sucks on bang per buck, pretty much. > might was well spend the dough on new system, but that is just me I guess. > [email hidden] enlightened us with: >> Just read some benches on the 7800GS: >> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686 >> >> Surprising - It was stomped by an ATIX850 in most benches. Looks like >> this isn't just a 7800GT with an AGP bus. > >Try looking at this article, as it may have what you're looking for. They do
their comparo's to a bunch of older stuff, so you can get a pretty decent
feel as to how your aging agp card stacks up to the newest whiz bang
release. It looks like I could get a HUGE increase in performance just by
upgrading my 9800 Pro, and not have to upgrade the whole shebang until at
least next year.
Anyway, here's the linkage:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_7800_gs_co_superclock_review/
--
See ya in the pits,
Dean
I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
long it's been since I've forgotten anything.
"PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> you guys ever notice the reviews anymore, seem to be worthless? compare
> the 7800 gs to the PCI gt? So they proving that pci is better? wtf, im
> trying to decide if the agp solution is better than what I have or what
> else is available, sheesh.
>
> yeah, I see and agree they needed to sho the pci e equivalent, but it
> should have but then should have included more of the available AGP
> solutions, that way I could decide where my 4600 or 6600 or 6800 or what
> not chices fall compared to the 7800gs...
>
> right now I am seeing that AGP just sucks on bang per buck, pretty much.
> might was well spend the dough on new system, but that is just me I guess.
> [email hidden] enlightened us with:
>> Just read some benches on the 7800GS:
>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2686
>>
>> Surprising - It was stomped by an ATIX850 in most benches. Looks like
>> this isn't just a 7800GT with an AGP bus.
>
>
