NR2003 Daytona Qualifying

Hi all, Probably one that's been answered before but Google turns nothing up for me ..... I've signed up for the 'online 500' as I really love racing in the middle of the night ;) Using the standard VH qual setup, I get consistent 47.35s at the original track and this slightly modified one. Checking last year's results and others' practice so far this year, it looks like the top 40 will be well in the 47.2s with many in the 47.1s. Given that when I hit my 47.35s I have not a hint of tyre squeal, or any other problem, it strikes me that there is some other technique to this that I'm just too thick to work out. I would appreciate some advice from anyone out there who can qual well at Daytona - I always race pretty well there but might not even get the chance if I don't improve the qualifying. Thanks in anticipation :) Regards

Most fast quals at Daytona/Dega require a first-lap throw-away. I know you Neil, you're pretty smart and I suspect you are already doing that :) -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dopcm6$4cl$[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > Probably one that's been answered before but Google turns nothing up for > me ..... > > I've signed up for the 'online 500' as I really love racing in the middle > of the night ;) Using the standard VH qual setup, I get consistent 47.35s > at the original track and this slightly modified one. Checking last year's > results and others' practice so far this year, it looks like the top 40 > will be well in the 47.2s with many in the 47.1s. > > Given that when I hit my 47.35s I have not a hint of tyre squeal, or any > other problem, it strikes me that there is some other technique to this > that I'm just too thick to work out. I would appreciate some advice from > anyone out there who can qual well at Daytona - I always race pretty well > there but might not even get the chance if I don't improve the qualifying. > > Thanks in anticipation :) > > Regards >

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ap4sf.44053$oG.34703@dukeread02...

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> Most fast quals at Daytona/Dega require a first-lap throw-away. > > I know you Neil, you're pretty smart and I suspect you are already doing > that :) > > -Larry >

Thanks for the compliment Larry ;) Infortunately, although I had figured that out, I actually end up a fraction slower when I dick about on the first lap. Keep working at it I guess :) Regards

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> "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dopcm6$4cl$[email hidden]... >> Hi all, >> >> Probably one that's been answered before but Google turns nothing up for >> me ..... >> >> I've signed up for the 'online 500' as I really love racing in the middle >> of the night ;) Using the standard VH qual setup, I get consistent 47.35s >> at the original track and this slightly modified one. Checking last >> year's results and others' practice so far this year, it looks like the >> top 40 will be well in the 47.2s with many in the 47.1s. >> >> Given that when I hit my 47.35s I have not a hint of tyre squeal, or any >> other problem, it strikes me that there is some other technique to this >> that I'm just too thick to work out. I would appreciate some advice from >> anyone out there who can qual well at Daytona - I always race pretty well >> there but might not even get the chance if I don't improve the >> qualifying. >> >> Thanks in anticipation :) >> >> Regards >> > >

Another thing on this. If the race isn't fixed setups, you'll probably not win the pole, and likely can't win a race. Open setup races, especially those at Dega and Tona, are owned by those that have figured out the setup 'cheat' in the sim. I don't know what it is either, but I believe it has to using extreme amounts of camber. For this reason I never run open setup Dega or Tona races any more online. -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dor7ok$2fk$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ap4sf.44053$oG.34703@dukeread02... >> Most fast quals at Daytona/Dega require a first-lap throw-away. >> >> I know you Neil, you're pretty smart and I suspect you are already doing >> that :) >> >> -Larry >> > > Thanks for the compliment Larry ;) Infortunately, although I had figured > that out, I actually end up a fraction slower when I dick about on the > first lap. Keep working at it I guess :) > > Regards > >> "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:dopcm6$4cl$[email hidden]... >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Probably one that's been answered before but Google turns nothing up for >>> me ..... >>> >>> I've signed up for the 'online 500' as I really love racing in the >>> middle of the night ;) Using the standard VH qual setup, I get >>> consistent 47.35s at the original track and this slightly modified one. >>> Checking last year's results and others' practice so far this year, it >>> looks like the top 40 will be well in the 47.2s with many in the 47.1s. >>> >>> Given that when I hit my 47.35s I have not a hint of tyre squeal, or any >>> other problem, it strikes me that there is some other technique to this >>> that I'm just too thick to work out. I would appreciate some advice from >>> anyone out there who can qual well at Daytona - I always race pretty >>> well there but might not even get the chance if I don't improve the >>> qualifying. >>> >>> Thanks in anticipation :) >>> >>> Regards >>> >> >> > >

"Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x1csf.44068$oG.4513@dukeread02...

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> Another thing on this. If the race isn't fixed setups, you'll probably > not win the pole, and likely can't win a race. > > Open setup races, especially those at Dega and Tona, are owned by those > that have figured out the setup 'cheat' in the sim. > > I don't know what it is either, but I believe it has to using extreme > amounts of camber. > > For this reason I never run open setup Dega or Tona races any more online. > > -Larry >

Now you really cheered me up ;) Regards

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> "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dor7ok$2fk$[email hidden]... >> >> "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:ap4sf.44053$oG.34703@dukeread02... >>> Most fast quals at Daytona/Dega require a first-lap throw-away. >>> >>> I know you Neil, you're pretty smart and I suspect you are already doing >>> that :) >>> >>> -Larry >>> >> >> Thanks for the compliment Larry ;) Infortunately, although I had figured >> that out, I actually end up a fraction slower when I dick about on the >> first lap. Keep working at it I guess :) >> >> Regards >> >>> "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> news:dopcm6$4cl$[email hidden]... >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Probably one that's been answered before but Google turns nothing up >>>> for me ..... >>>> >>>> I've signed up for the 'online 500' as I really love racing in the >>>> middle of the night ;) Using the standard VH qual setup, I get >>>> consistent 47.35s at the original track and this slightly modified one. >>>> Checking last year's results and others' practice so far this year, it >>>> looks like the top 40 will be well in the 47.2s with many in the 47.1s. >>>> >>>> Given that when I hit my 47.35s I have not a hint of tyre squeal, or >>>> any other problem, it strikes me that there is some other technique to >>>> this that I'm just too thick to work out. I would appreciate some >>>> advice from anyone out there who can qual well at Daytona - I always >>>> race pretty well there but might not even get the chance if I don't >>>> improve the qualifying. >>>> >>>> Thanks in anticipation :) >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Yeah, it's a shame. I KNEW something was up a few years ago when after NR2003 was released I couldn't get a pole or a win to save my ass (short of our fun fixed Rascar Runs with Tim pushing me to the line :)) I've been a Dega head since NR2 on TEN, and have hundreds of thousands of laps there. I was thoroughly capable of getting a pole or win as much as the next skilled guy. That all ended suddenly with NR2003, and then I understood when I started hearing the jabbering about the funky setup thing. I can do fine in fixed races. I just don't know the 'secret' when it comes to open setup races. Let's face it, making a setup for Dega/Tona ain't the most challanging thing in the world :) And don't get me started on the "Hybrid" setups that started appearing shortly after release. -Larry "Neil Charlton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dorm74$4kg$[email hidden]...

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> > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:x1csf.44068$oG.4513@dukeread02... >> Another thing on this. If the race isn't fixed setups, you'll probably >> not win the pole, and likely can't win a race. >> >> Open setup races, especially those at Dega and Tona, are owned by those >> that have figured out the setup 'cheat' in the sim. >> >> I don't know what it is either, but I believe it has to using extreme >> amounts of camber. >> >> For this reason I never run open setup Dega or Tona races any more >> online. >> >> -Larry >> > > Now you really cheered me up ;) > > Regards