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This week I've been mostly ordering Epox KT226A mainboard AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz 512 MB DDR ram IBM 60 GB harrdisk to go with my thrusty V5. I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is months since I did any serious simracing online. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! -- --------------------------------------------------------- Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera Team FoMoCo http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html Proud member of the: -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series http://www.likereal.com -PRO Series http://www.theproseries.com/ -SCORL http://www.scorl.com "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > This week I've been mostly ordering > > Epox KT226A mainboard > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > 512 MB DDR ram > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! -- --------------------------------------------------------- Nelson "Mr_e***" Rivera Team FoMoCo http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html Proud member of the: -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series http://www.likereal.com -PRO Series http://www.theproseries.com/ -SCORL http://www.scorl.com

Since my Geforce 2 died I have pretty much the same system you have, and I have to say the V5 5500 does better in most of the really good sims. GPL is really good with that system, I haven't tried the new improved textures yet, but I heard there is version that works with the V5's. N4 is also very good with this type of system. Just make sure to get those new V5 drivers, and your set. btgoss "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This week I've been mostly ordering > > Epox KT226A mainboard > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > 512 MB DDR ram > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

"Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bd6e2d1$[email hidden]... > If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera Nelson he said he wanted to get back INTO sim racing, not spend all his time learning about drivers, and window modes and fraps and and.... :) V5=driving GeWhiz2 & 3 =driver updating/degrading for almost every different sim. dave :) henrie

Sorry, I got carryed away. That system sounded stout. Your Voodoo should be fine Olav. -- --------------------------------------------------------- Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera Team FoMoCo http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html Proud member of the: -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series http://www.likereal.com -PRO Series http://www.theproseries.com/ -SCORL http://www.scorl.com "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6wBB7.45509$[email hidden]... > > "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3bd6e2d1$[email hidden]... > > If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera > Nelson he said he wanted to get back INTO sim racing, not spend all his > time learning about drivers, and window modes and fraps and and.... > :) V5=driving > GeWhiz2 & 3 =driver updating/degrading for almost every different sim. > dave :) henrie > >

I should appologize too..just having fun at Nividia's expense. dave henrie "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bd6fca0$[email hidden]... > Sorry, I got carryed away. That system sounded stout. Your Voodoo shouldbe > fine Olav.

wot get rid of the V5 you don't one a do thattt "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bd6e2d1$[email hidden]...

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> If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera > > Team FoMoCo > http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html > > Proud member of the: > -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series > http://www.likereal.com > -PRO Series > http://www.theproseries.com/ > -SCORL > http://www.scorl.com > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

wot get rid of the V5 you don't one a do thattt

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> If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Nelson "Mr_e***" Rivera > Team FoMoCo > http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html > Proud member of the: > -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series > http://www.likereal.com > -PRO Series > http://www.theproseries.com/ > -SCORL > [link lost in import] > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying

Where do you get the new textures? "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jOAB7.929$[email hidden]... > Since my Geforce 2 died I have pretty much the same system you have, and I > have to say the V5 5500 does better in most of the really good sims. GPLis > really good with that system, I haven't tried the new improved texturesyet, > but I heard there is version that works with the V5's. N4 is also verygood

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> with this type of system. Just make sure to get those new V5 drivers, and > your set. > > btgoss > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

