Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a
Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard
serial joyport from my sblive.
When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left
slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as
a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode
then all is fine, but not when in split axis.
So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and
wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect,
only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in
GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all
ears...
BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz
Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM,
IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000
Rafe Mc
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mine did this after a few months of ownership - never could find the cause
of the problem - took it back & exchanged for a TM wheel.....
Given that our PC's are probably completely different in terms of hardware &
config then I'd say you'd be reasonably safe blaming Saitek!
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> Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a > Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard > serial joyport from my sblive. > > When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left > slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as > a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode > then all is fine, but not when in split axis. > > So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and > wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect, > only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in > GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all > ears...In Nascar 4 I'll bet? My cheapo joystick does this to, throttle the engine,
and steering wheel moves full lock.
I use to have this problem in GPL too but it disappeared.
Nascar 3 - Legends, NFSHS & PU no problems.
I've always thought the controller settings in the GPL engine were funky.
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Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
See also the "Act Labs Force RS problem." thread.
Sounds similar... I'd love to know what the root cause is.
Jonny
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> When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left > slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as > a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode > then all is fine, but not when in split axis. > > So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and > wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect, > only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in > GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all > ears...
Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> skrev i
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It might be your sound / gamecard. I (and even a friend of mine) had the
same problem, and yes it was with a sblive card. Try another sound /
gamecard.
gl (-:
Andreas
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> Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a > Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard > serial joyport from my sblive. > > > BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz > Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM, > IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000 >I don't know how far you can go with adjustment in your wheel, but I cured
the same problem by changing the ranges in my pots. I noticed, while looking
at an x-y grid, that the problem only arose at a certain value on the brake
pedal, say between 112 and 123. I moved the pot so that the total brake
travel was between 50 and 100 and the problem is bypassed in that manner. I
also had some variance in the 30-40s. So I had to shorten my brake pedal
travel to get the whole thing in between the glitches. I also have to
install new pots with the grid running. Major pain, but better than pulling
under braking or full throttle.
....did I mention that my gas pedal did the same, and when I changed either
the gas or the brake it would in turn change the other...
...chased that sucker for two weeks....
...keep notes...
Hope that helps. "-)
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"Racing! - Science for the action minded."
mark
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a
> Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard
> serial joyport from my sblive.
>
> When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left
> slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as
> a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode
> then all is fine, but not when in split axis.
>
> So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and
> wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect,
> only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in
> GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all
> ears...
>
> BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz
> Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM,
> IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000
>
> Rafe Mc
Thanks for the suggestions, this is one hell of a frustrating thing.
Just spent the last two hours with a multimeter, trying to test it via
the joyport pins, but I couldn't locate any axes or buttons! No
problem if it was set to combines axes, I could measure the resistance
no problem at standard pin-outs. But not in split axis. I'm guessing
maybe Saitek use some funky pinout setup, but then this would screw
with other games and windows controllers wouldn't work. So it's got me
stuffed.
Might try the sound card thing, but I haven't got many choices here :D
I'll pinch my brother's sblive and see how we go.
Even more frustrating is that I spent AGES changing the pots to
special audio grade conductive plastic pots, supposed to be the bees
knees. They work well, but now I struggle to keep the car on track
under braking!!! GRRRRRRR!
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:25:57 -0700, "mark jeangerard"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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>I don't know how far you can go with adjustment in your wheel, but I cured >the same problem by changing the ranges in my pots. I noticed, while looking >at an x-y grid, that the problem only arose at a certain value on the brake >pedal, say between 112 and 123. I moved the pot so that the total brake >travel was between 50 and 100 and the problem is bypassed in that manner. I >also had some variance in the 30-40s. So I had to shorten my brake pedal >travel to get the whole thing in between the glitches. I also have to >install new pots with the grid running. Major pain, but better than pulling >under braking or full throttle. > >....did I mention that my gas pedal did the same, and when I changed either >the gas or the brake it would in turn change the other... > >...chased that sucker for two weeks.... > >...keep notes... > >Hope that helps. "-)Rafe,
Might be mechanical. I had "brake creep" (for want of a better term) with
my LWFF (early model). During long-ish races, particularly in SCGT, it was
as if my engine was losing power. Finally, I discovered, in some game that
had an on-screen indication of brake pedal effort, that the brakes were
slowly coming on, eventually approaching abt. 50% effort. And I was
thinking I musta dropped a valve! Anyway, I swapped out the mechanical unit
(the wheel; left the pedals--a TSW conversion--the same), same Logi drivers,
same OS, same pgms., etc., and all was well. Poke around inside, jiggle
connections, etc. Use a multimeter (if you've got one) to measure
resistance, etc. Might work; you never know.
--Steve
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a > Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard > serial joyport from my sblive. > > When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left > slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as > a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode > then all is fine, but not when in split axis. > > So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and > wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect, > only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in > GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all > ears... > > BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz > Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM, > IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000 > > Rafe McI would say in N4 they did this to reflect the engine torque.
