GPL - The best game in the world

I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 mistakes. The reason behind every last mistake I made was the inability to tell how much brake pressure I had, how far I was from the apex, and how much steering angle I was using. I can't tell you how much fun that was. I was going to list every game I've played that allows that sort of silly information to be transmitted to the driver when I realized it would take much less time to simply list the games which don't offer such trivial feedback as sense of speed, acceleration, and position: GPL Nx ICR I can hardly wait for the next papy game. Hopefully it will be something I've always wanted, maybe CanAm or the 1990 F1 season or WSC or ALM. That would be really cool. It would suck if one of the premier series was represented by one of those awful realistic and accurate games. You know, the kind that relay all the pertinent information to the driver... because, I really don't make that many mistakes.... What would I do with all that extra time on the track? -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark

Trolling much? If you want to criticize the game, just come out and do it. And give us some evidence of why/how it does not do something correctly, and then show us how it SHOULD be done. Don't just bitch and moan like a kid. Jesse

/me settles back on the sofa with his big bag of popcorn to watch the entertainment unfold :0)

"Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:_q6R7.24118$[email hidden]... > > /me settles back on the sofa with his big bag of popcorn to watch the > entertainment unfold >/me would hate to disappoint Jim and brings him a large Pepsi. :^) Interesting - I usually play games ("Yes Virginia, GPL is a game.") that I enjoy. Thus I have no stories to tell about FPS lan parties or RTS online. Each to his own, I guess. ;^) /Jens

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:9v2u0e$ckl0i$[email hidden]... > Hey, have you heard about this new species of butterflies they've just > discovered in Krasnijigorsk? :-) >Old news, Joakim. I read all about it on http://osipov.org/insects/introd.htm last month. ;-) But did you see the recent additions on http://butterflywebsite.com/index.htm ? They have a lovely new image of the Semiothisa gnophosaria in larva state! http://www.barbosalab.umd.edu/geometridae/022.html Life is good. :-) /Jens

Hey, have you heard about this new species of butterflies they've just discovered in Krasnijigorsk? :-) "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rH6R7.6154$[email hidden]...

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> "Jim Seamus" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:_q6R7.24118$[email hidden]... > > > > /me settles back on the sofa with his big bag of popcorn to watch the > > entertainment unfold > > > /me would hate to disappoint Jim and brings him a large Pepsi. :^) > > Interesting - I usually play games ("Yes Virginia, GPL is a game.") that > I enjoy. Thus I have no stories to tell about FPS lan parties or RTS > online. Each to his own, I guess. ;^) > > /Jens > >

Mark maybe you should try a game that is not so hard for you. There are thousands of us that do not have a problem. Maybe you do not have the dexterity for it. Try need for speed. It is much easier. "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VZ5R7.7515$[email hidden]...

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> I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the > Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 > mistakes. The reason behind every last mistake I made was the inability to > tell how much brake pressure I had, how far I was from the apex, and how > much steering angle I was using. I can't tell you how much fun that was. I > was going to list every game I've played that allows that sort of silly > information to be transmitted to the driver when I realized it would take > much less time to simply list the games which don't offer such trivial > feedback as sense of speed, acceleration, and position: > > GPL Nx ICR > > I can hardly wait for the next papy game. Hopefully it will be something > I've always wanted, maybe CanAm or the 1990 F1 season or WSC or ALM. That > would be really cool. It would suck if one of the premier series was > represented by one of those awful realistic and accurate games. You know, > the kind that relay all the pertinent information to the driver...

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> I really don't make that many mistakes.... > > What would I do with all that extra time on the track? > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > > >

"Jesse Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9v2s51$b0r$[email hidden]>... > Trolling much? If you want to criticize the game, just come out and do it. > And give us some evidence of why/how it does not do something correctly, and > then show us how it SHOULD be done. Don't just bitch and moan like a kid. > > Jesse I kinda wonder if that post is serious, considering that he posted something a week ago advertising his GPL F2 league... Jason