Olav.... Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends you keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. Anyone using a V5 currently is either: 1. Stupid. 2. Has a slow computer anyway. 3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very complicated stuff! 4. Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great system, less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! 5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice). Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new system until you can do that. 1. I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx. I could care less which video card I use in my system, except that it be the fastest and the best graphics quality possible. 2. Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim rental units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner up with me on my video card purchases. That reduces my expense for these by 1/3rd....right off the top. My business is also producing a fairly good level of income. I can afford just about any video card I want, and have over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet). That includes two V5 cards. 3. Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of us who own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 out of 5 times the new drivers result in better, faster performance. However, it is not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about a two week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year). Many, sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame rates, with those older drivers. If you are comfortable installing video drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they give you that's new and better? And, every couple of weeks you get a new set to try out! That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea out?). But, its certainly not something that is **required** if you have an Nvidia card (any model). 4. There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in business and it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver support system, and the best customer support system.....of all the other video card manufacturers. The "best company" doesn't go out of business. That has to be an obvious fact I would hope? 5. You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely fast and high-tech cpu. However, one of the best features of your cpu platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics - is the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5 card. The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, but it does NOT use the AGP video bus port. You can disable it in your BIOS if you choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resources wasted on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing it needlessly if you use a V5 video card. Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy! 6. Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can't be used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installed some very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load 512x512 textures, or does so poorly. All those cool GPL textures are 512x512....or at least the best of them are. This is a complete non-issue with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform like yours. I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (and my cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matter now many AI cars are on the track! There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak moment" graphics quality......in GPL. Under no circumstances could you do that with a V5 card. I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor platform! 7. Last thing, Olav. If I can run any video card I want on my personal racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close to the very best......if not "the best" video card? I'm hoping your answer would be a logical "yes" to that question. I haven't used one of our V5 cards on my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year. Don't you think I would still be running it if it was the best? Maybe if it was even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it? Olav, the V5 card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since the GF2 Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3 Nvidia card. So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?" I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice! Regards, Tom Pabst PS: As a side note: Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say about computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer software....or anything mechanical or technical. Dave Henrie couldn't make ice melt on a 100 degree day! He also knows absolutely nothing about sim racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims. He is, however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful. We all try to humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good. I hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of us in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feeling good. You know? It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charity thingy" you know? Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on Wheels" in your community. I used to do that all the time to put my "charity two cents" into the community pot. Now, I just respond to Dave's posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me. You can just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too. All you have to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but not realistic way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?" That would make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'll have to not worry about that). Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helping us out with Dave! "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This week I've been mostly ordering > > Epox KT226A mainboard > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > 512 MB DDR ram > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

-:) "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]... > Olav.... > > Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommendsyou

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> keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. > > Anyone using a V5 currently is either: > > 1. Stupid. > 2. Has a slow computer anyway. > 3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very

complicated

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> stuff! > 4. Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great system, > less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! > 5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less > expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice). > > Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you > purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new > system until you can do that. > > 1. I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx. I could care less > which video card I use in my system, except that it be the fastest and the > best graphics quality possible. > 2. Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim

rental > units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner upwith > me on my video card purchases. That reduces my expense for these by > 1/3rd....right off the top. My business is also producing a fairly good > level of income. I can afford just about any video card I want, and have > over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet). That includes two V5 > cards. > 3. Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of uswho > own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 out of5 > times the new drivers result in better, faster performance. However, itis > not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about atwo > week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year). Many, > sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and > their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame > rates, with those older drivers. If you are comfortable installing video > drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they give you > that's new and better? And, every couple of weeks you get a new set totry > out! That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea > out?). But, its certainly not something that is **required** if you havean

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> Nvidia card (any model). > 4. There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in business and > it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver > support system, and the best customer support system.....of all the other > video card manufacturers. The "best company" doesn't go out of business. > That has to be an obvious fact I would hope? > 5. You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely > fast and high-tech cpu. However, one of the best features of your cpu > platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics - is > the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that > feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5 > card. The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, but it > does NOT use the AGP video bus port. You can disable it in your BIOS if

you > choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resources wasted > on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing itneedlessly > if you use a V5 video card. Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy! > 6. Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can't be > used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installedsome > very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load > 512x512 textures, or does so poorly. All those cool GPL textures are > 512x512....or at least the best of them are. This is a complete non-issue > with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform likeyours.

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> I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (and my > cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matter now > many AI cars are on the track! There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak > moment" graphics quality......in GPL. Under no circumstances could you do > that with a V5 card. I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor > platform! > 7. Last thing, Olav. If I can run any video card I want on my personal > racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close to the > very best......if not "the best" video card? I'm hoping your answer would > be a logical "yes" to that question. I haven't used one of our V5 cards

on > my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year.Don't > you think I would still be running it if it was the best? Maybe if it was > even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it? Olav, the V5 > card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since theGF2

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> Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3 > Nvidia card. > > So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?" > > I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were > making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice! > > Regards, > > Tom Pabst > > PS: As a side note: Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say

about > computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer > software....or anything mechanical or technical. Dave Henrie couldn'tmake

