f12001 difficulty settings

hi all, despite a coupla years of sim racing papyrus, crammond & even ubisoft titles, i know deep down in my heart that if i ever got behind the wheel of a formula one car, I'd probably not be able to get out of the pits, let alone complete a lap of a circuit. i'm sure that given a ford mondeo saloon, i'd probably crash the car on a lap around donington. i believe that simracing probably prepares me for the theory of real-life racing, but not the practical. i'm sure that those of you who have real-life racing experience can use that to enhance the first time simracing, but i doubt that the benefits work both ways to the same degree. the reason for this long pre-amble is that last night, after getting my machine stable(sorta) with f1 2001, i switched off all driving aids, bumped up the difficulty to the highest setting and did a practise session at monza. the only setting left off was clutch assistance. i guess with a 2 pedal MS FF wheel, i can't really simulate a clutch anyway. after a coupla slow laps(and spins), i managed to get the car around the track in about 1.32 (similar to my gpl time). with the AI lapping a lot faster than me, i was still able to keep up with them and even catch them on different parts of the track. i guess with a bit more consitency, i would be able to lap much faster. is this realistic? after months of gpl, i still crash now and then at the parabolica *and* lesmos. how come f1 2001 is relatively easy by comparison? in contrast f1rc seems much harder to drive with all aids off. i always felt that this was better. i guess more hours of play of f1 2001 are called for to see if maybe i am missing something. i'm certainly looking forward to it. i have temporarily stopped playing f1rc & gpl since buying f1 2001. lastly. i wish that you could take the track layouts of f1rc (with side roads, vehicles, run offs, etc) and marry it with the bumpiness of the f1 2001 layouts. what a marvellous combination. Regards all, istoff "Its easy to get lost in thought if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

Thats easy. Modernday F1 has loads of helpers for the driver, especially when compared to 1967. First you have the wings that push the car down onto the track. Next you have tires..tires so sticky you could use them for fly paper when they have been heated up. 3rd you all manner of computer intervention that prevents the car from really operating outside it's parameters. And...after driving GPL(don't look David!) you have become a better driver and a better person. :0 dave henrie <istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> hi all, > > despite a coupla years of sim racing papyrus, crammond & even ubisoft > titles, i know deep down in my heart that if i ever got behind the > wheel of a formula one car, I'd probably not be able to get out of the > pits, let alone complete a lap of a circuit. > > i'm sure that given a ford mondeo saloon, i'd probably crash the car > on a lap around donington. i believe that simracing probably prepares > me for the theory of real-life racing, but not the practical. > > i'm sure that those of you who have real-life racing experience can > use that to enhance the first time simracing, but i doubt that the > benefits work both ways to the same degree. > > the reason for this long pre-amble is that last night, after getting > my machine stable(sorta) with f1 2001, i switched off all driving > aids, bumped up the difficulty to the highest setting and did a > practise session at monza. the only setting left off was clutch > assistance. i guess with a 2 pedal MS FF wheel, i can't really > simulate a clutch anyway. > > after a coupla slow laps(and spins), i managed to get the car around > the track in about 1.32 (similar to my gpl time). with the AI lapping > a lot faster than me, i was still able to keep up with them and even > catch them on different parts of the track. i guess with a bit more > consitency, i would be able to lap much faster. > > is this realistic? > > after months of gpl, i still crash now and then at the parabolica > *and* lesmos. how come f1 2001 is relatively easy by comparison? > > in contrast f1rc seems much harder to drive with all aids off. i > always felt that this was better. > > i guess more hours of play of f1 2001 are called for to see if maybe i > am missing something. i'm certainly looking forward to it. i have > temporarily stopped playing f1rc & gpl since buying f1 2001. > > lastly. i wish that you could take the track layouts of f1rc (with > side roads, vehicles, run offs, etc) and marry it with the bumpiness > of the f1 2001 layouts. what a marvellous combination. > > > > Regards all, > istoff > > "Its easy to get lost in thought > if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:49:00 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Thats easy. Modernday F1 has loads of helpers for the driver, especially >when compared to 1967. First you have the wings that push the car down onto >the track. Next you have tires..tires so sticky you could use them for fly >paper when they have been heated up. 3rd you all manner of computer >intervention that prevents the car from really operating outside it's >parameters. And...after driving GPL(don't look David!) you have become a >better driver and a better person. :0 >dave henrie

