Tiny Firewall and Online Racing

Awhile ago, there was a thread in which someone suggested using Tiny Personal Firewall, instead of Zone Alarm, for online racing (VROC specifically). VROC wouldn't work with ZA. Although I've gotten VROC to work with Tiny Firewall still active, I sonmetime get some annoying pop-ups that either lock someone out, if I'm hosting, of lock me out if I try to join a race. I may know PC's somewhat, but the lingo of online connectivity eludes me. So, can someone provide me the settings they use in Tiny's firewall, when using VROC? Thanks! -- Bert

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> Awhile ago, there was a thread in which someone suggested using Tiny > Personal Firewall, instead of Zone Alarm, for online racing (VROC > specifically). VROC wouldn't work with ZA. > > Although I've gotten VROC to work with Tiny Firewall still active, I > sonmetime get some annoying pop-ups that either lock someone out, if I'm > hosting, of lock me out if I try to join a race. > > I may know PC's somewhat, but the lingo of online connectivity eludes > me. So, can someone provide me the settings they use in Tiny's > firewall, when using VROC? > > Thanks! > -- > Bert

If you set the slider to the "don't bother me" setting that should allow all activity with no popups at all. Just put it in the middle while not gaming. I haven't tried Tiny with any online games yet, but that should take care of it.

Firewall Administration -> Advanced -> Add These settings work for me: http://www.simracing.dk/kruuse/tiny.gif When I'm racing I remove the tick in "Ask me for action when no rule is found". /Jens "BRH" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]... > Awhile ago, there was a thread in which someone suggested using Tiny > Personal Firewall, instead of Zone Alarm, for online racing (VROC > specifically). VROC wouldn't work with ZA. > > Although I've gotten VROC to work with Tiny Firewall still active, I > sonmetime get some annoying pop-ups that either lock someone out, ifI'm

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> hosting, of lock me out if I try to join a race. > > I may know PC's somewhat, but the lingo of online connectivity eludes > me. So, can someone provide me the settings they use in Tiny's > firewall, when using VROC? > > Thanks! > -- > Bert > >

I believe that setting means you've effectively turned off the firewall. If so, that defeats what I'm trying to do -- Race/Host successfully while still being reasonably secure. STP wrote:

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> "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Awhile ago, there was a thread in which someone suggested using Tiny > > Personal Firewall, instead of Zone Alarm, for online racing (VROC > > specifically). VROC wouldn't work with ZA. > > > > Although I've gotten VROC to work with Tiny Firewall still active, I > > sonmetime get some annoying pop-ups that either lock someone out, if I'm > > hosting, of lock me out if I try to join a race. > > > > I may know PC's somewhat, but the lingo of online connectivity eludes > > me. So, can someone provide me the settings they use in Tiny's > > firewall, when using VROC? > > > > Thanks! > > -- > > Bert > > If you set the slider to the "don't bother me" setting that should allow all > activity with no popups at all. Just put it in the middle while not gaming. > I haven't tried Tiny with any online games yet, but that should take care of > it.

-- Bert

Jens, I think that you hit on the solution, Thanks. I don't understand all the gobbledy-gook on that screen, (of course mine doesn't match yours exactly, as it contains non-GPL/VROC stuff, as well) but never noticed the tickbox before. I'll try unticking it while racing from now on. Thanks again. "Jens H. Kruuse" wrote:

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> Firewall Administration -> Advanced -> Add > > These settings work for me: http://www.simracing.dk/kruuse/tiny.gif > > When I'm racing I remove the tick in "Ask me for action when no rule is > found". > > /Jens > > "BRH" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:[email hidden]... > > Awhile ago, there was a thread in which someone suggested using Tiny > > Personal Firewall, instead of Zone Alarm, for online racing (VROC > > specifically). VROC wouldn't work with ZA. > > > > Although I've gotten VROC to work with Tiny Firewall still active, I > > sonmetime get some annoying pop-ups that either lock someone out, if > I'm > > hosting, of lock me out if I try to join a race. > > > > I may know PC's somewhat, but the lingo of online connectivity eludes > > me. So, can someone provide me the settings they use in Tiny's > > firewall, when using VROC? > > > > Thanks! > > -- > > Bert > > > >