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> ice melt on a 100 degree day! He also knows absolutely nothing about sim > racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except > slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and > hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims. He is, > however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful. We all try to > humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good. I > hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of

us > in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feelinggood. > You know? It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charitythingy" > you know? Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on > Wheels" in your community. I used to do that all the time to put my > "charity two cents" into the community pot. Now, I just respond toDave's > posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me. You can > just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too. All youhave > to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but not realistic > way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey > Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?" Thatwould > make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'llhave

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> to not worry about that). Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helping us > out with Dave! > > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:GjHB7.65708$[email hidden]... > -:) -----------snip a lot----------------- Shiiiit... you almost got me there :-)))))) - Samu

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> I should appologize too..just having fun at Nividia's expense. > dave henrie > "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3bd6fca0$[email hidden]... > > Sorry, I got carryed away. That system sounded stout. Your Voodoo should > be > > fine Olav.

hehe, thanks for the support Dave. Bring on the V5 cult :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes: <snip looooong post, probably with some irony i didn't get, too early in the morning :) > Yeah, maybe I am stupid. I've always lagged on the videocard front. I always wanted to buy the Rendition 2200 when it was released but could't find the money for it since I had to do mandatory military service in 98 when things started to get interesting. When I got out after a year, my P133 was too dated. Then I got a new PC partly financed by my employer, but it was a compaq, so I had to rebuild it, but didn't want to spend too much money on the rebuild and ended up with a V3 3000. Mostly because of GPL's lack of D3D support (then). Around this time last year, I was getting tired of the V3 and wanted a new card. The V5 with it's fully functional FSAA (which the nvidia cards couldn't give) was getting cheap so I bought one. Guess what, the day after 3dfx went bankrupt :) But this time my computer budget is better spent on a new cpu and motherboard than a graphics card, since a geforce 3 or radeon 8500 will raise the expence from 6000 NOK to 9000 NOK (that's around $600 to $900). Why not you might ask. Well, I'm not that rich. I have to save some money to go skiing, go to races (Germany or Fontana, maybe both next year, CART of course) and generally have a life :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Tom as your so knowledgeable where have you seen these new brd pedals as in you early rant Bob "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]...

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> > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

Olav, Tom is pretty much right, but you should consider getting a GF3 ti 200. I've been researching these, they cost around US$170-200 and can be overclocked to the same speed as a GF3 ti 500 at $400+, which is 50% faster. Think of running RT in 1920x1440!!! Rafe Mc On 25 Oct 2001 10:03:31 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote:

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>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes: > ><snip looooong post, probably with some irony i didn't get, too early >in the morning :) > > >Yeah, maybe I am stupid. I've always lagged on the videocard front. I >always wanted to buy the Rendition 2200 when it was released but >could't find the money for it since I had to do mandatory military >service in 98 when things started to get interesting. When I got out >after a year, my P133 was too dated. Then I got a new PC partly >financed by my employer, but it was a compaq, so I had to rebuild it, >but didn't want to spend too much money on the rebuild and ended up >with a V3 3000. Mostly because of GPL's lack of D3D support (then). > >Around this time last year, I was getting tired of the V3 and wanted a >new card. The V5 with it's fully functional FSAA (which the nvidia >cards couldn't give) was getting cheap so I bought one. Guess what, >the day after 3dfx went bankrupt :) > >But this time my computer budget is better spent on a new cpu and >motherboard than a graphics card, since a geforce 3 or radeon 8500 >will raise the expence from 6000 NOK to 9000 NOK (that's around $600 >to $900). Why not you might ask. Well, I'm not that rich. I have to save >some money to go skiing, go to races (Germany or Fontana, maybe both >next year, CART of course) and generally have a life :)

On 24 Oct 2001 16:02:20 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >This week I've been mostly ordering > >Epox KT226A mainboard >AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz Oooooh, I thought that the 1.4 mhz 286 processors were not being made anymore? ;-)

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>512 MB DDR ram >IBM 60 GB harrdisk > >to go with my thrusty V5. > >I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is >months since I did any serious simracing online.

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>Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends you >keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. > >Anyone using a V5 currently is either: > >1. Stupid. >2. Has a slow computer anyway. >3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very complicated >stuff! >4. Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great system, >less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! >5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less >expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice).