"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Rafe,
>
> Might be mechanical. I had "brake creep" (for want of a better term) with
> my LWFF (early model). During long-ish races, particularly in SCGT, itwas
> as if my engine was losing power. Finally, I discovered, in some gamethat
> had an on-screen indication of brake pedal effort, that the brakes were
> slowly coming on, eventually approaching abt. 50% effort. And I was
> thinking I musta dropped a valve! Anyway, I swapped out the mechanicalunit
> (the wheel; left the pedals--a TSW conversion--the same), same Logidrivers,
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> same OS, same pgms., etc., and all was well. Poke around inside, jiggle > connections, etc. Use a multimeter (if you've got one) to measure > resistance, etc. Might work; you never know. > > --Steve > > "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a > > Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard > > serial joyport from my sblive. > > > > When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left > > slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as > > a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode > > then all is fine, but not when in split axis. > > > > So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and > > wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect, > > only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in > > GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all > > ears... > > > > BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz > > Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM, > > IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000 > > > > Rafe Mc > >I've actually been trying to test the wheel with a multimeter from the
game port connector, frustrating as all hell. Thing slips about,
trying to get two probes on the pins AND turn the wheel??? Talk about
annoying :-P
I know the pedal pots are 100% but not sure about the wheel, I'll have
to check it out. The brakes and gas give the full travel (from what
the MS game controller thingy tells me) but it also shows the steering
moving with the brakes. This may take some time...
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:14:44 GMT, "Stephen Smith"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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>Rafe, > >Might be mechanical. I had "brake creep" (for want of a better term) with >my LWFF (early model). During long-ish races, particularly in SCGT, it was >as if my engine was losing power. Finally, I discovered, in some game that >had an on-screen indication of brake pedal effort, that the brakes were >slowly coming on, eventually approaching abt. 50% effort. And I was >thinking I musta dropped a valve! Anyway, I swapped out the mechanical unit >(the wheel; left the pedals--a TSW conversion--the same), same Logi drivers, >same OS, same pgms., etc., and all was well. Poke around inside, jiggle >connections, etc. Use a multimeter (if you've got one) to measure >resistance, etc. Might work; you never know. > >--Steve > >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Hey all. Lately I've been having some troubles with my wheel - a >> Saitek (ugghhh) R4 non FF running in split axis mode. In a standard >> serial joyport from my sblive. >> >> When I press the brake (z) axis, it will pull the wheel to the left >> slightly, only 5-10%. This happens with the Saitek drivers as well as >> a "3 axis joystick" setup. If I use the standard, combined axis mode >> then all is fine, but not when in split axis. >> >> So I guess I have some kind of interference between the brake and >> wheel wiring? This is very weird, since the accelerator has no effect, >> only the brake. Makes it bloody hard to brake in a straight line in >> GPL, that's for sure! If anyone has a suggestion for a fix, I'm all >> ears... >> >> BTW - T-bird 1ghz @1.4 ghz >> Iwill KK266 mobo, 256mb RAM, >> IBM 30gb hdd, sblive, Intel NIC, V3 3000 >> >> Rafe Mc >Forget the meter and get TMS.EXE. Thrustmaster Scope. If you can't find it
out there I'd be happy to mail it to you. It's under 1 meg.
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"Racing! - Science for the action minded."
mark
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the suggestions, this is one hell of a frustrating thing.
> Just spent the last two hours with a multimeter, trying to test it via
> the joyport pins, but I couldn't locate any axes or buttons! No
> problem if it was set to combines axes, I could measure the resistance
> no problem at standard pin-outs. But not in split axis. I'm guessing
> maybe Saitek use some funky pinout setup, but then this would screw
> with other games and windows controllers wouldn't work. So it's got me
> stuffed.
>
> Might try the sound card thing, but I haven't got many choices here :D
> I'll pinch my brother's sblive and see how we go.
>
> Even more frustrating is that I spent AGES changing the pots to
> special audio grade conductive plastic pots, supposed to be the bees
> knees. They work well, but now I struggle to keep the car on track
> under braking!!! GRRRRRRR!
>
> Rafe Mc
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:25:57 -0700, "mark jeangerard"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I don't know how far you can go with adjustment in your wheel, but I
cured
> >the same problem by changing the ranges in my pots. I noticed, while
looking
> >at an x-y grid, that the problem only arose at a certain value on the
brake
> >pedal, say between 112 and 123. I moved the pot so that the total brake
> >travel was between 50 and 100 and the problem is bypassed in that manner.
I
> >also had some variance in the 30-40s. So I had to shorten my brake pedal
> >travel to get the whole thing in between the glitches. I also have to
> >install new pots with the grid running. Major pain, but better than
pulling
> >under braking or full throttle.
> >
> >....did I mention that my gas pedal did the same, and when I changed
either
> >the gas or the brake it would in turn change the other...
> >
> >...chased that sucker for two weeks....
> >
> >...keep notes...
> >
> >Hope that helps. "-)
>
Mark, I've done some searching but come up blank for your tms.exe. If
you could email it to me that'd be great. (rafe AT optushome.com.au)
(replace the AT)
Thanks,
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:40:26 -0700, "mark jeangerard"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Forget the meter and get TMS.EXE. Thrustmaster Scope. If you can't find it
>out there I'd be happy to mail it to you. It's under 1 meg.
I figured so much. I hear TM has had problems of late, and TMS is an older
util. On it's way, and I hope it helps.
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"Racing! - Science for the action minded."
mark
"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Mark, I've done some searching but come up blank for your tms.exe. If
> you could email it to me that'd be great. (rafe AT optushome.com.au)
> (replace the AT)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rafe Mc
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:40:26 -0700, "mark jeangerard"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Forget the meter and get TMS.EXE. Thrustmaster Scope. If you can't find
it
> >out there I'd be happy to mail it to you. It's under 1 meg.
>
