F12001 mirrors help

I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain off on the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183 drivers. I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. Would appreciate any tips. Don Burnette

Try windowed mode, much better. Also in Fullscreen I found enabling Nvidia D3D logo worked, but with 16bit only. Athlon 1.4 Gainward GF3, 22.80 rb "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain off on > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183drivers.

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> I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > Would appreciate any tips. > > Don Burnette > > >

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain off on > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183drivers. > I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > Would appreciate any tips. > > Don Burnette On those drivers you won't see the cars properly in the rearview mirrors anyway. But, as the other guy said, set it to windowed mode by opening the Config.ini in the F12001 root folder and changing the 0 to a 1 on this line, WINDOWEDMODE= You should find the game run faster in windowed mode on your card too. If you want the mirrors to work correctly on your video card then use the 12.90 drivers until EA releases a patch to fix it.

"STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:X7FK7.162$[email hidden]... > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain offon

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> > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183 > drivers. > > I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > > Would appreciate any tips. > > > > Don Burnette > > On those drivers you won't see the cars properly in the rearview mirrors > anyway. But, as the other guy said, set it to windowed mode by opening the > Config.ini in the F12001 root folder and changing the 0 to a 1 on this

line, > WINDOWEDMODE= > You should find the game run faster in windowed mode on your card too. > If you want the mirrors to work correctly on your video card then use the > 12.90 drivers until EA releases a patch to fix it. > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" monitor it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. Thanks, Don Burnette

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242 > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19"monitor > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. ><snip> You can set the game resolution to your desktop resolution and the top/borders of the game window should be able to be hidden offscreen, leaving you with an effectively fullscreen game. First, set the WINDOWEDMODE value in the config file. Then, re-run the f1-config program and set the res/depth to match what is on your desktop. You will even see the "test" run in a window. Then run f1 and move the window up so you can only see the contents and not the border. Tada - fake fullscreen f1-2001 at decent fps. and yes - I think EA suck for letting this driver problem get past QA..it's not like EA or ISI can't get advance copies of drivers from nvidia - otherwise how come all my other software runs better with 21.xx drivers? iksteh

The 21.xx drivers came out after F1 2001 was released. It's unrealistic to suggest that EA/ISI could get 'advance copies' of drivers. The patch should be any day now. Iain "iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bfb45ac$0$7489$[email hidden]...

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> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242 > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" > monitor > > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > > <snip> > > You can set the game resolution to your desktop resolution and the > top/borders of the game window should be able to be hidden offscreen, > leaving you with an effectively fullscreen game. > > First, set the WINDOWEDMODE value in the config file. > Then, re-run the f1-config program and set the res/depth to > match what is on your desktop. You will even see the "test" > run in a window. > > Then run f1 and move the window up so you can only see the > contents and not the border. Tada - fake fullscreen f1-2001 > at decent fps. > > and yes - I think EA suck for letting this driver problem get past > QA..it's not like EA or ISI can't get advance copies of drivers > from nvidia - otherwise how come all my other software runs > better with 21.xx drivers? > > iksteh > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sLIK7.208$[email hidden]... > The 21.xx drivers came out after F1 2001 was released. It's unrealisticto > suggest that EA/ISI could get 'advance copies' of drivers. The patchshould > be any day now. > Iain I don't see why this is unrealistic - EA are a large enough organisation to be actively developing relationships with hardware vendors. It stands to reason that NVidia would also benefit from such a relationship. Do you think EA go down to the local swapmeet to buy cards to test with? I think release of drivers inside the industry makes sense - how did we get the choice of WHQL certified drivers if Microsoft hadn't got 'advance copies" with which to test against their requirements? If the rest of the IT industry is any indication, then relationships between vendors have been an essential part of developing new software *and* hardware. HP and Oracle are a good example in their development of ServiceGuard clusters that run Oracle Parallel Server. Even if they don't currently, it is a shift in the games industry which would benefit us all. In any case.. How come none of the other games I have purchased over the past 2 years have run worse with these drivers? To me it points to exploitation of driver features which were subject to change. Thus the responsibility of the developer or publisher to be abreast of possible driver changes. As far as I can see, all my software without the "revolutionary graphics technology" of F1-2001 is fine. The days of shortcutting the drivers to get to the iron ended with 3dfx unfortunately. btw - irrespective of how unreasonable I may seem with my expectations for multi-million dollar companies to have relationships with other vendors, it's not unreasonable to have one of the most common system configurations around (gf2) and expect your sim to be playable without major tweaking. iksteh