Cool, now I'm stupid.... GPL runs fine with a V5. Some (older) software I still run, including Jane's Long Bow 2 and Jane's F15, don't run on nVidia at all. All software I use today runs fine on the V5. Since I match my hardware to the software I run, I don't see the need to pay 4 times as much for a video card what will not improve the fun I've today.... Remco

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> On 24 Oct 2001 16:02:20 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. > Malmin) wrote: > > >This week I've been mostly ordering > > > >Epox KT226A mainboard > >AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > Oooooh, I thought that the 1.4 mhz 286 processors were not being made > anymore? ;-)

Damn :) But weren't the 286 8 MHz ? The 8086, had 4 or something IIRC. I remember in 1990 when my father bought a new home pc, a 386sx with a whooping 16 Mhz cpu and a 40 MB HDD. And my uncle a few months later bought a ridiculously fast 20 MHz machine :) But I spent many hours with Accolade GP circuit. Those were the days. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" <> Damn :) But weren't the 286 8 MHz ? The 8086, had 4 or something > IIRC. I remember in 1990 when my father bought a new home pc, a 386sx > with a whooping 16 Mhz cpu and a 40 MB HDD. And my uncle a few months > later bought a ridiculously fast 20 MHz machine :) But I spent many > hours with Accolade GP circuit. Those were the days. Been exactly there, done that. dave henrie > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Bob.. You have to be more specific. Where did I talk about the BRD pedals that you are asking about, or what was the subject? I hope you understand that 95% of the post above is to poke fun at Mr. Henrie and his V5 "oldies" club....he's president you know? 5% was to help Olav avoid wasting money on upgrading his system. Tom "R A Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9r8ugq$ji7$[email hidden]... > Tom as your so knowledgeable where have you seen these new brd pedals asin

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> you early rant > > Bob > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]... > > > 512 MB DDR ram > > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > > > -- > > > Olav K. Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > > > > >

Remco... 95% of that post was to poke fun at Mr. Henrie's "V5 Oldies Club".....he's president you know? However, what I posted about the V5 is true and correct. I didn't say the card was unusable. And, if you are pleased with it and how it works on your system, then you should keep it. But, if you upgraded your system to top-line......and then didn't replace the video card to "top-line"....then I'd have to say that was "stupid." That is the situation faced by Olav.....and that is what I'm referring to in the post. When a person spends hard-earned cash on a "platform" upgrade........running your racing sim "just fine" isn't in their goal package set. You know? If you spent $2000 on upgrading your car stereo system, would you leave your old 8-track cassette player "as is" because it "plays music just fine?" I don't think so! So, why advocate that its okay to do something similar with a gaming computer and video card. I don't get it, I guess? Tom "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:20:08 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommendsyou

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> >keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. > > > >Anyone using a V5 currently is either: > > > >1. Stupid. > >2. Has a slow computer anyway. > >3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very

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> >less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! > >5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less > >expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice). > > > Cool, now I'm stupid.... > > GPL runs fine with a V5. Some (older) software I still run, including > Jane's Long Bow 2 and Jane's F15, don't run on nVidia at all. All > software I use today runs fine on the V5. Since I match my hardware to > the software I run, I don't see the need to pay 4 times as much for a > video card what will not improve the fun I've today.... > > > Remco >

Oh, oh.... No "comeback" from Dave Henrie? Oh man, he's planning something big for me, I can just feel it. Yikes....... Tom lol.... "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]... > Olav.... > > Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommendsyou

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> keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. > > Anyone using a V5 currently is either: > > 1. Stupid. > 2. Has a slow computer anyway. > 3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very

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> stuff! > 4. Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great system, > less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! > 5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less > expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice). > > Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you > purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new > system until you can do that. > > 1. I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx. I could care less > which video card I use in my system, except that it be the fastest and the > best graphics quality possible. > 2. Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim

rental > units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner upwith > me on my video card purchases. That reduces my expense for these by > 1/3rd....right off the top. My business is also producing a fairly good > level of income. I can afford just about any video card I want, and have > over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet). That includes two V5 > cards. > 3. Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of uswho > own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 out of5 > times the new drivers result in better, faster performance. However, itis > not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about atwo > week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year). Many, > sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and > their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame > rates, with those older drivers. If you are comfortable installing video > drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they give you > that's new and better? And, every couple of weeks you get a new set totry > out! That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea > out?). But, its certainly not something that is **required** if you havean

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> Nvidia card (any model). > 4. There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in business and > it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver > support system, and the best customer support system.....of all the other > video card manufacturers. The "best company" doesn't go out of business. > That has to be an obvious fact I would hope? > 5. You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely > fast and high-tech cpu. However, one of the best features of your cpu > platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics - is > the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that > feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5 > card. The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, but it > does NOT use the AGP video bus port. You can disable it in your BIOS if

you > choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resources wasted > on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing itneedlessly > if you use a V5 video card. Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy! > 6. Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can't be > used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installedsome > very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load > 512x512 textures, or does so poorly. All those cool GPL textures are > 512x512....or at least the best of them are. This is a complete non-issue > with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform likeyours.