-- Bert

Depends on how Tiny works... I use AtGuard and it has a setting where it just blocks all prohibited traffic without warning/telling the user (non-interactive mode). The events are just logged (and the packetts binned, I guess). There's two ways you can go about hosting and racing through a firewall... you either set WinVROC and GPL up as "trusted" applications, i.e. you instruct the firewall to let these two make any kind of communication they want, or you "open up" their respective ranges of ports on the firewall (these ranges are outlined in the VROC online FAQ, IIRC). This depends on how this Tiny firewall works. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. "BRH" wrote... > I believe that setting means you've effectively turned off the > firewall. If so, that defeats what I'm trying to do -- Race/ > Host successfully while still being reasonably secure.

"BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I believe that setting means you've effectively turned off the firewall.If > so, that defeats what I'm trying to do -- Race/Host successfully whilestill > being reasonably secure. I don't think it stops it from working, it just stops the popup alerts. Maybe I'm wrong though because I only just started to use it and am not sure how it works exactly yet.

"Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3jnO7.815$[email hidden]...

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> Firewall Administration -> Advanced -> Add > > These settings work for me: http://www.simracing.dk/kruuse/tiny.gif > > When I'm racing I remove the tick in "Ask me for action when no rule is > found". > > /Jens

Are you using this firewall on WinXP? If so, do you know what all the crap does that XP wants to allow to connect to the internet? I stopped the "Generic Host Processes for Win32 services" from allowing to connect because under ZoneAlarm it said it wanted to act as a server on my machine. I don't need no server on my machine. I'm just using a dialup connection. If I disallow it everything still works fine so what is this stuff for? XP loads a bunch of stuff for just a basic modem connection to the internet that Win98 didn't so I would like to know exactly what all this stuff does.

STP heeft geschreven in bericht ... > >Are you using this firewall on WinXP? If so, do you know what all thecrap >does that XP wants to allow to connect to the internet? I stopped the >"Generic Host Processes for Win32 services" from allowing to connectbecause >under ZoneAlarm it said it wanted to act as a server on my machine. Idon't >need no server on my machine. I'm just using a dialup connection. If I >disallow it everything still works fine so what is this stuff for? XPloads >a bunch of stuff for just a basic modem connection to the internet that >Win98 didn't so I would like to know exactly what all this stuff does. > > Maybe this XP page can help you, scroll a bit down to the tabel. http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg1000.htm Above link is meant to set up a gaming PC under XP And this one is for XP settings as Internetgateway http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg750.htm Hans van Dam Ultimate GPL Linkspage http://www.noctua.f2s.com/links.html Mirrorpage http://members.rott.chello.nl/jvandam01/links.html

STP heeft geschreven in bericht ... Maybe this XP page can help you, scroll a bit down to the tabel. http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg1000.htm Above link is meant to set up a *** PC under XP And this one is for XP settings as Internetgateway http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg750.htm Hans van Dam Ultimate GPL Linkspage http://www.noctua.f2s.com/links.html Mirrorpage http://members.rott.chello.nl/jvandam01/links.html

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> Maybe this XP page can help you, scroll a bit down to the tabel. > http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg1000.htm > > Above link is meant to set up a gaming PC under XP > > And this one is for XP settings as Internetgateway > http://www.blkviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg750.htm

Yes, I've already been to that website and have them printed out. I'm curious to know what all those processes do that show up under Tiny's filter rules. Things like Loopback, Microsoft DS etc.