Mark is serious and sincere... the slightly moving viewpoint in GPL throws his perception in some way. On the other hand he loves GPL to bits because it lets him race other human players. He just feels hampered because it doesn't give him as accurate a feedback as, for example, GP3 2K. Which is not to say he's not a devastatingly quick and consistent GPL racer, just it doesn't allow him to be as effortlessly accurate as in some other sims. I'm in the reverse position... I lack info to save situations in GP3 2K when compared to GPL. But perhaps my driving is not accurate enough to begin with and GPL is just more forgiving to being "thereabouts". Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "jason moyer" wrote... > > <snip> > I kinda wonder if that post is serious, considering that he > posted something a week ago advertising his GPL F2 league... > > Jason

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:14:00 -0700, "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the Whazaaaaap mark.. in a trolling mood or just being a little frustrated? Not a single sim is giving you so much feedback as GPL or N4.. you know that. So chill a bit first, and come back when you're able to seriously discus your problems.. Andre

I wouldn't have said all that. If you don't like GPL you'll be branded as a troll. It's best to say you like GPL rather than that you don't. It's a decent game, I'll admit. But if anyone claims that GPL is not the best of the best, then you're a no-good piece of driftwood, forever at sea, without a home, a family, a soul. It's a barren place to be. So if you want to be somebody, be secure at port, have a home and a family and a soul, say you like GPL, that it's the best of the best. Alanb

>"mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote > I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the > Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 > mistakes. Wait a second... Zandy has 12 corners. 400 mistakes in 47 laps, that's 8.5 spins per lap, or a spin each ~1.4 corner. Two things here. Mark either you finally realised that you really SUCK a racing a car with a high degree of tyre slip or you're using by mistake those wet_setups for GPL. ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > I wouldn't have said all that. If you don't like GPL you'll be branded asa > troll. Bwahahaha Mark and Alan learning from the DGF school of rhetorics. There's a difference between trolling people by stating that "GPL su><0r!" and stating that while you can see the advanced physics, the sim is just not made for you. It's the same as real-life racing, some drivers can't ride a Rally car worth their life, while they will excel at bike riding or other type of motorsports. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <%3cR7.46243$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I wouldn't have said all that. If you don't like GPL you'll be branded as a >troll. It's best to say you like GPL rather than that you don't. It's a >decent game, I'll admit. But if anyone claims that GPL is not the best of >the best, then you're a no-good piece of driftwood, forever at sea, without >a home, a family, a soul. > >It's a barren place to be. So if you want to be somebody, be secure at >port, have a home and a family and a soul, say you like GPL, that it's the >best of the best.

Are you serious? If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. I don't have a problem with that. I don't think anyone else would, either. Heck, he probably likes a game that *I* don't like. People have different tastes, simple. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <VZ5R7.7515$[email hidden]>, "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the >Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 >mistakes. The reason behind every last mistake I made was the inability to >tell how much brake pressure I had, how far I was from the apex, and how >much steering angle I was using. I can't tell you how much fun that was. I >was going to list every game I've played that allows that sort of silly >information to be transmitted to the driver when I realized it would take >much less time to simply list the games which don't offer such trivial >feedback as sense of speed, acceleration, and position:

Do you think that SCGT or F1 2001 do better? If so, how? If not, name 2 that do - maybe I'm missing something. I don't see how you can get more info without feeling the G-forces, or having a wider viewpoint, or something like that. How do you see it in the other games? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Wai-ull. F1 R See hayuss that fansee Globul Posishinunn Satuhlight. Thye hab accurate trax! GPL?: Its jes an exsellant game! --DK EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <VZ5R7.7515$[email hidden]>, "markjeangerard" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the > >Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 > >mistakes. The reason behind every last mistake I made was the inabilityto > >tell how much brake pressure I had, how far I was from the apex, and how > >much steering angle I was using. I can't tell you how much fun that was.I > >was going to list every game I've played that allows that sort of silly > >information to be transmitted to the driver when I realized it would take > >much less time to simply list the games which don't offer such trivial > >feedback as sense of speed, acceleration, and position: > > Do you think that SCGT or F1 2001 do better? If so, how? If not, name 2that > do - maybe I'm missing something. I don't see how you can get more info > without feeling the G-forces, or having a wider viewpoint, or somethinglike