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> I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (and my > cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matter now > many AI cars are on the track! There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak > moment" graphics quality......in GPL. Under no circumstances could you do > that with a V5 card. I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor > platform! > 7. Last thing, Olav. If I can run any video card I want on my personal > racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close to the > very best......if not "the best" video card? I'm hoping your answer would > be a logical "yes" to that question. I haven't used one of our V5 cards

on > my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year.Don't > you think I would still be running it if it was the best? Maybe if it was > even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it? Olav, the V5 > card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since theGF2

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> Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3 > Nvidia card. > > So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?" > > I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were > making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice! > > Regards, > > Tom Pabst > > PS: As a side note: Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say

about > computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer > software....or anything mechanical or technical. Dave Henrie couldn'tmake

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> ice melt on a 100 degree day! He also knows absolutely nothing about sim > racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except > slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and > hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims. He is, > however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful. We all try to > humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good. I > hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of

us > in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feelinggood. > You know? It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charitythingy" > you know? Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on > Wheels" in your community. I used to do that all the time to put my > "charity two cents" into the community pot. Now, I just respond toDave's > posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me. You can > just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too. All youhave > to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but not realistic > way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey > Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?" Thatwould > make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'llhave

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> to not worry about that). Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helping us > out with Dave! > > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > 512 MB DDR ram > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

"Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > GPL runs fine with a V5. Some (older) software I still run, including > Jane's Long Bow 2 and Jane's F15, don't run on nVidia at all. That's not true, both of these sims have D3D patches for them. Now RB3D I know for sure doesn't run on anything except Glide.

revenge is a desert best served .....cold or with a tennis racket? yes...I've been 'thinking' about you Thomas... dave henrie "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zqYB7.70189$[email hidden]... > Oh, oh.... > > No "comeback" from Dave Henrie? Oh man, he's planning something big forme,

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> I can just feel it. > > Yikes....... > > Tom > > lol.... > > > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]... > > Olav.... > > > > Don't pay attention to anyone **who is using a V5 card** and recommends > you > > keep yours. Not with that great system you are getting. > > > > Anyone using a V5 currently is either: > > > > 1. Stupid. > > 2. Has a slow computer anyway. > > 3. Can't install video drivers that are one-button push....very > complicated > > stuff! > > 4. Doesn't really have a V5 and are just trying making your great

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> > less than average, so it won't be better than theirs! > > 5. Can't afford to sim race, should take up knitting or some other less > > expensive hobby (or stop giving out hardware advice). > > > > Olav, let me explain a couple things about my recommendation that you > > purchase a GF3 Nvidia card ASAP, or consider not upgrading to your new > > system until you can do that. > > > > 1. I have no emotional ties to either Nvidia or 3dfx. I could care

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> > best graphics quality possible. > > 2. Since I sort of have a "business" in the sim racing industry (sim > rental > > units for trade show and conventions), I can get the IRS to partner up > with > > me on my video card purchases. That reduces my expense for these by > > 1/3rd....right off the top. My business is also producing a fairly good > > level of income. I can afford just about any video card I want, and