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> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242 > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" > monitor > > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > > <snip> > > You can set the game resolution to your desktop resolution and the > top/borders of the game window should be able to be hidden offscreen, > leaving you with an effectively fullscreen game. > > First, set the WINDOWEDMODE value in the config file. > Then, re-run the f1-config program and set the res/depth to > match what is on your desktop. You will even see the "test" > run in a window. > > Then run f1 and move the window up so you can only see the > contents and not the border. Tada - fake fullscreen f1-2001 > at decent fps. > > and yes - I think EA suck for letting this driver problem get past > QA..it's not like EA or ISI can't get advance copies of drivers > from nvidia - otherwise how come all my other software runs > better with 21.xx drivers? > > iksteh >

I'll give that a try tonight, thanks. Don Burnette

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242$[email hidden]... > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19"monitor > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > Thanks, Maximize the window. It will still be a window, but the size of the full screen.

> btw - irrespective of how unreasonable I may seem with my > expectations for multi-million dollar companies to have relationships > with other vendors, it's not unreasonable to have one of > the most common system configurations around (gf2) and > expect your sim to be playable without major tweaking. >It does work perfectly well with GF2 its GF3 that is the problem for some people. GF2 gets no benefit from 21.xx drivers - they were largely designed for GF3. So you should have no problem with the 12.90s say. When I had the GF2 Ultra, F1 2001 worked perfectly with the 12.90s. Then, after upgrading to GF3 Ti500 I initally had some problems with F1 2001 only - no other games as you pointed out. However, now with the 22.80s I have 75-120 fps on test days and 35-70 during races @ 1280 res - absolutely as smooth as you like. The only problem I have is the usual 'cars in mirrors' one. Iain

I tried several drivers and found Nvidia Version 758 working perfect: max speed + working mirrors! Heiko "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain off on > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183drivers.

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> I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > Would appreciate any tips. > > Don Burnette > > >

I'm using the 21.81a Asus drivers for my GF2 and my mirrors wouldn't work either. Someone then suggested turning on the NVIDIA logo under the D3D options and it works. No problems now. Wayne Hutchison "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242$[email hidden]... > "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:X7FK7.162$[email hidden]... > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > > > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remainoff

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> on > > > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183 > > drivers. > > > I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > > > Would appreciate any tips. > > > > > > Don Burnette > > > > On those drivers you won't see the cars properly in the rearview mirrors > > anyway. But, as the other guy said, set it to windowed mode by opening

the > > Config.ini in the F12001 root folder and changing the 0 to a 1 on this > line, > > WINDOWEDMODE= > > You should find the game run faster in windowed mode on your card too. > > If you want the mirrors to work correctly on your video card then usethe > > 12.90 drivers until EA releases a patch to fix it. > > > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19"monitor

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> it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > Thanks, > > Don Burnette > > >

Hmm, I tried turning the logo on and it didn't make any difference. Don Burnette "Wayne Hutchison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:toWK7.1009$[email hidden]...

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> I'm using the 21.81a Asus drivers for my GF2 and my mirrors wouldn't work > either. Someone then suggested turning on the NVIDIA logo under the D3D > options and it works. No problems now. > > Wayne Hutchison > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HAFK7.7242$[email hidden]... > > "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:X7FK7.162$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:WoEK7.6667$[email hidden]... > > > > I have selected mirrors on in the options menu, however they remain > off > > on > > > > the track. I am running a GeForce2 MX 32 mb card, using Nvidia 2183 > > > drivers. > > > > I also don't see a difference when I select the hud off or on. > > > > Would appreciate any tips. > > > > > > > > Don Burnette > > > > > > On those drivers you won't see the cars properly in the rearview

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> > > anyway. But, as the other guy said, set it to windowed mode by opening > the > > > Config.ini in the F12001 root folder and changing the 0 to a 1 on this > > line, > > > WINDOWEDMODE= > > > You should find the game run faster in windowed mode on your card too. > > > If you want the mirrors to work correctly on your video card then use > the > > > 12.90 drivers until EA releases a patch to fix it. > > > > > > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" > monitor > > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don Burnette > > > > > > > >

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> > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HAFK7.7242$[email hidden]... > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" > monitor > > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > > > Thanks, > > Maximize the window. It will still be a window, but the size of the full > screen. > >

It would not let me maximize the window, that option was greyed out, will try setting it to run in desktop resolution and see what happens. Don Burnette

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> "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HAFK7.7242 > > I tried the windowed mode, and the mirrors worked, however on my 19" > monitor > > it is kind of a let down to run it on such a small window. > > > <snip> > > You can set the game resolution to your desktop resolution and the > top/borders of the game window should be able to be hidden offscreen, > leaving you with an effectively fullscreen game. > > First, set the WINDOWEDMODE value in the config file. > Then, re-run the f1-config program and set the res/depth to > match what is on your desktop. You will even see the "test" > run in a window. > > Then run f1 and move the window up so you can only see the > contents and not the border. Tada - fake fullscreen f1-2001 > at decent fps. > > and yes - I think EA suck for letting this driver problem get past > QA..it's not like EA or ISI can't get advance copies of drivers > from nvidia - otherwise how come all my other software runs > better with 21.xx drivers? > > iksteh >

