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I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim for a change... However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. Is it being totally ignored by the public? I hope not :) -Larry

>"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is it being totally ignored by the public? Well it's being ignored by us, hardcore simmers. I haven't seen any post since the open beta of MCO. As for the mass, I couldn't care less. I couldn't see MCO being a success from my experience with the NROS, and my opinion hasn't changed. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wqlI7.12284$[email hidden]... > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > Well it's being ignored by us, hardcore simmers. Well, then, that decides it. MCO is no good and to be avoided at all costs. It must be GPL or N4. Otherwise, it's not even worth consideration. I myself enjoy racing sims rather than arcade sims. But there are more quality racing sims other than GPL and N4. You'd never know that, by the looks of the majority of the responses in this group. And no, I'm not a troll. I'm sure there are many more who feel the same way that I do, who have gone to other boards to discuss other games, rather than coming here and listening to the same rehashed nonsense about GPL this and N4 that, along with a smattering of CART talk. Alanb

It was ignored once we all found out that there was a $40 initial price tag then a $10 /month tag for online play there after. Initial online release is supposed to have limited part upgrades with more being released over time Sounds like a rip off to us....(or me anyway) MB "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_OkI7.66020$[email hidden]...

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> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > for a change... > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > I hope not :) > > -Larry > > >

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>I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim >for a change... > >However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > >Is it being totally ignored by the public? > >I hope not :) >

I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have any desire in a 'pay-to-play' game... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well, then, that decides it. MCO is no good and to be avoided at allcosts. > It must be GPL or N4. Otherwise, it's not even worth consideration. Being ignored doesn't make it bad per-so. You conclude too fast. > And no, I'm not a troll. I'm sure there are many more who feel the sameway > that I do, who have gone to other boards to discuss other games, ratherthan > coming here and listening to the same rehashed nonsense about GPL this and > N4 that, along with a smattering of CART talk. What you posted wasn't trollesque at all, in fact it was quite rationale, and is close to my opinion of MCO. But considering this is rec.autos.simulators, we naturally talk about more serious simulations, no? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have anydesire > in a 'pay-to-play' game... > Even if it was free, it's a piece of crap. At least it was in last days of the beta. It's a game for those who have time to spend several hours a day racing a little bit and using most of the time getting parts and building their cars. The worst thing is how the cars handle. But maybe it is realistic. I don't know but maybe a '66 Shelby Cobra handled that bad in the real world. NFS PU is far better, and if they had a little better online racing with cups and stuff.......... But MCO can off course get better. They will ad tracks and cars on a regular basis. If someone buys it that is. I don't think it was "finished" the day they released it. The lag was terrible, you could never know for sure if you was leading the race or not. Cars was jumping all over the place like in NFS PU if someone has a bad connection. You would crash into a car just to find out after the finish that other car could not possibly be there. It finished 50 seconds before you, it just took a jump back to block your way for a split second. :) Jone.

On 14 Nov 2001 05:05:07 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have any desire >in a 'pay-to-play' game... > >Eldred I have ZERO problems paying for playing, but what I read so far is that it's a step backwards from NFS:PU which I liked very much. I haven't read a single positive review yet about MC Online, not from 'hardcorde simmers' and not from the more arcade oriented public. Still, I loved Hot Rod 1 & 2 on the Amiga, and I keep hoping MC Online comes close to the fun factor of those games. Andre

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>-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPLRank - under construction... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I played the open beta a bit almost to the end of the beta but found myself bored with it quickly. Interesting concept but the reality tended to be a bunch of chats rooms with a bit of car racing in it. The raceing tended to be hours (in 5-8 minute sessions)of slogging alone around a time trails track trying to earn enough to buy some decent parts or ,on pretty much the same track, racing against several *extremely* warpy other players with cars flying around like Autumn leaves. It was more like those bumper cars that used to be in the circus midway than any simulation of raceing. The effort to build a car was interesting enough to keep me engaged for a while though and if they were to fix the warpiness I'd probably try it out again. Hopefully you'll find at least one of the chat rooms in MCO has a level of conversation above the "Fords suck. Yeah! and Chevie rulz!" tripe. Good luck Dav-Erb "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_OkI7.66020$[email hidden]...

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> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > for a change... > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > I hope not :) > > -Larry > > >

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:20:55 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip depressing post> >Good luck >Dav-Erb Well.. thanks for sharing, I was affraid it would be like that :( Now the stupid question of the day: is it -only- multiplayer or can you also drive against AI? Is the driving model indeed a step backwards from NFS:PU, ie more like NFS4? Andre

There are no AI. You can race alone against the clock or against up to 3 other players. Fortunately you can race with a sponsored car so you don't mess up your own when you hit the walls or other cars. This way you can earn money even if your not an ace yet, instead of losing more money on repairs than you win. I have not tried NFS 4, but I doubt it as bad as MCO? Jone.