yes dave, but i'm sure i'm a lousy driver :) i should be worse in f1 2001 than i really am. gpl with all aids off is murder for me. i feel like a pinball sometimes as i go off the rails and bounce around the track. f1 2001 has a degree of difficulty if you give too much right boot with the wheel slightly turned, but thats about all. i think i want to reinstall gp3 again and compare all the modern sims again. mind you, i'm still enjoying f1 2001, and horror of horrors, if I had to bet on it, i would say that the patched version will be better than f1rc. mind you, i will still be eagerly waiting in line for f1rc2. this time though, i will wait for the reviews first ;) as for DGF, I am keen to hear his comments about f1 2001. i believe we are of similar opinion on f1rc. As for N4. Still gathering dust for me. I don't race online at all, so the main attraction of N4 is lost on me. have a good weekend everyone. No more F1. Hope there's CART on Sunday. Go go go Helio (forlorn hope). Climb that fence Spiderman :) Regards all, istoff "Its easy to get lost in thought if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

I think the thing that makes F1 2001 seem a bit easier is that you are given so much better feedback on what the car is doing that you are seldom in doubt about how close to the edge you are. IOW I don't think it is in any way dumbed down and made deliberately easier, I think that their superior physics model (in comparison to the other modern F1 sims) and the superior handling of modern F1 cars (in comparison to GPL) just plain makes it easier to drive. Besides, if you really think F1 2001 is too easy, try Monaco. ;o) <istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:49:00 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > Thats easy. Modernday F1 has loads of helpers for the driver,especially > >when compared to 1967. First you have the wings that push the cardown onto > >the track. Next you have tires..tires so sticky you could use themfor fly > >paper when they have been heated up. 3rd you all manner of computer > >intervention that prevents the car from really operating outside it's > >parameters. And...after driving GPL(don't look David!) you havebecome a

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> >better driver and a better person. :0 > >dave henrie > yes dave, > > but i'm sure i'm a lousy driver :) i should be worse in f1 2001 than > i really am. > > gpl with all aids off is murder for me. i feel like a pinball > sometimes as i go off the rails and bounce around the track. > > f1 2001 has a degree of difficulty if you give too much right boot > with the wheel slightly turned, but thats about all. > > i think i want to reinstall gp3 again and compare all the modern sims > again. > > mind you, i'm still enjoying f1 2001, and horror of horrors, if I had > to bet on it, i would say that the patched version will be better than > f1rc. mind you, i will still be eagerly waiting in line for f1rc2. > this time though, i will wait for the reviews first ;) > > as for DGF, I am keen to hear his comments about f1 2001. i believe > we are of similar opinion on f1rc. > > As for N4. Still gathering dust for me. I don't race online at all, > so the main attraction of N4 is lost on me. > > have a good weekend everyone. No more F1. Hope there's CART on > Sunday. Go go go Helio (forlorn hope). Climb that fence Spiderman :) > > > Regards all, > istoff > > "Its easy to get lost in thought > if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

CART is live at Midnight Sat night/Sun morn here in the Eastern US... don't know where you're at tho Warlock!