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> that. How do you see it in the other games? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <%3cR7.46243$[email hidden]>, "AlanBernardo" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I wouldn't have said all that. If you don't like GPL you'll be brandedas a > >troll. It's best to say you like GPL rather than that you don't. It's a > >decent game, I'll admit. But if anyone claims that GPL is not the bestof > >the best, then you're a no-good piece of driftwood, forever at sea,without > >a home, a family, a soul. > > > >It's a barren place to be. So if you want to be somebody, be secure at > >port, have a home and a family and a soul, say you like GPL, that it'sthe > >best of the best. > > Are you serious? If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. I don't havea > problem with that. I don't think anyone else would, either. Heck, heprobably > likes a game that *I* don't like. People have different tastes, simple. > It seems already that people have a problem with him not liking it... Stephen

It's tough to please people when it comes to the amount of feedback being given by the car. Something that I think race sim developers could learn from flight sims (aside from "training missions" which ISI has been slowly working into their games) would be the addition of ways of configuring the feedback being received. Obvious ones would be the additions of peripheral vision (a'la European Air War or Mig Alley) and mouse-controlled cockpit cameras representing a full range of head motions. Also, I've always wished I could tune the degree to which weight transfer moved the camera, so that at a minimum setting you'd have something like Rally Masters, at medium you'd be closer to a Papy or ISI game, and at maximum something like Nascar Heat (I haven't played GP3 in a year, so I honestly don't remember which part of the spectrum it would fall on). I think with just a few configurable options and feature additions sim developers could go a long way towards making up for the lack of "feel" that you get in a sim. I have to admit it's somewhat disappointing going from Mig Alley, where I can 'see' planes with my peripheral vision and can 'feel' gravity regardless of where I'm looking by having a static artifical horizon display, to Grand Prix Legends where I can't see a car I'd be able to see in real life out of the corner of my eye without looking to the side and using an undriveable camera position or Rally Masters where I look at the replay and discover I spun 15 times because I was transferring too much weight to the front wheels and couldn't tell from the cockpit camera. Just my 2 cents. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Mark is serious and sincere... the slightly moving viewpoint in GPL throws > his perception in some way. On the other hand he loves GPL to bits because > it lets him race other human players. He just feels hampered because it > doesn't give him as accurate a feedback as, for example, GP3 2K. Which is > not to say he's not a devastatingly quick and consistent GPL racer, just it > doesn't allow him to be as effortlessly accurate as in some other sims. > > I'm in the reverse position... I lack info to save situations in GP3 2K when > compared to GPL. But perhaps my driving is not accurate enough to begin with > and GPL is just more forgiving to being "thereabouts". > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > "jason moyer" wrote... > > > <snip> > > I kinda wonder if that post is serious, considering that he > > posted something a week ago advertising his GPL F2 league... > > > > Jason

Some people even like BOWLING! <g> "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20011211003254.11467.00000690@mb-> Are you serious? If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. I don't have a > problem with that. I don't think anyone else would, either. Heck, heprobably > likes a game that *I* don't like. People have different tastes, simple. > > Eldred

Some people even like BOWLING! <g> it, he doesn't like it. I don't have a

I would be interested to hear from Mark and have him tell us what racing games he like better and why. GPL is not for everyone. If you do not have a tremendous amount of time and patience, it is too frustrating. I have friends that play other racing games simply because they do not have the time to put into GPL. All they do is crash or go slow. "David Karr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9v478r$c0l$[email hidden]...

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> Wai-ull. F1 R See hayuss that fansee Globul Posishinunn Satuhlight. Thye > hab accurate trax! > > GPL?: Its jes an exsellant game! > > --DK > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <VZ5R7.7515$[email hidden]>, "mark > jeangerard" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >I just finished 47 laps at Zandy, I had intended to go 90 but... the > > >Internet, you know? Anyway, in that 47 laps I made no less than 400 > > >mistakes. The reason behind every last mistake I made was the inability > to > > >tell how much brake pressure I had, how far I was from the apex, and

how > > >much steering angle I was using. I can't tell you how much fun thatwas. > I > > >was going to list every game I've played that allows that sort of silly > > >information to be transmitted to the driver when I realized it wouldtake > > >much less time to simply list the games which don't offer such trivial > > >feedback as sense of speed, acceleration, and position: > > > > Do you think that SCGT or F1 2001 do better? If so, how? If not, name2

