ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
Proposed GPL track turns into hillclimb comparisons
Rich#8 suggested the Mid-America Motorplex layout as a GPL track, which was quickly dismissed, with David Buttery pushing for Oulton Park instead. The thread drifted into a friendly comparison of the Shelsley Walsh and Pikes Peak hillclimbs, including record times and rally cars on the mountain.
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ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
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<Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
> ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
>
> http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002:
> ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
>
> http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting
high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests
building it or something? <g>
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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I guess that wraps up the thread then :-)
MS
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> No. > > <Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > >
"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote ...
> I guess that wraps up the thread then :-)
>
> MSGood enough for me.
Looks like a Scalextric layout to me...
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> "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qx%Z7.20186$[email hidden]... > > No. > > > > <Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > >In article <qx%Z7.20186$[email hidden]>, "Stephen Smith"
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>No.
>
><Rich#8> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
>> ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
>>
>> http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
Why not?
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If I'm not mistaken, that is the F1 circuit at Indy. Guess the author is
just trying to fool us :)
Alan
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> Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests > building it or something? <g> >OOPS! No, just looked at the F1 Indy curcuit. It's not that
Sorryeeee
Alan
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> > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > > > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting > > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests > > building it or something? <g> > > > If I'm not mistaken, that is the F1 circuit at Indy. Guess the author is > just trying to fool us :) > > Alan > >But close enuf that you can understand my initial response.
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> OOPS! No, just looked at the F1 Indy curcuit. It's not that > Sorryeeee > > Alan > > "Alan Coates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:anf_7.5175$[email hidden]... > > > > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > > > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > > > > > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting > > > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests > > > building it or something? <g> > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, that is the F1 circuit at Indy. Guess the author is > > just trying to fool us :) > > > > Alan > > > > > >
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"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002:
>
> > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !!
> >
> > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
>
> No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting
> high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests
> building it or something? <g>
WRONG!!
WRONG!!
WRONG!!
Watkins Glen WITH the Boot! should be next ;-)
Michael Barlow ([email hidden]) wrote on 07 Jan 2002:
> WRONG!!
> WRONG!!
> WRONG!!
> Watkins Glen WITH the Boot! should be next ;-)
Who cares about a small alteration (not even a new track) some track in a
country that thinks NASCAR is a proper sport? <g>
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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Or one that thinks Shelsley Walsh is a hillclimb. Now, Pike's Peak, THAT'S
a hillclimb!
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> Michael Barlow ([email hidden]) wrote on 07 Jan 2002: > > > WRONG!! > > WRONG!! > > WRONG!! > > Watkins Glen WITH the Boot! should be next ;-) > > Who cares about a small alteration (not even a new track) some track in a > country that thinks NASCAR is a proper sport? <g> > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.comStephen Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 08 Jan 2002:
> Or one that thinks Shelsley Walsh is a hillclimb. Now, Pike's
> Peak, THAT'S a hillclimb!
Hah! Pathetic - at Shelsley, losing 0.2s usually loses you the contest.
*That's* hillclimbing. :-)
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Damn straight! (no pun intended) =) Replicate the old change of
surface coming out of the boot, that would be fun! If you look hard enough
you might be able to still find parts of my GT-1 sitting around there
<VBG>
Scott
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> > > -- > Michael A. Barlow > FILSCA (www.filsca.com) > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > > > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, hosting > > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests > > building it or something? <g> > > WRONG!! > WRONG!! > WRONG!! > Watkins Glen WITH the Boot! should be next ;-) > > At Pike's Peak losing 2 inches off the line hooks your rear tire in a
ditch and catapults you to your death. Thats a Hill Climb. (happened just
this past year btw)
dave henrie
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> Stephen Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 08 Jan 2002: > > > Or one that thinks Shelsley Walsh is a hillclimb. Now, Pike's > > Peak, THAT'S a hillclimb! > > Hah! Pathetic - at Shelsley, losing 0.2s usually loses you the contest. > *That's* hillclimbing. :-) > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.comYea! WE Americans LOVE to see people die...oh wait...
-Stuart Becktell
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> At Pike's Peak losing 2 inches off the line hooks your rear tire in a
> ditch and catapults you to your death. Thats a Hill Climb. (happenedjust
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> this past year btw) > dave henrie > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Stephen Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 08 Jan 2002: > > > > > Or one that thinks Shelsley Walsh is a hillclimb. Now, Pike's > > > Peak, THAT'S a hillclimb! > > > > Hah! Pathetic - at Shelsley, losing 0.2s usually loses you the contest. > > *That's* hillclimbing. :-) > > > > -- > > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > >The first part of the track is somewhat like it, but you lose it after, at
best, the 5th turn. The indy track has a lot more turns at the front part,
and a lot less at the end. It is basically (VERY BASICALLY) an oval.
The only thing that would make this track fairly easy to replicate is
the fact that this is a blue print of the track, so not much guessing would
be required.
"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests
> > > > building it or something? <g>
> > > >
> > > If I'm not mistaken, that is the F1 circuit at Indy. Guess the authoris
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> But close enuf that you can understand my initial response. > > "Alan Coates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:erf_7.9146$[email hidden]... > > OOPS! No, just looked at the F1 Indy curcuit. It's not that > > Sorryeeee > > > > Alan > > > > "Alan Coates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:anf_7.5175$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > > > > > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > > > > > http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg > > > > > > > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around,Quoted text (9 lines)
> > > just trying to fool us :) > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > >Blueprints do not an accurate track make (Spa--or, more specifically,
Malmedy--being the most egregious case in point).
"Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The first part of the track is somewhat like it, but you lose it after, at
> best, the 5th turn. The indy track has a lot more turns at the front part,
> and a lot less at the end. It is basically (VERY BASICALLY) an oval.
> The only thing that would make this track fairly easy to replicate is
> the fact that this is a blue print of the track, so not much guessingwould
http://www.midamericamotorplex.com/Images/Track/diagram_large.jpg
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> be required. > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:txh_7.21223$[email hidden]... > > But close enuf that you can understand my initial response. > > > > "Alan Coates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:erf_7.9146$[email hidden]... > > > OOPS! No, just looked at the F1 Indy curcuit. It's not that > > > Sorryeeee > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > "Alan Coates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:anf_7.5175$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Rich#8 () wrote on 06 Jan 2002: > > > > > > > > > > > ya gotta love that 2222ft straight !! > > > > > > > > > > > >Quoted text (7 lines)
> > > > > > > > > > No - it should be *O*U*L*T*O*N*P*A*R*K*!!!!! which was around, > hosting > > > > > high-level races, at the right time. Where *is* it - are the Wests > > > > > building it or something? <g> > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken, that is the F1 circuit at Indy. Guess theQuoted text (12 lines)
> is > > > > just trying to fool us :) > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 08 Jan 2002:
> At Pike's Peak losing 2 inches off the line hooks your rear tire
> in a
> ditch and catapults you to your death. Thats a Hill Climb.
> (happened just this past year btw)
Sounds a laugh a minute...
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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10 minutes..just a shade over. You want a hill climb or just a fast drive
up a shallow grade????
dave henrie
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> --
> "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
> really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
>
> The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com
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> Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 08 Jan 2002: > > > At Pike's Peak losing 2 inches off the line hooks your rear tire > > in a > > ditch and catapults you to your death. Thats a Hill Climb. > > (happened just this past year btw) > > Sounds a laugh a minute...Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 09 Jan 2002:
> 10 minutes..just a shade over. You want a hill climb or just a
> fast drive
> up a shallow grade????
> dave henrie
I don't think 1 in 6 is *that* shallow! They're two different events,
really, though. This argument (yeah, I know, I started it) is like
comparing a tarmac rally stage with a drag race.
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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That's where I was headed next....all this talk of PP got me thinking, how
would a modern WRC car do running up that? Since the fastest rigs are like
hybrid car/trucks...I wonder if Rallye cars would be competitive. Now I'll
have to start digging through finishing results to see if anyone has taken a
Rallye car to PP.
dave henrie
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> Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 09 Jan 2002: > > > 10 minutes..just a shade over. You want a hill climb or just a > > fast drive > > up a shallow grade???? > > dave henrie > > I don't think 1 in 6 is *that* shallow! They're two different events, > really, though. This argument (yeah, I know, I started it) is like > comparing a tarmac rally stage with a drag race. > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:
> That's where I was headed next....all this talk of PP got me thinking, how
> would a modern WRC car do running up that? Since the fastest rigs are like
> hybrid car/trucks...I wonder if Rallye cars would be competitive. Now I'll
> have to start digging through finishing results to see if anyone has taken a
> Rallye car to PP.
I think Norwegian Rally Cross legend Martin Schanche used to take his
HP monster to PP some ten years ago. Not a Rally car though, but related.
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> dave henrie > "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 09 Jan 2002: > > > > > 10 minutes..just a shade over. You want a hill climb or just a > > > fast drive > > > up a shallow grade???? > > > dave henrie > > > > I don't think 1 in 6 is *that* shallow! They're two different events, > > really, though. This argument (yeah, I know, I started it) is like > > comparing a tarmac rally stage with a drag race. > > > > -- > > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com > >Dave Henrie ([email hidden]) wrote on 09 Jan 2002:
> That's where I was headed next....all this talk of PP got me
> thinking, how
> would a modern WRC car do running up that? Since the fastest rigs
> are like hybrid car/trucks...I wonder if Rallye cars would be
> competitive. Now I'll have to start digging through finishing
> results to see if anyone has taken a Rallye car to PP.
No idea, but I can tell you that the closed-car record at Shelsley is
held by Tom Hammonds' Audi Sports S1 Quattro (generally known as the
"whistling Audi") at 28.58s (cf Graeme Wight Jr's outright record of
25.28s in a single-seater). Hannu Mikkola once went up the hill in much
the same car, but sadly it was too long ago for me to have seen it -
I'd have loved to have been there!
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really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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In article <yuY_7.8034$[email hidden]>,
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:
> That's where I was headed next....all this talk of PP got me thinking, how
>would a modern WRC car do running up that? Since the fastest rigs are like
>hybrid car/trucks...I wonder if Rallye cars would be competitive. Now I'll
>have to start digging through finishing results to see if anyone has taken a
>Rallye car to PP.
I think Michele Mouton set an overall record about ten years ago in the Audi
Quattro Sport. Since then the cars contesting the unlimited crown are more
like prototype sports cars, lots of ground effects and such.
Don McCorkle