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> Hope there's CART on > Sunday. Go go go Helio (forlorn hope). Climb that fence Spiderman :) > > Regards all, > istoff > > "Its easy to get lost in thought > if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

hmmm.......you say F1 2001 is too easy, yet you're 10 seconds off the pace at Monza! Iain > but i'm sure i'm a lousy driver :) i should be worse in f1 2001 than > i really am. >

What channel is that? The only channel I know of that is covering the CART race in the U.S. is ESPN, and that is tape delayed to Sunday at 1pm EST. On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:51:07 -0500, "Warlock!" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>CART is live at Midnight Sat night/Sun morn here in the Eastern US... don't know >where you're at tho > >Warlock! > >> Hope there's CART on >> Sunday. Go go go Helio (forlorn hope). Climb that fence Spiderman :) >> >> Regards all, >> istoff >> >> "Its easy to get lost in thought >> if you don't go there often" - Me, 1993

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:49:00 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Thats easy. Modernday F1 has loads of helpers for the driver, especially >when compared to 1967. First you have the wings that push the car down onto >the track. Next you have tires..tires so sticky you could use them for fly >paper when they have been heated up. 3rd you all manner of computer >intervention that prevents the car from really operating outside it's >parameters. And...after driving GPL(don't look David!) you have become a >better driver and a better person. :0 >dave henrie

Well now, I wouldn't exactly call your points 1) and 2) "helpers" exactly. They make the car go faster, but easier? I wouldn't say that. Some may even say that it is easier to drive with less grip, because you have all the time in the world to make up for big slides(comparatively). But then again, I will never know from personal experiences... <sigh> :-) On the third point, well there's really no argument, is there... But I think that it is WAY overstated. It has definitely not expanded the envelope of the car, it's more for conserving the tires and machinery(or so I have read). It has done *jack* for the laptimes, there are still plenty spinning out and the difference in speed between drivers is still the same. Even if JPM said that much of the skill is removed, there's something that makes one go faster than the other. Going from laptimes and a muted TV-screen, nobody would know the difference, I would think. That being said, I'd rather not have TC and auto-gearboxes myself, but then someone have to come up with something to control it, if we're not going to have spec. racing. Actually after the mudslinging in the beginning of the season I couldn't wait for TC to come, just to get the cheat allegations to stop.

hi, i didn't mean that it is too easy, i wrote that it seemed relatively easy compared to GPL. I don't expect to be on the pace of others after less than 1 hour of play. also, i don't ever expect to be on the pace of some folk as I am definately not alien. i expect i will always be a few seconds off the world records at any circuit as I don't have the luxury some folk have of playing everynight. i hope to get in a coupla hours this weekend at least. as to CART, I live in Cape Town, South Africa and we get the feed on ESPN at either 8pm or 10pm Sunday, depending on which US timezone, i guess. btw, i played f1rc today on without any aids. it was similar to f1 2001, so i guess dh is probably right. (what am i thinking?) oh yes, and now i'm only 8 seconds off the pace..., tomorrow, probably 6 seconds, monday, 4, etc. hell, come christmas i'll be the fastest driver around at this rate of improvement. *grin* On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:18:47 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>hmmm.......you say F1 2001 is too easy, yet you're 10 seconds off the pace >at Monza! >Iain > > >> but i'm sure i'm a lousy driver :) i should be worse in f1 2001 than >> i really am. >> > >