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> that > > do - maybe I'm missing something. I don't see how you can get more info > > without feeling the G-forces, or having a wider viewpoint, or something > like > > that. How do you see it in the other games? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

Hi Jens, you know, that Hesperiidae Latreille looks a lot like this bug that has been living in my attico for a week or so recently, until the cleaning maid got to it. But I'm not in Russia. Makes me wonder. Impressive also the Geometridae. I'm sure that one doesn't have probs getting around corners. When the head has passed the corner the rear end doesn't even know there is a corner yet :-) Achim "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ii7R7.6203$[email hidden]...

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> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:9v2u0e$ckl0i$[email hidden]... > > Hey, have you heard about this new species of butterflies they've just > > discovered in Krasnijigorsk? :-) > > > Old news, Joakim. I read all about it on > http://osipov.org/insects/introd.htm last month. ;-) > > But did you see the recent additions on > http://butterflywebsite.com/index.htm ? They have a lovely new image of > the Semiothisa gnophosaria in larva state! > http://www.barbosalab.umd.edu/geometridae/022.html Life is good. :-) > > /Jens > >

Would anyone like to hear what I think of GPL? David G Fisher "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%3cR7.46243$[email hidden]... > I wouldn't have said all that. If you don't like GPL you'll be branded asa > troll. It's best to say you like GPL rather than that you don't. It's a > decent game, I'll admit. But if anyone claims that GPL is not the best of > the best, then you're a no-good piece of driftwood, forever at sea,without

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> a home, a family, a soul. > > It's a barren place to be. So if you want to be somebody, be secure at > port, have a home and a family and a soul, say you like GPL, that it's the > best of the best. > > Alanb > >

Indeed :)

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:fjuR7.298894$[email hidden]... > Would anyone like to hear what I think of GPL? >Yes, please. Most of the time you comment on the guys who play the game - not the sim itself. Which 3 features/flaws do you find most striking about it? Something you would like to see in other driving games or would like to see improved/fixed in GPL. (For a sequel?) /Jens, not trolling - giving DGF a fair break.

I didn't expect one "yes". :-) Weather. Pitting. Ghost mode. Better graphics and more detailed tracks. The graphics engine in GPL looked nice for the time, but ran like s**t on anything but the fastest computer (people insisted it was the physics calculations). Remove the 36 fps limit. I'm not too sure about the AI. Many people seem to think they should use a different approach. But by far, the most important improvement needed would be accurate grip levels. The cars back then did not slide as much as they do in GPL. Innacurate grip levels are a HUGE mistake in any sim. It's the main reason why I don't play it. I wouldn't play any sim that was as far off the mark as GPL is. David G Fisher "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BLuR7.6670$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:fjuR7.298894$[email hidden]... > > Would anyone like to hear what I think of GPL? > > > Yes, please. Most of the time you comment on the guys who play the > game - not the sim itself. > > Which 3 features/flaws do you find most striking about it? Something you > would like to see in other driving games or would like to see > improved/fixed in GPL. (For a sequel?) > > /Jens, not trolling - giving DGF a fair break. > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:XcvR7.298904$[email hidden]... > I didn't expect one "yes". :-) > > Weather. Pitting. Ghost mode. Better graphics and more detailedtracks. The > graphics engine in GPL looked nice for the time, but ran like s**t on > anything but the fastest computer (people insisted it was the physics > calculations). Remove the 36 fps limit. I'm not too sure about the AI.Many > people seem to think they should use a different approach. > > But by far, the most important improvement needed would be accurategrip > levels. The cars back then did not slide as much as they do in GPL. > Innacurate grip levels are a HUGE mistake in any sim. It's the mainreason > why I don't play it. I wouldn't play any sim that was as far off themark as > GPL is. >Okay, thanks. Since I asked, I think I may be entitled to give my response to those. Based on my personal feelings about the subject. :-) Weather. I don't need it to give me that extra thrill of bad - or unpredictable - handling. Could be a fun optional feature, though. Pitting. Yes, would be nice to be able to fix small problems by entering the pit. Or have the mechanic tell you: "The engine cannae take it, Jimmy my boy." Ghost mode. That one took me by surprice! Most people would consider this a hot-lapping feature, but I can see how it would be an excellent tool to learn about the right lines through corners. Nice. Graphics. I'm happy with all the add-ons. Looks marvelous now - didn't out of the box by *current* standards. The tracks are a bit undercrowded for Grand Prix racing. :-) The graphics were slaved to the calculation engine and likewise the net code. Doesn't bother me one bit. Grip. I'll take the Fifth. (That's the one that covers "hiding ignorance", right? ;-) ) Cheers and thanx again, Jens, GPL lover who doesn't really drive anything else.