"STP" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:aUEO7.868$[email hidden]... ><Snip! (for Jan)> > Are you using this firewall on WinXP? If so, do you know what all thecrap > does that XP wants to allow to connect to the internet? I stopped the > "Generic Host Processes for Win32 services" from allowing to connectbecause > under ZoneAlarm it said it wanted to act as a server on my machine. Idon't > need no server on my machine. I'm just using a dialup connection. IfI > disallow it everything still works fine so what is this stuff for? XPloads > a bunch of stuff for just a basic modem connection to the internetthat > Win98 didn't so I would like to know exactly what all this stuff does. >I'm using Win2k. And I have blocked most of the garbage either through Tiny or (much preferred) by not starting the annoying Services. The rest of my Firewall filters are limited to specific ports and/or ip-adresses. I have a few blocks in place to prevent silly questions, eg. on the web only ads or out-of-site counters use port 81, so I have a little block for that. Whenever I install a new application that requires Internet access, I allow it to do so in a restricted way query by query. At some point a pattern emerges and allows me to make a few general but restrictive rules for that application. Cheers, Jens

"Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LcUO7.884$[email hidden]...

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> I'm using Win2k. And I have blocked most of the garbage either through > Tiny or (much preferred) by not starting the annoying Services. The rest > of my Firewall filters are limited to specific ports and/or ip-adresses. > I have a few blocks in place to prevent silly questions, eg. on the web > only ads or out-of-site counters use port 81, so I have a little block > for that. Whenever I install a new application that requires Internet > access, I allow it to do so in a restricted way query by query. At some > point a pattern emerges and allows me to make a few general but > restrictive rules for that application. > > Cheers, > Jens

OK, thx. I know XP has more crap going on than Win2K but what stuff do you block in Tiny besides IEetc.? I'm talking the stuff that get's loaded even beofore you open any email, browser etc. Win98 sure was simpler in this area over XP.

STP Here is a good site to get the low down on WinXP's Experience, I have many more sites many from the beta days. But do to the nature of the net these days I've haven't checked to see which are still active, but this site is pretty good. http://www.xp-erience.org/index.php This site had a utility to turn of all the spyware of XP but it was not up as of this writing. :-( http://0815-ftp.ath.cx/depth.htm Here is the text of the details page of this utility if this will be of any help. XP wants to connect for all the automatic updates and help/support for the average computer lamo. All of these can be turned off, either through options or in the registry. One thing that you don't want to have active is "Remote Control of This Computer", etc. All of my experience is with WinXP Professional, so I don't know anything about the Home version. WinXP Anti-SPY Here you can find a Description of the things which are done by the Program and what should manually be done to have the same effect: Media Player: Don't Acquire licenses automatically - Open the Media Player->Extras->Options... Click the tab 'Player', look at the group box 'Internet settings' and uncheck 'Acquire licenses automatically'. Media Player: No identification by internet sites - Open the Media Player->Extras->Options... Click the tab 'Player' ,look at the group box 'Internet settings' and uncheck 'Allow identification by internet sites' Media Player: don't download codec's automatically - Open the Media Player->Extras->Options... Click the tab 'Player', look at the group box 'Automatic Updates' and uncheck 'Download Codec's Automatically' Error report: Don't report errors - Open the Explorer, right-click on 'My Computer' and select 'Properties', click on the Tab 'Advanced' and click the button 'Error reports', in the upcoming dialog uncheck all 3 items and select 'Disable Error reports' Explorer: No Remote desktop support - Open the Explorer, right-click on 'My Computer' and select 'Properties', click on the Tab 'Remote' and uncheck all Items (there are 2 of them). IE6: No check for updates - Open the Explorer, select 'Control Panel' and double click on 'Internet Options', select tab 'Advanced' uncheck 'Automatic check for Updates'. Internet time: Don't synchronize automatically - Double click on the clock in the system tray, select 'Internet time' and uncheck 'Synchronize with Timeserver'. Services: Don't start service for Error reporting anymore - Open the Explorer, select 'Control Panel' double click on 'Administration' double click on 'Services' double click the entry 'Automatic Error reports' and select 'Disabled' as 'Start type'. Services: Don't start service for automatic updates anymore - Open the Explorer, select 'Control Panel' double click on 'Administration' double click on 'Services' double click the entry 'Automatic Updates' and select 'Disabled' as 'Start type'. Services: Don't start service for timeserver anymore - Open the Explorer, select 'Control Panel' double click on 'Administration' double click on 'Services' double click the entry 'Windows Timeserver' and select 'Disabled' as 'Start type'. Regsvr32: Unregister Regwizc.dll - Select Start->Run, enter in the upcoming dialog box 'regsvr32 /u regwizc.dll' and press return. A message box should pop up, telling you that regwizc.dll was registered successfully. Regsvr32: Unregister licdll.dll - Select Start->Run, enter in the upcoming dialog box 'regsvr32 /u licdll.dll' and press return. a message box should pop up, telling you that licdll.dll was registered successfully -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