MCO is NFS:HS + chat rooms + eBay. The economic aspects of the title tend to swamp the actual gameplay. There are much better (and less costly) diversions available. Street Rod 3 is supposedly coming out soon.... :) On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:38:50 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim >for a change... > >However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > >Is it being totally ignored by the public? > >I hope not :) > >-Larry > > >

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:49:01 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >MCO is NFS:HS + chat rooms + eBay. The economic >aspects of the title tend to swamp the actual >gameplay. There are much better (and less costly) >diversions available. Street Rod 3 is supposedly >coming out soon.... :) Don't hold your breath.. Street Rod 3 is longer in the making than WSC.. it's a hobby project from a couple of guys. Andre

" But there are more quality racing sims other than GPL and N4." Such as? "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVlI7.23522$[email hidden]...

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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wqlI7.12284$[email hidden]... > > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > > > > Well it's being ignored by us, hardcore simmers. > > Well, then, that decides it. MCO is no good and to be avoided at all

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> It must be GPL or N4. Otherwise, it's not even worth consideration. > > I myself enjoy racing sims rather than arcade sims. But there are more > quality racing sims other than GPL and N4. You'd never know that, by the > looks of the majority of the responses in this group. > > And no, I'm not a troll. I'm sure there are many more who feel the same

way > that I do, who have gone to other boards to discuss other games, ratherthan > coming here and listening to the same rehashed nonsense about GPL this and > N4 that, along with a smattering of CART talk. > > Alanb > >

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>On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:49:01 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > >>MCO is NFS:HS + chat rooms + eBay. The economic >>aspects of the title tend to swamp the actual >>gameplay. There are much better (and less costly) >>diversions available. Street Rod 3 is supposedly >>coming out soon.... :) > >Don't hold your breath.. Street Rod 3 is longer in the making than >WSC.. it's a hobby project from a couple of guys.

Fair enough. Should SR3 ever arrive, it looks like a better bet than MCO. The real message here is that MCO is a costly stinker. Which may explain why it is being ignored. > >Andre Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

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>There are no AI. > >You can race alone against the clock or against up to 3 other players. >Fortunately you can race with a sponsored car so you don't mess up your own >when you hit the walls or other cars. This way you can earn money even if >your not an ace yet, instead of losing more money on repairs than you win. > >I have not tried NFS 4, but I doubt it as bad as MCO? > >Jone.

Don't start me on EAOL ... I loved Need For Speed. The whole series, up to an including Porsche. It was what got me into racing games/sims. Well, that and Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge :-) But from what I read when the game was in development, I never bothered with MCO. It sounded like the worst thing a driving game could be. No practice racing, only playable online (I'm too scared to take GPL online yet, I've only had it a couple of months. Oh, and my brother keeps trouncing me on The Monz. Like by a second per lap.) and they charge you for the priveledge (!?). NFS4 was good. -- Spadge Fromley ''collect your rubbsih and in my belly it will go ...''

1 word for you on why it will not succeed: Subscription. Larry wrote:

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> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > for a change... > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > I hope not :) > > -Larry

That and EA just dumped, how many employees? I have been beta testing another of their products, that will never see the public. :-( SLG andrew <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>1 word for you on why it will not succeed: > >Subscription. > >Larry wrote: > >> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim >> for a change... >> >> However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. >> >> Is it being totally ignored by the public? >> >> I hope not :) >> >> -Larry >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > for a change... > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. I played it in beta, and I did not enjoy it. There was nothing in the game to make me want to buy the retail, much less spend $10 a month to play it. I don't mind online games, I have played EQ for about 2 years. But they have to have something special that you can't get from a single player game, and to me MCO doesn't offer anything that I can't get from any other net playable game. And besides, I hate the cars of the '60s (my opinion, if you like them, then fine, play the game).