:) No wonder N4's grip levels stink too. -John David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XcvR7.298904$[email hidden]... > But by far, the most important improvement needed would be accurate grip > levels. The cars back then did not slide as much as they do in GPL. > Innacurate grip levels are a HUGE mistake in any sim. It's the main reason > why I don't play it. I wouldn't play any sim that was as far off the markas > GPL is. > > David G Fisher >

I have always said that overall it's an excellent sim. If I had more of an interest in racing from that time period, or if the grip was more accurate, I would have played it a lot more. David G Fisher "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AEvR7.6695$[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:XcvR7.298904$[email hidden]... > > I didn't expect one "yes". :-) > > > > Weather. Pitting. Ghost mode. Better graphics and more detailed > tracks. The > > graphics engine in GPL looked nice for the time, but ran like s**t on > > anything but the fastest computer (people insisted it was the physics > > calculations). Remove the 36 fps limit. I'm not too sure about the AI. > Many > > people seem to think they should use a different approach. > > > > But by far, the most important improvement needed would be accurate > grip > > levels. The cars back then did not slide as much as they do in GPL. > > Innacurate grip levels are a HUGE mistake in any sim. It's the main > reason > > why I don't play it. I wouldn't play any sim that was as far off the > mark as > > GPL is. > > > Okay, thanks. Since I asked, I think I may be entitled to give my > response to those. Based on my personal feelings about the subject. :-) > > Weather. I don't need it to give me that extra thrill of bad - or > unpredictable - handling. Could be a fun optional feature, though. > > Pitting. Yes, would be nice to be able to fix small problems by entering > the pit. Or have the mechanic tell you: "The engine cannae take it, > Jimmy my boy." > > Ghost mode. That one took me by surprice! Most people would consider > this a hot-lapping feature, but I can see how it would be an excellent > tool to learn about the right lines through corners. Nice. > > Graphics. I'm happy with all the add-ons. Looks marvelous now - didn't > out of the box by *current* standards. The tracks are a bit undercrowded > for Grand Prix racing. :-) The graphics were slaved to the calculation > engine and likewise the net code. Doesn't bother me one bit. > > Grip. I'll take the Fifth. (That's the one that covers "hiding > ignorance", right? ;-) ) > > Cheers and thanx again, > Jens, GPL lover who doesn't really drive anything else. > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Weather. Pitting. Ghost mode. Better graphics and more detailed tracks.The > graphics engine in GPL looked nice for the time, but ran like s**t on > anything but the fastest computer (people insisted it was the physics > calculations). Remove the 36 fps limit. I'm not too sure about the AI.Many > people seem to think they should use a different approach. It's kinda hard for you to judge a simulation you said have run for 80% of it in the demo, not having raced the full release in the last years, counting the number of hours in a single digit. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I know the concept for some is hard to grasp, but not everyone enjoys GPL, be it unrealistic grip levels , time devoted for practice or just plain uninterested in that particular era. What may be the best for one could be looked upon as crap by another.

Don't tell that to the diehards here: what they say goes. You ought to see the posts on CivIII over at csibgs, where to some, a select 50, possibly, it's the best game ever created in the History of the world. GPL is a nice simulation, but there are others too. [Here I will typically get a replay such as, "Name one."]. But one shouldn't be bothered by such small things. GPL is a nice game but by my estimation doesn't deserve the accolades it gets from the elite here-- so it goes. Move on. Alanb "Trapper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FIo18.17108$[email hidden]...

