GP3 season 2000 - opinions?

So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome change :D Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it always SHOULD have from the start :) The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the problems that were there from day 1 with that) I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it to be bought a second time. Rafe Mc

Where did you get it from? "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > > My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > > The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > change :D > > Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > > Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > always SHOULD have from the start :) > > The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > problems that were there from day 1 with that) > > I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > to be bought a second time. > > Rafe Mc > >

Since it's not available here (uk) yet, could you tell me whether the 25 fps frame rate limit is still there, and whether the graphics still look as 'clunky'? Cheers, Simon. "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > > My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > > The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > change :D > > Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > > Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > always SHOULD have from the start :) > > The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > problems that were there from day 1 with that) > > I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > to be bought a second time. > > Rafe Mc > >

Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coastsides, > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > change :D But I thought many of the F1 teams were running VCs by then, not Salisburys... Jonny

"Simon Brown" wrote... > Since it's not available here (uk) yet, could you tell me whether the 25fps > frame rate limit is still there, and whether the graphics still look as > 'clunky'? > Cheers, > Simon.Yes and yes, but I think that GP3fps works on it and I'm sure the third party carsets will be ported to it pretty soon. BTW the cars still hang in mid-air in the pits. -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.54 MonsterRank 407 and falling... "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

Agree totally, the graphics are 'updated' but they're still as dodgy as ever. On the plus side, the cockpit does look much nicer now, pretty well done. Second bonus is being able to run it in a higher res, which helps too. But if you were already running full res, then this isn't much of a bonus. Cars hanging in the air is weird, but then they suddenly start talking to you :P Creepy. Rafe Mc On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:43:19 +0100, "Tony Whitley" <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote:

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> >"Simon Brown" wrote... >> Since it's not available here (uk) yet, could you tell me whether the 25 >fps >> frame rate limit is still there, and whether the graphics still look as >> 'clunky'? >> Cheers, >> Simon. >Yes and yes, but I think that GP3fps works on it and I'm sure the third >party carsets will be ported to it pretty soon. > >BTW the cars still hang in mid-air in the pits.

i have no idea what kind of diffs they're running in F1, but there are 4 different options for setting your diff, 2 for power side, 2 for coast side. One is "difference in shaft speed", able to be set from 1 to 8 I think, the other is based on input torque, from 1 to 8 again. Bottom line is you can now set your diff up to suit yourself, rather than 3 generic settings. Works for me, car control in GP3 has never been better for getting the power down :D Rafe Mc On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:09:24 +0100, "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > >> An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been >> changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast >sides, >> with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome >> change :D > >But I thought many of the F1 teams were running VCs by then, not >Salisburys... > >Jonny >

Special update source ;) Since this is what I originally paid for and what I expected to be put out as a patch, I have no issue with it personally. If GP4 is worth the wait, then that'll definitely be on my shopping list. But that's a hell of a wait, given their current development schedule. Rafe Mc On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:06:44 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Where did you get it from? > >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? >> >> My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to >> the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is >> updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed >> a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when >> attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. >> >> The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 >> seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. >> Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. >> >> An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been >> changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, >> with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome >> change :D >> >> Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than >> 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they >> updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. >> >> Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it >> always SHOULD have from the start :) >> >> The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay >> for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to >> existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's >> certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the >> problems that were there from day 1 with that) >> >> I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, >> but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it >> further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it >> to be bought a second time. >> >> Rafe Mc >> >> >

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> > "Simon Brown" wrote... > > Since it's not available here (uk) yet, could you tell me whether the 25 > fps > > frame rate limit is still there, and whether the graphics still look as > > 'clunky'? > > Cheers, > > Simon. > Yes and yes, but I think that GP3fps works on it

Wrong! But Matti Laitinen has already released an update. > and I'm sure the third > party carsets will be ported to it pretty soon. > > BTW the cars still hang in mid-air in the pits.And of course crashed cars still levitate over the barriers. I don't see why everyone has a problem paying for a "patch". EA bring out a new "FIFA" game every year (since '95 IIRC) that just has the season's "skins" and some minor tweaks to the (appalling) "physics". -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.54 MonsterRank 407 and falling... "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.