Oh and by the way do continue to use Tiny firewall, (or any firewall that reports outgoing packets), as the WinXP firewall is a little short on this, or is harder to figure out. -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

In article <3jnO7.815$[email hidden]>, "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> writes: >When I'm racing I remove the tick in "Ask me for action when no rule is >found". > So what does it do? Allow the action? Deny it? It has to make SOME choice, right?<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WjYO7.75194$[email hidden]... > STP Here is a good site to get the low down on WinXP's Experience, I have > many more sites many from the beta days. > But do to the nature of the net these days I've haven't checked to seewhich > are still active, but this site is pretty good. > > http://www.xp-erience.org/index.php Thx for the response. I've already been to that site and done most/all the things you listed below. I was looking more specifically for something on what the rules should be set to in Tiny so as to be the most secure as possible and still allow the internet to be fully functional. Things like this. Loopback DNS Outgoing ICMP Request Incoming ICMP Request (I have denied this access) Local Security System Service (UDP) Local Security System Sevice (TCP) Windows Logon Application (LDAP) Microsoft-DS (what is this?) Services Application (UDP/TCP) Generic Host Process for Win32 Services (I have denied this access) All of the above are listed and loading before I even use any internet application like IE. What does exactly what and how I should set the filters is what I want to know. Local Security I know is the MS Firewall. But, not sure how I should tell the others what rules to use.

STP, Here are some good links with helping on Tiny Firewall rules. I would maybe suggest that you save these pages (not many) for further reference, as I have found that they are not up all the time. They were up at the time of this post. http://members.home.net/zyklon/tpf.html I think that this site will be the most help for you. http://www.legolas.ca:8080/sec2.html Another pretty good one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tinyfirewall/ And the Yahoo one, which I'm sure you know about.

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>Loopback >DNS >Outgoing ICMP Request >Incoming ICMP Request (I have denied this access) >Local Security System Service (UDP) >Local Security System Service (TCP) >Windows Logon Application (LDAP) >Microsoft-DS (what is this?) >Services Application (UDP/TCP) >Generic Host Process for Win32 Services (I have denied this access) >All of the above are listed and loading before I even use any internet >application like IE. What does exactly what and how I should set the >filters is what I want to know. Local Security I know is the MS Firewall. >But, not sure how I should tell the others what rules to use.

Heh, I think the XP Help Assistant will help you here, opps you probably disabled that. :-) I don't know if this Help Assistant is available in the Home Edition or not. All XP users are going to need a course in "System Administration". Win2k Pro books should be found at a markdown in most major metropolitan areas by now (They can be expensive) and should be of some help for XP. Hope this is of some help, also check out the Microsoft newsgroups @ msnews.microsoft.com -- 1904 - Glenn H. Curtiss American aviation pioneer, makes first official 60mph motorcycle run. Powered by one of the first American made twin cylinder engines.

"REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > STP, Here are some good links with helping on Tiny Firewall rules. > I would maybe suggest that you save these pages (not many) for further > reference, as I have found that they are not up all the time. They were up > at the time of this post. OK, thx for the help Redline. I've saved this post to disk for future reference. > Heh, I think the XP Help Assistant will help you here, opps you probably > disabled that. :-) Um yes, I did. I don't want to allow anyone to be able to connect to my computer through remote assistance. > I don't know if this Help Assistant is available in the Home Edition ornot. Yes, it is. > All XP users are going to need a course in "System Administration". Win2k > Pro books should be found at a markdown in most major metropolitan areasby > now (They can be expensive) and should be of some help for XP. I'll look for one, depends on the price though. > Hope this is of some help, also check out the Microsoft newsgroups @ > msnews.microsoft.com Yes, a big help. Thx again.