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> I know the concept for some is hard to grasp, but not everyone enjoys GPL, > be it unrealistic > grip levels , time devoted for practice or just plain uninterested in that > particular era. What may be the > best for one could be looked upon as crap by another. > >

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > Don't tell that to the diehards here: what they say goes. <cue to Limp Bizkit boring song> "Keep trolling-trolling-trolling..." -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> But one shouldn't be bothered by such small things. GPL is a nice gamebut > by my estimation doesn't deserve the accolades it gets from the elitehere-- > so it goes. Move on. Well said.

Dude, why must you always respond to what I say about GPL? What is so trollish about saying that though some believe that GPL is similar to a Magi bearing gifts, others compare it less favorably to other simulation games? I think if we all realize this (and, sorry, it's the GPLers that need some divine inspiration here), then all will be better. So I attack you for attacking me and then I drop such petty play and move on to the issue at hand. Alanb "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Eaq18.15252$[email hidden]...

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> >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Don't tell that to the diehards here: what they say goes. > > > <cue to Limp Bizkit boring song> > > > "Keep trolling-trolling-trolling..." > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

What do you mean, 'what is so trollish'? It's obvious you've been around for more than two days...hence, you should know the general opinion of GPL in RAS...which, while maybe not as obvious as bashing the F-Body in alt.autos.camaro.firebird, or posting 'Don't buy Soyo' in alt.comp.periphhs.mainboard.soyo, is along the same lines, and hence considered trolling. Milhouse "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pas18.5599$[email hidden]... > Dude, why must you always respond to what I say about GPL? What is so > trollish about saying that though some believe that GPL is similar to aMagi > bearing gifts, others compare it less favorably to other simulation games? > I think if we all realize this (and, sorry, it's the GPLers that need some > divine inspiration here), then all will be better. > > So I attack you for attacking me and then I drop such petty play and moveon

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> to the issue at hand. > > Alanb > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Eaq18.15252$[email hidden]... > > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Don't tell that to the diehards here: what they say goes. > > > > > > <cue to Limp Bizkit boring song> > > > > > > "Keep trolling-trolling-trolling..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

You make little sense. But let's leave it at that. Alanb "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Trs18.138339$[email hidden]...

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> What do you mean, 'what is so trollish'? > > It's obvious you've been around for more than two days...hence, you should > know the general opinion of GPL in RAS...which, while maybe not as obvious > as bashing the F-Body in alt.autos.camaro.firebird, or posting 'Don't buy > Soyo' in alt.comp.periphhs.mainboard.soyo, is along the same lines, and > hence considered trolling. > > Milhouse > > "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Pas18.5599$[email hidden]... > > Dude, why must you always respond to what I say about GPL? What is so > > trollish about saying that though some believe that GPL is similar to a > Magi > > bearing gifts, others compare it less favorably to other simulation

games? > > I think if we all realize this (and, sorry, it's the GPLers that needsome > > divine inspiration here), then all will be better. > > > > So I attack you for attacking me and then I drop such petty play andmove

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> on > > to the issue at hand. > > > > Alanb > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Eaq18.15252$[email hidden]... > > > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Don't tell that to the diehards here: what they say goes. > > > > > > > > > <cue to Limp Bizkit boring song> > > > > > > > > > "Keep trolling-trolling-trolling..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Alan Bernardo ([email hidden]) wrote on 17 Jan 2002: <snip> > You ought to see the posts on CivIII over at csibgs, where to some, > a select 50, possibly, it's the best game ever created in the > History of the world. <snip> I still play Civ II, so I might be inclined to agree :-) > GPL is a nice simulation, but there are others too. [Here I will > typically get a replay such as, "Name one."]. Sure. Rally Trophy, for example. > But one shouldn't be bothered by such small things. GPL is a nice > game but by my estimation doesn't deserve the accolades it gets > from the elite here-- so it goes. Move on.<snip> That's your view, and that's fine. I still haven't seen anything that I'd prefer playing to GPL (well, there's WSC, but mentioning that would cause an even bigger flamewar, so forget I said it, OK...). No reason everyone else should agree, though - after all, I've just played the demo of IL-2 Sturmovik, which most flight simmers seem to be raving about, and while it's clearly well done, it doesn't give me any particular "wow" feeling. Same for GPL for many people, I expect. -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > Dude, why must you always respond to what I say about GPL? Because now the only posts in this NG you do are about that. You bring nothing more but anti-GPL posts to this newsgroup, *yes* it's trolling. At least, somehow, DGF tends to talk about other sims and does go into discussion about simracing. You do not. > >"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > <cue to Limp Bizkit boring song> > > > > "Keep trolling-trolling-trolling..." -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On 17 Jan 2002 11:50:28 GMT, David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote: >That's your view, and that's fine. I still haven't seen anything that >I'd prefer playing to GPL (well, there's WSC, but mentioning that would >cause an even bigger flamewar, so forget I said it, OK...). WSC? AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Andre