Ohh yeah baby, now it's looking good. I set it to run in windowed mode, then set it up to run in my desktop display resolution - 1280x960, now it looks great. Mirrors work, and from what I can tell frame rates look better than I had anticipated. Just ran a 9 lap quick race at Germany, and wore the field out. Course, now I need to bump the ai up from the default 80% :). That was interesting, you would think running in windowed mode would hurt framerates rather than help. I think I am going to like this one, looks lot better than F12000. Thanks for the help gang, Don Burnette

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2TSK7.3954$[email hidden]... > It does work perfectly well with GF2 its GF3 that is the problem for some > people. GF2 gets no benefit from 21.xx drivers - they were largelydesigned > for GF3. I see 1-10fps difference in several games since using 21.xx drivers. This is measured with fraps and varies a lot depending on the game. GF2-mx400 with 64mb fwiw. It may just be a freak thing but I see slower performance with the 12.xx's Only F12001 recorded a drop and gained "jerkiness" in full screen mode when I upgraded drivers. <snippage> > However, now with the 22.80s I > have 75-120 fps on test days and 35-70 during races @ 1280 res -absolutely > as smooth as you like. The only problem I have is the usual 'cars in > mirrors' one. I agree that *after* tweaking, (switching to older drivers, changing to window mode etc) F12001 is an excellent game with very drivable framerates. I'm just tired of "waiting for patches".. if I pick up my 300zx tomorrow (which I am) and the mechanic hasn't used any gaskets on my new manifold then the job isn't finished and the mechanic doesn't get paid. I'm not going to pay him, fill the gaps with putty and happily drive around waiting for him to order the right parts! ..or maybe I should pull the plugs from the left side? This is how we react to shoddy workmanship from software houses and this is why we will continue to be treated this way. I'll get a timing belt later...how bout we just use this condom now? It seems that corporations are following the same desperate credit driven path of society and thinking money now, quality later. Sure it increases bottom lines and "shareholder value" but it's just another example of abusing the 95% braindead household consumer electronics market. > Iain iksteh

In article <5uXK7.10490$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >Ohh yeah baby, now it's looking good. I set it to run in windowed mode, then >set it up to run in my desktop display resolution - 1280x960, now it looks >great. Mirrors work, and from what I can tell frame rates look better than I >had anticipated. Just ran a 9 lap quick race at Germany, and wore the field >out. Course, now I need to bump the ai up from the default 80% :). WTF? What setup are you running? I can't even keep UP with the field, and that's at 80%, too... My top speed is only 182-183... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w3XK7.10436$[email hidden]... > It would not let me maximize the window, that option was greyed out, will > try setting it to run in desktop resolution and see what happens. > > Don Burnette Oh well, my memory is probably faulty. I'm running F12001 on a Radeon 8500 now and on this card F12001 doesn't have any of those problems and runs superbly. R8500 is the card to have for F12001.

"STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wraL7.98$[email hidden]... > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:w3XK7.10436$[email hidden]... > > It would not let me maximize the window, that option was greyed out,will

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> > try setting it to run in desktop resolution and see what happens. > > > > Don Burnette > > Oh well, my memory is probably faulty. I'm running F12001 on a Radeon 8500 > now and on this card F12001 doesn't have any of those problems and runs > superbly. R8500 is the card to have for F12001. > >

Mine is running great now, at the suggestion of others I set it to match my desktop resolution - 1280x960. I actually was suprised at how smooth it runs on my celeron 566 running at 850 mhz and GeForce2 MX 32 mb vid card. I am very pleased with it now. Don Burnette

The normal maximize button on the top right is greyed out but you can maximize the window using the control menu (top left in the title bar). Just click it and choose Maximize from the dropdown menu. I set the Start Menu icon to "start maximized" but the game ignores that setting so I have to maximize it each time, grrr. Just waiting for the patch which hopefully will let me run it full screen... Rob "STP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wraL7.98$[email hidden]... > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:w3XK7.10436$[email hidden]... > > It would not let me maximize the window, that option was greyed out,will

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> > try setting it to run in desktop resolution and see what happens. > > > > Don Burnette > > Oh well, my memory is probably faulty. I'm running F12001 on a Radeon 8500 > now and on this card F12001 doesn't have any of those problems and runs > superbly. R8500 is the card to have for F12001. > >