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> I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > for a change... > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > I hope not :) > > -Larry > >

Having read all the previous post, I will weigh in. I got MCO last week and signed up and to be honest am having a blast. Yes, it is not a sim like GPL or N4 (and I am a diehard N4 racer, own my league as a matter of fact), but after you spend a few days in it, build up a better car, get to level 5 (took maybe 4 hours total, overl a couple days to get to Lvl5) you get more money every week (paycheck) and you get more tracks. $10 a month? Thats right, $10 a month. Scares a lot of folks off, good, more bandwidth for the rest of us. The way I look at this is what else could I spend $10 a month on that allows me to "play" (again, hardcore N4 fan, I need downtime from serious OL racing too) whenever I want for however long I want. $10 anywhere else might get you into a movie that will last 2 hours, won't even buy a music CD, might get lunch for 2 at Burger King. No, $10 a month for unlimited server time in a "game" is worth it to me so long as the game performs like it should. When I used get bored, I tended to go look at computer goodies at Best Buy. That always cost me more than $10 a month, with MCO I can go login and probably *lose* and hour or two and it not cost me more than $0.33 a day. Good economics in my house. Maybe I'm not so hung up on money because I already pay for an N4 server, a web hosting account for my N4 league, several ISPs, etc. Another $10 just isn't that big of a deal really. The game play is fine, there are bugs, sure. Someone show me the absolute bug free patch for N4. Papy said it was done with N4, MCO looks for patches everytime you login. If EA is sturggling and MCO folds, guess what, they can't charge you anymore for services they aren't providing, so EA's troubles are not a legitimate excuse for not trying it. Neither is the money, your first month is free. Sure you have to get the game, but how many games do you have onthe shelf that you paid $40 for that you played a little and haven't run since or at least in a long while? Several Im sure. Mine are N3, N3 CTS, and NHeat. Im not trying to defend MCO, or start any argument. MCO is not a sim and truly doesn't belong in r.a.s. just like NHeat and a few others, but hey, it has wheels and you can drive it. Just think of what you can really get for $10 a month somewhere else before you bash MCO. I'm sure if you could run on a GPL or N4 server 24/7/365 you'd pay $10 a month for it and you can't upgrade you car, lol. Just some thoughts, I like MCO. It is the best car *game* to come along in a while.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have anydesire > in a 'pay-to-play' game... > > Eldred I played the beta for a few weeks. To be honest, if you really must have a racing game with tuneable muscle cars in it, you may as well get gran turismo 2 and a psone to play it on- can't cost more than the outlay and a few months subs to MCO... cheers John

I think you have to look at MCO differently than NROS. It's really a different concept. They had better make money. I heard in an interview that their servers cost $500,000 EACH! -Larry "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wqlI7.12284$[email hidden]...

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> >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > Well it's being ignored by us, hardcore simmers. I haven't seen any post > since the open beta of MCO. As for the mass, I couldn't care less. I > couldn't see MCO being a success from my experience with the NROS, and my > opinion hasn't changed. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

I still get a kick out of MTM2... :) You know, it's time for a serious update to that game! -Larry "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVlI7.23522$[email hidden]...

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> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wqlI7.12284$[email hidden]... > > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > > > > Well it's being ignored by us, hardcore simmers. > > Well, then, that decides it. MCO is no good and to be avoided at all

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> It must be GPL or N4. Otherwise, it's not even worth consideration. > > I myself enjoy racing sims rather than arcade sims. But there are more > quality racing sims other than GPL and N4. You'd never know that, by the > looks of the majority of the responses in this group. > > And no, I'm not a troll. I'm sure there are many more who feel the same

way > that I do, who have gone to other boards to discuss other games, ratherthan > coming here and listening to the same rehashed nonsense about GPL this and > N4 that, along with a smattering of CART talk. > > Alanb > >

I don't mind the paying part. I'm not a cheapskate. :) <<<<<---- Smiley Alert! -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <_OkI7.66020$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all thingsSim

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> >for a change... > > > >However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > > >Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > >I hope not :) > > > > I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have any

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> in a 'pay-to-play' game... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Now THIS I don't want to hear! -Larry "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9st4hp$13nc3l$[email hidden]...

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> > > I can't speak for anyone else, but *I'm* ignoring it. I don't have any > desire > > in a 'pay-to-play' game... > > > > Even if it was free, it's a piece of crap. At least it was in last days of > the beta. > It's a game for those who have time to spend several hours a day racing a > little bit and using most of the time getting parts and building their

cars. > The worst thing is how the cars handle. But maybe it is realistic. I don't > know but maybe a '66 Shelby Cobra handled that bad in the real world. > NFS PU is far better, and if they had a little better online racing with > cups and stuff.......... > But MCO can off course get better. They will ad tracks and cars on aregular > basis. If someone buys it that is. > I don't think it was "finished" the day they released it. The lag was > terrible, you could never know for sure if you was leading the race ornot.