Regards all, istoff

<istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > as for DGF, I am keen to hear his comments about f1 2001. i believe > we are of similar opinion on f1rc. I posted the following about F12001 two weeks ago. Since then, for various reasons I haven't done much sim racing at all. I did get the steering problems sorted out a bit though. -------------------------------------------------------------- First of all, I want to like this sim a lot. I was an early fan of F12000, I liked many things about GP3, but when F1RC was released, that took the F1 crown. No silly allegiances or biases towards developers and series from me, regardless of what a few of you like to say. Completely the opposite. F12001 clearly has better AI and sound than F1RC. Graphics are excellent, but not quite as good as F1RC's, both in looks and performance. Multiplayer is better in F1RC with F1RC Relay, but we'll see what a patch from EA can do. Ubi Soft was unable to develope it's multiplayer due to FIA restrictions, so I do hope and expect EA to have better multiplayer if they aren't under the same restrictions. FF? We'll see what the patch gives us. No ghost mode in F12001 which I miss a lot. Love it in F1RC. Didn't F1200/CS have a ghost mode? Are false starts included as they are in F1RC, because I can't find that option? Replay and camera views are much better in F1RC. Track accuracy. F1RC is clearly more accurate, but F12001 isn't so far off the mark that it ruins the experience for me. Some tracks are very good. I do notice the lack of banking and camber at places like Monza when compared to F1RC. F1RC tracks are identical to the real ones based on side by side screenshot/pictures and video footage. The effects of the curbing in F1RC is much more noticeable. There are sections of curbing in F1RC which I must be aware of and use correctly or I'm off into the tire barrier. Physics. Here's where I'm having trouble making up my mind. Right now, the cars in F12001 feel similiar to GP3 in some ways (nothing like they did in F12000CS). They feel too light and somewhat sloppy, even on a long straight. I can hold my line and be much more precise in F1RC. I read many posts from people at HG saying the F12001 cars suffered from too much understeer, and they were right. F1RC gives a much more violent and physical driving experience as you push the limit. The F12001 cars seem somehwat tame in comparison. The sense of speed in F1RC is much higher too. I don't notice any dirty air effects from the AI cars either, which is something done very well and realistically in F1RC. The F12001 cars slide waaay too much IMO (GPL'ers will like this I'm sure). I've caught some huge slides in just the two days I've had it. Slides are fairly easy to catch too. I don't recall too may slides like these in real F1 in recent years. In F1RC, you can slide the cars but your fudge factor is smaller and you must be quicker. F12001 just doesn't have the ooomph that F1RC does. For comparison, in F1RC, accelerating out of Pouhon and through Stavelot, along with the thrill of Eau Rouge, is much more of a knife's edge challenge than it is in F12001. The thing is, I won't be surprised if my opinions change with regards to the F12001 car physics/handling. It could be the setups I've used so far aren't good enough. I also am wondering about how the game is working with my controller (Ferrari FF). The steering is so light (compared to F1RC especially) that I think something must be wrong. Dead zone is zero, and even with speed sensitivity set at 80%, a long, high speed straight feels loose. Also, the excess wheel spin I initially experienced with F12001 seems to have come from the fact that most of the travel of the pedal is wasted. With the throttle pressed almost all the way down, I'm still in 1st gear and doing 60mph. Sort of like having exponential throttle control in F1RC as opposed to linear throttle. I've already gotten used to this, but the situation could be a whole lot better. Braking is easier in F12001 than it is in F1RC. Don't really have to worry about locking up unless I have the gas pressed all the way down and am going very slow. In F1RC, braking is more of a challenge, and I can even control the inside wheel with the brake while turning. So basically, right now, I don't know what the hell to think about this sim. :-) David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GwiE7.169652$[email hidden]... > > Track accuracy. F1RC is clearly more accurate, but F12001 isn't so faroff > the mark that it ruins the experience for me. Some tracks are verygood. I > do notice the lack of banking and camber at places like Monza whencompared > to F1RC. F1RC tracks are identical to the real ones based on side byside > screenshot/pictures and video footage. The effects of the curbing inF1RC is > much more noticeable. There are sections of curbing in F1RC which Imust be > aware of and use correctly or I'm off into the tire barrier. ISI say they worked with the engineers at each track and used whatever data the engineers had, including dxf files. I really think the supposed track inaccuracy is just an appearance difference due to the fact that F1 2001 uses a narrower FOV than most other sims. > The F12001 cars slide waaay too much IMO > (GPL'ers will like this I'm sure). I've caught some huge slides injust the > two days I've had it. Slides are fairly easy to catch too. I don'trecall > too may slides like these in real F1 in recent years. In F1RC, you canslide > the cars but your fudge factor is smaller and you must be quicker. I've wondered about that too. I used to do a lot of aero work, although never for anything that exotic. But you lose a lot of lift/downforce when you yaw most any vehicle. If you are sliding that means you are already over the traction limit, and if you then lose your downforce on top of that it should not be possible to recover, I would think. But, like I said, I've never actually had an F1 vehicle in the wind tunnel, so I could be wrong. > Dead zone is zero, and > even with speed sensitivity set at 80%, a long, high speed straightfeels > loose. Speed sensitivity of 0% and X axis sensitivity of 14% feel pretty good to me, very linear. I think the looseness is just due to lack of FF, i.e. no on-center feel. I have not been able to find a setting for the centering spring on my wheel which feels positive enough at the center but not too heavy at the limits. Regards, Hal