Ever since I moved to a GF2 Ultra from a V5, running GP3 @1280 with max detail has looked pretty good to me. It does look dated and pixellated at lower res though. Iain "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Agree totally, the graphics are 'updated' but they're still as dodgy > as ever. On the plus side, the cockpit does look much nicer now, > pretty well done. > > Second bonus is being able to run it in a higher res, which helps too. > But if you were already running full res, then this isn't much of a > bonus. > > Cars hanging in the air is weird, but then they suddenly start talking > to you :P Creepy. > > Rafe Mc > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:43:19 +0100, "Tony Whitley" > <[email hidden]. c o . u k> wrote: > > > > >"Simon Brown" wrote... > >> Since it's not available here (uk) yet, could you tell me whether the

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> >fps > >> frame rate limit is still there, and whether the graphics still look as > >> 'clunky'? > >> Cheers, > >> Simon. > >Yes and yes, but I think that GP3fps works on it and I'm sure the third > >party carsets will be ported to it pretty soon. > > > >BTW the cars still hang in mid-air in the pits. >

Nobody mention the new fastlaps features, this is pretty cool and also the new EAX support, try a Quickrace and hear all the roaring of all the other cars on the grid (aka GPL) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bye Coco Rafe McAuliffe wrote:

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> So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > > My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > > The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > change :D > > Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > > Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > always SHOULD have from the start :) > > The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > problems that were there from day 1 with that) > > I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > to be bought a second time. > > Rafe Mc

In other words warez/pirated... -- [email hidden] "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Special update source ;) Since this is what I originally paid for and > what I expected to be put out as a patch, I have no issue with it > personally. > > If GP4 is worth the wait, then that'll definitely be on my shopping > list. But that's a hell of a wait, given their current development > schedule. > > Rafe Mc > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:06:44 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Where did you get it from? > > > >"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > >> > >> My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > >> the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > >> updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > >> a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > >> attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > >> > >> The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > >> seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > >> Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > >> > >> An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > >> changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > >> with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > >> change :D > >> > >> Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > >> 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > >> updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > >> > >> Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > >> always SHOULD have from the start :) > >> > >> The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > >> for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > >> existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > >> certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > >> problems that were there from day 1 with that) > >> > >> I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > >> but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > >> further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > >> to be bought a second time. > >> > >> Rafe Mc > >> > >> > > >

In article <Lmsg7.868$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > >In other words warez/pirated... Your point? The poster's point was valid. This should be a patch. -Tim

Multiplayer doesnt work in gp3 2000. We have tested it TC/IP internet and it wont connect and we race alot on TC/IP games so we are not wookies... Coco wrote:

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> Nobody mention the new fastlaps features, this is pretty cool and also the > new EAX support, try a Quickrace > and hear all the roaring of all the other cars on the grid (aka GPL) > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Bye Coco > > Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > > So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > > > > My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > > the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > > updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > > a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > > attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > > > > The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > > seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > > Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > > > > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > > change :D > > > > Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > > 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > > updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > > > > Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > > always SHOULD have from the start :) > > > > The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > > for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > > existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > > certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > > problems that were there from day 1 with that) > > > > I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > > but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > > further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > > to be bought a second time. > > > > Rafe Mc

3D sound, other car sounds, and sound for events (and many other features) are all in GPxPatch. Iain "Coco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Nobody mention the new fastlaps features, this is pretty cool and also the > new EAX support, try a Quickrace > and hear all the roaring of all the other cars on the grid (aka GPL) > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Bye Coco > > Rafe McAuliffe wrote: > > > So what do those of you who've tried the new addon think of it? > > > > My impressions? I didn't think that much was going to be changed to > > the physics, but it just *feels* a lot nicer to drive. Maybe this is > > updated physics to suit the 2000 spec cars? But the car can be pushed > > a lot harder for better lap times. I have a heap more confidence when > > attacking the chicanes, more chance that I can catch any oversteer. > > > > The *canned spins* factor that has always been so present with gp3 > > seems to have been toned down, although they still seem to be present. > > Just that the car seems a bit more *catchable* if you like. > > > > An unexpected bonus is that the setup of the differential has been > > changed totally, you are now able to alter the power and coast sides, > > with a large number of degrees of settings available. A VERY welcome > > change :D > > > > Also seems to run a tad faster, I'm now able to run 1280 rather than > > 1024. Not much faster mind you, just a little bit. Maybe when they > > updated the graphics on the circuits they optimised them further. > > > > Using controllers has been enhanced a bit too, it now operates like it > > always SHOULD have from the start :) > > > > The bottom line? It's a bit rough to expect GP3 owners to have to pay > > for the update. It should be available as a low cost 'upgrade' to > > existing owners, even as an updated patch. As a full release it's > > certainly much better than the original GP3 (but we all know of the > > problems that were there from day 1 with that) > > > > I know that most of the updates are already available on the internet, > > but I think there are a lot of subtle changes which enhance it > > further. These should be available as a patch though, not requiring it > > to be bought a second time. > > > > Rafe Mc >