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> Cars was jumping all over the place like in NFS PU if someone has a bad > connection. You would crash into a car just to find out after the finish > that other car could not possibly be there. It finished 50 seconds before > you, it just took a jump back to block your way for a split second. :) > > Jone. > >

MP Only... I think I will let it 'mature' a while before I install it and use up my free month :) -Larry "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:20:55 GMT, "David Erb" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <snip depressing post> > >Good luck > >Dav-Erb > > Well.. thanks for sharing, I was affraid it would be like that :( > Now the stupid question of the day: is it -only- multiplayer or can > you also drive against AI? Is the driving model indeed a step > backwards from NFS:PU, ie more like NFS4? > > Andre

Well, I disagree with that. There's nothing wrong with subscriptions, as long as there is a certain level a quality available. Just take a pole here in RAS, and ask how many would, or would not, be willing to start coughing up $10 a month again to run N4 under the SAME setup we had with NROS. I think you would be suprised by what you find... -Larry "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> 1 word for you on why it will not succeed: > > Subscription. > > Larry wrote: > > > I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things

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> > for a change... > > > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > > I hope not :) > > > > -Larry >

Don't go dissin' my Goats, man! -Larry "jlohman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:G6wI7.17746$[email hidden]... > > I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all thingsSim

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> > for a change... > > > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > > I played it in beta, and I did not enjoy it. There was nothing in the game > to make me want to buy the retail, much less spend $10 a month to play it.

I > don't mind online games, I have played EQ for about 2 years. But they have > to have something special that you can't get from a single player game,and > to me MCO doesn't offer anything that I can't get from any other net > playable game. > And besides, I hate the cars of the '60s (my opinion, if you like them,then > fine, play the game). > >

Now there you go, SimRacer. Making a post that's concise, informative, and free of the sometimes overbearing snobishness that goes on around here. What will we do :) Thanks for the info! -Larry "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EixI7.68518$[email hidden]... > > Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_OkI7.66020$[email hidden]... > > I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all thingsSim

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> > for a change... > > > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > > I hope not :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > > Having read all the previous post, I will weigh in. I got MCO last week

and > signed up and to be honest am having a blast. Yes, it is not a sim likeGPL > or N4 (and I am a diehard N4 racer, own my league as a matter of fact),but > after you spend a few days in it, build up a better car, get to level 5 > (took maybe 4 hours total, overl a couple days to get to Lvl5) you getmore > money every week (paycheck) and you get more tracks. > > $10 a month? Thats right, $10 a month. Scares a lot of folks off, good,more > bandwidth for the rest of us. The way I look at this is what else could I > spend $10 a month on that allows me to "play" (again, hardcore N4 fan, I > need downtime from serious OL racing too) whenever I want for however longI > want. $10 anywhere else might get you into a movie that will last 2 hours, > won't even buy a music CD, might get lunch for 2 at Burger King. No, $10 a > month for unlimited server time in a "game" is worth it to me so long asthe > game performs like it should. When I used get bored, I tended to go lookat > computer goodies at Best Buy. That always cost me more than $10 a month, > with MCO I can go login and probably *lose* and hour or two and it notcost > me more than $0.33 a day. Good economics in my house. > > Maybe I'm not so hung up on money because I already pay for an N4 server,a > web hosting account for my N4 league, several ISPs, etc. Another $10 just > isn't that big of a deal really. > > The game play is fine, there are bugs, sure. Someone show me the absolute > bug free patch for N4. Papy said it was done with N4, MCO looks forpatches > everytime you login. If EA is sturggling and MCO folds, guess what, they > can't charge you anymore for services they aren't providing, so EA's > troubles are not a legitimate excuse for not trying it. Neither is the > money, your first month is free. Sure you have to get the game, but howmany > games do you have onthe shelf that you paid $40 for that you played alittle > and haven't run since or at least in a long while? Several Im sure. Mineare > N3, N3 CTS, and NHeat. > > Im not trying to defend MCO, or start any argument. MCO is not a sim and > truly doesn't belong in r.a.s. just like NHeat and a few others, but hey,it > has wheels and you can drive it. Just think of what you can really get for > $10 a month somewhere else before you bash MCO. I'm sure if you could runon > a GPL or N4 server 24/7/365 you'd pay $10 a month for it and you can't > upgrade you car, lol. > > Just some thoughts, I like MCO. It is the best car *game* to come along ina > while. > >

Doooh.... Sorry I beta-tested it and there are AI cars, if you join a sponsored race set for 4 cars and there are only three humans, the third spot is filled in... As for the appreciation of the game it's been already stated by previous posts... I did kind of enjoy building a car up but the worst part was the auctions where you'd spend hours monitoring to be robbed at the last second. For me the $ they ask is way too much... I would have been ready to cash $20 for the box and not more than $5/month. Denis "Jone Tytlandsvik" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: 9stll1$15har6$[email hidden]... > There are no AI. > > You can race alone against the clock or against up to 3 other players. > Fortunately you can race with a sponsored car so you don't mess up yourown