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:46:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> ><istoff> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> as for DGF, I am keen to hear his comments about f1 2001. i believe >> we are of similar opinion on f1rc. > > >So basically, right now, I don't know what the hell to think about this sim. >:-) > >David G Fisher >

that sums it up for me... I keep wanting to play F1RC instead, but some little voice at the back of my mind keeps saying "but F1 2001 is supposed to be better" I think, because of the more "open" nature of the game (ini files, etc), that F1 2001 *will* be the best modern f1 sim. Maybe within the next month, this will happen. As of now, F1RC still holds the crown for me. Narrowly mind you. As you've mentioned, the ghost mode is excellent, FF feels good the track renditions are just fantastic. Regards all, istoff

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:46:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Multiplayer is better in F1RC with F1RC Relay, but we'll see what a patch >from EA can do. Ubi Soft was unable to develope it's multiplayer due to FIA >restrictions, so I do hope and expect EA to have better multiplayer if they >aren't under the same restrictions. There was a chat on high gear with the producer of EA, James Hawkins. His answer to our multiplayer questions was that they are also under FIA restrictions. >FF? We'll see what the patch gives us. Patch should be released mid nov he said, including ff. They recently hired an ff specialist to do the ff, they wanted to do it right.. sounded hopefull. Andre

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:GwiE7.169652 > Also, the excess wheel spin I initially experienced with F12001 seems > to have come from the fact that most of the travel of the pedal is wasted. > With the throttle pressed almost all the way down, I'm still in 1st gearand > doing 60mph. Sort of like having exponential throttle control in F1RC as > opposed to linear throttle. I've already gotten used to this, but the > situation could be a whole lot better.What do you mean gotten use to this ? You did not fix this ? Because it can be fixed ! Braking is easier in F12001 than it > is in F1RC. Don't really have to worry about locking up unless I have the > gas pressed all the way down and am going very slow. In F1RC, braking is > more of a challenge, and I can even control the inside wheel with thebrake > while turning. > > So basically, right now, I don't know what the hell to think about thissim. To tell you the truth, I've raced the game for a week and a half now, and yesterday a went back to F1RC. I hate the replay in F12001. It does not even come close in termes of quality of the pictures, and the sense of reality of of F1RC. In F12001 cars look like floating on the water. Compared to F12001 F1RC nearly produces 'life broadcasting' of a race ! Also, in the general the graphics of the F12001-game do not even come close to F1RC, which is one of the reasons why the feeling of speed is much worse. Furthermore, the cars are too easy to drive even without all aids off (and I mean everything). Laptimes are way to quick. One other important thing is the way understeer and oversteer is modelled. In F1RC I always SEE the car having problems with understeer, and combined with the understeering experience through FF, this is much more realistic than anything that happens with understeer in F12001. Most important for me however is that whatever I do, I've installed the game 10 times now after 110% complete deinstall, it still refuses to let me go back from racing to the main menu. It just steps out and goes back to windows. That has cost me a lot of time getting display and controller to work properly ! But I will not be bothered again. I will delete the stuff and drive F1RC again, awaiting a patch for F1RC or F1RC2. lock > :-) > > David G Fisher > >

>>Laptimes are way to quick.<< Tried Monaco, Canada or Japan? Iain