have > > over 30 of them at this time (for the rental fleet). That includes twoV5 > > cards. > > 3. Installation of leaked, beta GF3 video drivers is done by most of us > who > > own Nvidia video cards because the install routine is simple, and 3 outof > 5 > > times the new drivers result in better, faster performance. However, it > is > > not necessary to continuously install these drivers (released on about a > two > > week cycle, at least that has been the history over the last year).Many, > > sim drivers are using Nvidia drivers that were released months ago, and > > their sims perform very well, at very high screen resolutions and frame > > rates, with those older drivers. If you are comfortable installingvideo > > drivers, why wouldn't you try out the new stuff and see what they giveyou > > that's new and better? And, every couple of weeks you get a new set to > try > > out! That's pretty cool I think (maybe 3dfx should have tried that idea > > out?). But, its certainly not something that is **required** if youhave > an > > Nvidia card (any model). > > 4. There is a real reason 3dfx "the company" is no longer in businessand > > it is not because they had the best video cards, with the best driver > > support system, and the best customer support system.....of all theother > > video card manufacturers. The "best company" doesn't go out ofbusiness. > > That has to be an obvious fact I would hope? > > 5. You have invested wisely in a high-tech motherboard and an extremely > > fast and high-tech cpu. However, one of the best features of your cpu > > platform for producing high-resolution, and high frame rate graphics -is > > the mobo's AGP port......of which you paid serious money to get that > > feature..... and of which, it will be completely wasted if you use a V5 > > card. The 3dfx V5 card installs into your motherboard's AGP slot, butit > > does NOT use the AGP video bus port. You can disable it in your BIOS if > you > > choose, if you use a V5 card....no sense having your mobo resourceswasted > > on running it, you've already wasted some money on purchasing it > needlessly > > if you use a V5 video card. Why subject yourself to double-jeopardy! > > 6. Most of those cool, high-res textures waiting for you in GPL, can'tbe > > used ---- or run very poorly on a V5 card (only after you've installed > some > > very finicky and rubegoldberg patches)....since the V5 either can't load > > 512x512 textures, or does so poorly. All those cool GPL textures are > > 512x512....or at least the best of them are. This is a completenon-issue > > with an Nvidia card, especially a GF3 card running on a platform like > yours. > > I run 512x512 high-res GPL textures at 1600x1200 res on my system (andmy > > cpu is not as fast as yours) with the FPS pegged at 36 FPS, no matternow > > many AI cars are on the track! There's minimum jaggies, and near "Kodak > > moment" graphics quality......in GPL. Under no circumstances could youdo > > that with a V5 card. I don't care if you had a dual 1.8 gig processor > > platform! > > 7. Last thing, Olav. If I can run any video card I want on my personal > > racing sim setup, don't you think I'd run at least something close tothe > > very best......if not "the best" video card? I'm hoping your answerwould > > be a logical "yes" to that question. I haven't used one of our V5 cards > on > > my personal racing rig for more than 9 months now, maybe its a year. > Don't > > you think I would still be running it if it was the best? Maybe if itwas > > even "equal to" an Nvidia card I might still be running it? Olav, theV5

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> > card has not even been in the same universe as an Nvidia card since the > GF2 > > Ultra was released nearly a year ago....and certainly not with any GF3 > > Nvidia card. > > > > So ask yourself, Olav "What the hell are these guys talking about?" > > > > I just thought I'd point these things out to you since a few guys were > > making some "cute" posts trying to give you hardware advice! > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom Pabst > > > > PS: As a side note: Don't listen to anything Dave Henrie has to say > about > > computers, computer hardware, computer operating systems, computer > > software....or anything mechanical or technical. Dave Henrie couldn't > make > > ice melt on a 100 degree day! He also knows absolutely nothing about

sim > > racing, racing in general, history of racing, driving a race car (except > > slowly or to the grocery store)...and he is completely "technically and > > hardware - challenged" when it comes to computers or racing sims. Heis,

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> > however, an incredibly nice guy who tries to be helpful. We all try to > > humor him on this newsgroup, and reply to his posts so he feels good. I > > hope, Olav, you'll get back into sim racing and you can join the rest of > us > > in continuing this effort with Dave's post so we can keep him feeling > good. > > You know? It will make you feel good too Olav, its kind of "charity > thingy" > > you know? Kind of like going out on weekends and delivering "Meals on > > Wheels" in your community. I used to do that all the time to put my > > "charity two cents" into the community pot. Now, I just respond to > Dave's > > posts.....serves the same sense of charity and community for me. You

can > > just think of Dave as your "Meals on Wheels" assignment, too. All you > have > > to do is just answer his posts in some kind of "serious" but notrealistic > > way......you know, like maybe say something to his post above like, "Hey > > Dave, what driver version do you use on that V5 card of yours?" That > would > > make him feel really good (he won't know the answer however, so you'll > have > > to not worry about that). Okay, Olav - we are counting on you helpingus