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> when you hit the walls or other cars. This way you can earn money even if > your not an ace yet, instead of losing more money on repairs than you win. > > I have not tried NFS 4, but I doubt it as bad as MCO? > > Jone. > >

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It has been discussed a lot here in RAS that sim racing has somewhat of a scattered community. One thing I beleive MCO provides which many games don't is a real sense of community. Being able to start and join clubs within the game is a great way to make new friends and add some friendly competition among groups. Having the chance to race with your buddies and make new ones, in my opinion anyways, is almost worth the $10 price tag by itself. SimRacer wrote:

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> Larry <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_OkI7.66020$[email hidden]... > > I picked it up tonight. Looks like a decent diversion from all things Sim > > for a change... > > > > However, I'm concerned. I haven't seen any postings on MCO. > > > > Is it being totally ignored by the public? > > > > I hope not :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > > Having read all the previous post, I will weigh in. I got MCO last week and > signed up and to be honest am having a blast. Yes, it is not a sim like GPL > or N4 (and I am a diehard N4 racer, own my league as a matter of fact), but > after you spend a few days in it, build up a better car, get to level 5 > (took maybe 4 hours total, overl a couple days to get to Lvl5) you get more > money every week (paycheck) and you get more tracks. > > $10 a month? Thats right, $10 a month. Scares a lot of folks off, good, more > bandwidth for the rest of us. The way I look at this is what else could I > spend $10 a month on that allows me to "play" (again, hardcore N4 fan, I > need downtime from serious OL racing too) whenever I want for however long I > want. $10 anywhere else might get you into a movie that will last 2 hours, > won't even buy a music CD, might get lunch for 2 at Burger King. No, $10 a > month for unlimited server time in a "game" is worth it to me so long as the > game performs like it should. When I used get bored, I tended to go look at > computer goodies at Best Buy. That always cost me more than $10 a month, > with MCO I can go login and probably *lose* and hour or two and it not cost > me more than $0.33 a day. Good economics in my house. > > Maybe I'm not so hung up on money because I already pay for an N4 server, a > web hosting account for my N4 league, several ISPs, etc. Another $10 just > isn't that big of a deal really. > > The game play is fine, there are bugs, sure. Someone show me the absolute > bug free patch for N4. Papy said it was done with N4, MCO looks for patches > everytime you login. If EA is sturggling and MCO folds, guess what, they > can't charge you anymore for services they aren't providing, so EA's > troubles are not a legitimate excuse for not trying it. Neither is the > money, your first month is free. Sure you have to get the game, but how many > games do you have onthe shelf that you paid $40 for that you played a little > and haven't run since or at least in a long while? Several Im sure. Mine are > N3, N3 CTS, and NHeat. > > Im not trying to defend MCO, or start any argument. MCO is not a sim and > truly doesn't belong in r.a.s. just like NHeat and a few others, but hey, it > has wheels and you can drive it. Just think of what you can really get for > $10 a month somewhere else before you bash MCO. I'm sure if you could run on > a GPL or N4 server 24/7/365 you'd pay $10 a month for it and you can't > upgrade you car, lol. > > Just some thoughts, I like MCO. It is the best car *game* to come along in a > while.

In article <mxBI7.70993$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't mind the paying part. I'm not a cheapskate. > >:) <<<<<---- Smiley Alert! > >-Larry > Good! Then you can pay for mine, too... :-P Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <EixI7.68518$[email hidden]>, "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> writes: >Maybe I'm not so hung up on money because I already pay for an N4 server, a >web hosting account for my N4 league, several ISPs, etc. Another $10 just >isn't that big of a deal really. > Not for you. For some(maybe a lot), it is. I'm sure if I had more(any?) disposable income, it wouldn't bother me. I was on TEN for a while, which is the same thing. Now, I couldn't justify the extra cash outlay, even if it is *only* $10... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

4x4 Evo and now 4x4 Evo 2. Same company and basicly the same game. Evo 2 even looks like it brought back the monster trucks. :) MadDAWG

LOL! Can't. Got two dogs to feed... -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <mxBI7.70993$[email hidden]>, "Larry" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I don't mind the paying part. I'm not a cheapskate. > > > >:) <<<<<---- Smiley Alert! > > > >-Larry > > > > Good! Then you can pay for mine, too... > :-P > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.