Alan Bernardo wrote: <BOLLOCKS SNIPPED> > But one shouldn't be bothered by such small things. Which is why you don't bother me...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tWz18.16492$[email hidden]... > >"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Dude, why must you always respond to what I say about GPL? > > > Because now the only posts in this NG you do are about that. You bring > nothing more but anti-GPL posts to this newsgroup, *yes* it's trolling.At > least, somehow, DGF tends to talk about other sims and does go into > discussion about simracing. You do not. > >That would be incorrect: I do and have and will continue to respond to other posts. And did I not bring simracing into the discussion when speaking of GPL, claiming that there were other simulations besides GPL? And aren't a majority of your posts nearly about GPL and if there not they are about slamming people? All this adds up to one thing. Killfile. Alanb

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> I know the concept for some is hard to grasp, but not everyone enjoys GPL, > be it unrealistic > grip levels , time devoted for practice or just plain uninterested in that > particular era. What may be the > best for one could be looked upon as crap by another. > >

BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY !!!!!!!!!!!! Let's burn the heathen scum . One of you get the firewood and the matches and I'll get to work on the cross immediately . We can't have that kind of talk here , it'll cause unrest amongst the peasants . Repent while you can heathen . The day of judgement is nigh. Atom the righteous

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > That would be incorrect: I do and have and will continue to respond toother > posts. And did I not bring simracing into the discussion when speaking of > GPL, claiming that there were other simulations besides GPL? And aren't a > majority of your posts nearly about GPL and if there not they are about > slamming people? Bawawhahahaha, 90% of your post are anti-GPL. > All this adds up to one thing. Killfile. LOL! I'm so afraid, Alan is going to plonk me... oh no -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <Pas18.5599$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: >I think if we all realize this (and, sorry, it's the GPLers that need some >divine inspiration here), then all will be better. Please don't imply *all* GPLers by that statement. Besides, I'm an atheist...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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>On 17 Jan 2002 11:50:28 GMT, David Buttery ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>That's your view, and that's fine. I still haven't seen anything that >>I'd prefer playing to GPL (well, there's WSC, but mentioning that would >>cause an even bigger flamewar, so forget I said it, OK...). > >WSC? > >AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! > >Andre >

Well, at least you've moved on from GPaL...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <brG18.5785$[email hidden]>, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> writes: >That would be incorrect: I do and have and will continue to respond to other >posts. And did I not bring simracing into the discussion when speaking of >GPL, claiming that there were other simulations besides GPL? And aren't a >majority of your posts nearly about GPL and if there not they are about >slamming people? Alan, is it *wrong* to talk about a sim you like, even if it's the ONLY one you like? I'm not referring to myself here, I like a few other sims too...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > > >On 17 Jan 2002 11:50:28 GMT, David Buttery > ><[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>That's your view, and that's fine. I still haven't seen anything that > >>I'd prefer playing to GPL (well, there's WSC, but mentioning that would > >>cause an even bigger flamewar, so forget I said it, OK...). > > > >WSC? > > > >AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! > > > >Andre > > > > Well, at least you've moved on from GPaL...<g> >

No, GPal is a safe word now. I cured him by releasing GPLProxy. :-) /Jens