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> > out with Dave! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > This week I've been mostly ordering > > > > > > Epox KT226A mainboard > > > AMD Athlon XP 1600 1.4 MHz > > > 512 MB DDR ram > > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it is > > > months since I did any serious simracing online. > > > > > > -- > > > Olav K. Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > > > > >

No you're correct!! I just replaced my V5 a month ago. I don't miss it at all. It was nice in its day though. Todd "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3bd6fca0$[email hidden]... > Sorry, I got carryed away. That system sounded stout. Your Voodoo shouldbe

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> fine Olav. > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera > > Team FoMoCo > http://www.geocities.com/geigers1/index.html > > Proud member of the: > -LikeReal LAN Speed Challenge Series > http://www.likereal.com > -PRO Series > http://www.theproseries.com/ > -SCORL > http://www.scorl.com > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6wBB7.45509$[email hidden]... > > > > "Nelson Rivera" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3bd6e2d1$[email hidden]... > > > If you want to really ROCK that system, get ride of the Voodoo! > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > Nelson "Mr_eXcite" Rivera > > Nelson he said he wanted to get back INTO sim racing, not spend all

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> > time learning about drivers, and window modes and fraps and and.... > > :) V5=driving > > GeWhiz2 & 3 =driver updating/degrading for almost every different sim. > > dave :) henrie > > > > > >

Tom it was in an early post 23/10/01 active lab review I have since found out they are due mid November I have a V5 and have had no problems my reason to even spend that amount of money was for GPL which works fine I have also tried direct 3d but it all looks wrong to me trees and things look washed out so again I prefer the glide option I assume Nvidia don't support glide? As for the rant rant statement, sorry I misinterpreted your mail but a lot of what you write seems a little harsh whoever your replying to :-) I take it your in the business of supplying hardware do you have a link to a site. Regards Bob "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RgYB7.70130$[email hidden]...

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> Bob.. > > You have to be more specific. Where did I talk about the BRD pedals that > you are asking about, or what was the subject? > > I hope you understand that 95% of the post above is to poke fun at Mr. > Henrie and his V5 "oldies" club....he's president you know? > > 5% was to help Olav avoid wasting money on upgrading his system. > > Tom > > > > "R A Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9r8ugq$ji7$[email hidden]... > > Tom as your so knowledgeable where have you seen these new brd pedals as > in > > you early rant > > > > Bob > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:s8HB7.65702$[email hidden]... > > > > 512 MB DDR ram > > > > IBM 60 GB harrdisk > > > > > > > > to go with my thrusty V5. > > > > > > > > I really hope to put the spark into my sim interest again since it

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>Remco... > >However, what I posted about the V5 is true and correct. I didn't say the >card was unusable. And, if you are pleased with it and how it works on your >system, then you should keep it. But, if you upgraded your system to >top-line......and then didn't replace the video card to "top-line"....then >I'd have to say that was "stupid." That is the situation faced by >Olav.....and that is what I'm referring to in the post. When a person >spends hard-earned cash on a "platform" upgrade........running your racing >sim "just fine" isn't in their goal package set. You know?

Depends. For me, I only upgraded my mobo, CPU + mem. I already had the V5. Since the GF3 was (and still is) too expensive IMO, I decided to wait until the prices are dropped. And there're these (older) games which do work better with a glide based videocard. This upgrade was only half the price of a GF3. So far I'm still happy with the performance of the V5. I haven't seen a game yet which didn't run ok. No driver problems aswell. Of course, if I decide to change to Windows XP, I've to ditch the V5, but until then it will work fine. What saddens me is that too often hardware related questions ends in a "mine is better then yours" debate. GF3: Best card, you'll need to follow the driver updates, and you've to change the drivers sometimes if you play different games. For now very expensive, but will be supported in Windows XP, and is qua numbers the best card. V5: In specification less then a GF3, but still good enough for today's games. You'll need a fast CPU, at least above 1Ghz. Is way cheaper, has better FSAA, and will run glide games. Since 3DFX is dead, there will be no new drivers, so forget using the V5 with XP. Remco

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:11:24 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >V5: In specification less then a GF3, but still good enough for >today's games. You'll need a fast CPU, at least above 1Ghz. >Is way cheaper, has better FSAA, and will run glide games. >Since 3DFX is dead, there will be no new drivers, so forget using the >V5 with XP. Yesterday someone on vroc told me new drivers were released for the V2 card for running under XP.. Andre > >Remco >