Re: N4 models rear wing damage?

I'm pretty sure that it is modeled. "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backinginto > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was justbeing

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> over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force that > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > Russell > > >

I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing into the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just being over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force that would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. Russell

Yes, it's a pretty realistic simulation of NASCAR all around. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Paj97.41780$[email hidden]... > Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a > loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that > damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's thecase, > don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because alsolike

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> real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my > experiences with N4. > > Simracer > > > George Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7%i97.7906$[email hidden]... > > the whole car is modeled engine too > > > > -- > > Webmaster and owner of > > http://www.onlineautoracing.com > > "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing > > into > > > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just > > being > > > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the

spin. > > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > > > > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force > that > > > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I wouldhave > > > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not,I

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> > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > > > > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

the whole car is modeled engine too -- Webmaster and owner of http://www.onlineautoracing.com "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing into > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just being > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force that > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > Russell > > > >

Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's the case, don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because also like real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my experiences with N4. Simracer George Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7%i97.7906$[email hidden]...

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> the whole car is modeled engine too > > -- > Webmaster and owner of > http://www.onlineautoracing.com > "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing > into > > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just > being > > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force

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> > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > >

Yes, but it is "spoiler" here in redneck country, not rear wing :) If you damage part of the car that would effect your aerodynamics, it will model it. One of the problems with many leagues that run realistic damage is drivers will get involved in an incident, get repaired what can be repaired and go back out suddenly finding themselves very loose and spinning it around. Don Burnette "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backinginto > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was justbeing

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> over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force that > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > Russell > > >

Thanks to all for the replies. The reason I asked was because it appears some corners were cut when modeling damage. For example wall riding causes no damage (although the patch slows you down for a while stopping cheating). Also there appears to only be 2 states for the suspension (for each wheel), 100% OK or complete failure. So glancing blows into the wall don't hurt the car at all. It's unfortunate because I believe GPL had a few degrees of suspension failure. Don't get me wrong, I really like N4 ... just pushing for more and more realism. Thanks again, Russell "George Major" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7%i97.7906$[email hidden]...

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> the whole car is modeled engine too > > -- > Webmaster and owner of > http://www.onlineautoracing.com > "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing > into > > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just > being > > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force

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> > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > >

So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic thing under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ? How do you want that we understand you ? o-) "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: Z7l97.5673$[email hidden]... > Yes, but it is "spoiler" here in redneck country, not rear wing :) > > If you damage part of the car that would effect your aerodynamics, itwill > model it. One of the problems with many leagues that run realistic damageis > drivers will get involved in an incident, get repaired what can berepaired

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> and go back out suddenly finding themselves very loose and spinning it > around. > > Don Burnette > > > > > > "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing > into > > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just > being > > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the spin. > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force

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> > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I would have > > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > > > Russell > > > > > > > >

You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits. :) Don Burnette "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Tfl97.16810$[email hidden]... > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic thing > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ? > How do you want that we understand you ? > > o-)

Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!! Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"? "Don Burnette" wrote:

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| You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits. | | :) | | Don Burnette | | "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:Tfl97.16810$[email hidden]... | > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic

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| > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ? | > How do you want that we understand you ? | > | > o-) | | |

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Lol, yes, the original post referenced the " rear" wing, so I was stating we call it a spoiler in this part of the country. The front would be air dam or valance I guess. Don Burnette "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yyl97.52971$[email hidden]...

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> Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!! > Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"? > > "Don Burnette" wrote: > | You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits. > | > | :) > | > | Don Burnette > | > | "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:Tfl97.16810$[email hidden]... > | > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic > thing > | > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ? > | > How do you want that we understand you ? > | > > | > o-) > | > | > | > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 > >

>"R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote > Also there appears to only be 2 states for the suspension (for eachwheel), 100% OK or complete > failure. Are you sure there's no other levels then On or off? Like you said even in GPL you have more then just two levels of suspension damage. When the N4 replay analyser is released, it will give us much more information about such feature. It's a shame the customers (or at least us the hardcore customers) can't have access to that type of information. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

It would be nice if it would, like in real life, get a little bit 'better' with each pit stop though. This is something that has bugged me about Nx for a long time. There's a pre-set amount of repair you get. No more. That's not realistic. In real racing, every pit stop the pit crew can improve the situation. Not in N4. -Larry "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Paj97.41780$[email hidden]... > Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a > loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that > damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's thecase, > don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because alsolike

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> real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my > experiences with N4. > > Simracer > > > George Major <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7%i97.7906$[email hidden]... > > the whole car is modeled engine too > > > > -- > > Webmaster and owner of > > http://www.onlineautoracing.com > > "R Keating" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:9k467j$m6r$[email hidden]... > > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing > > into > > > the wall. After that, the car felt very loose. I thought I was just > > being > > > over aggressive trying to get the time back that I lost from the

spin. > > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged. > > > > > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force > that > > > would occur? It would be nice to know. If they model it, I wouldhave > > > taken the time to get it fixed. Not knowing if it is modeled or not,I

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> > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race. > > > > > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine. > > > > > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Basically here is the USA posistion, and, as we all have learned recently, this will be the correct one...:) It is a WING if it sits off the deck, held up by one or more thingamajobbies(stanchions?) It is a SPOILER if it's bottom edge is connected to the width of the car. Euro/Aussie Touring Cars use Wings. Winston Cup cars use Spoilers. Trans Am cars used Spoilers until last year when they swapped over to wings. F15's use Wings....Typhoons use Canards...but that's another story. The front of the car can also have a spoiler if it connects along it's width to the car. I believe the European word would be splitter. Heck back in the old days of Nascar, the front spoiler was little more than a two inch tab of metal sticking down from the bumper and only maybe 36 inches wide. They called 'em Chin Spoilers. other common terms that have been bolloxed up by one side or the other. Hood=Bonnet Trunk=Boot The Hospital=Hospital A Vacation=Vacation Skirts=Valence that about covers ALL the differences...I think. dave(I call em like I see'em)henrie "Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b660aec$[email hidden]... > > Don Burnette wrote in message ... > >Lol, yes, the original post referenced the " rear" wing, so I wasstating

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> >we call it a spoiler in this part of the country. > >The front would be air dam or valance I guess. > > > >Don Burnette > > > > > Must be a Southern thang Don...coz way own south (Oz) we too call it a > spoiler and at the front an air dam with or without a splitter. Though,

to > be honest, when the discussion turns to adjustable spoilers sitting up off > the rear deck, they tend to become rear wings....which kind of makessense, > no? > > Ben > >

According to Foxworthy, I am *probably* a redneck. Be that as it may, I tend to think that it should be called a spoiler regardless of where you live, etc. because that is what it is, i.e. it is not a "wing" at all. AND, I think *everybody* could use a good dose of grits... mmmmm, grits.... Please use salt on your grits, Gerald Moore "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<mBl97.5807$[email hidden]>...

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> Lol, yes, the original post referenced the " rear" wing, so I was stating > we call it a spoiler in this part of the country. > The front would be air dam or valance I guess. > > Don Burnette > > > "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yyl97.52971$[email hidden]... > > Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!! > > Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"? > > > > "Don Burnette" wrote: > > | You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits. > > | > > | :) > > | > > | Don Burnette > > | > > | "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > | news:Tfl97.16810$[email hidden]... > > | > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic > thing > > | > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ? > > | > How do you want that we understand you ? > > | > > > | > o-) > > | > > | > > | > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 > > > >

Never drink typing... /Magnus Dave Henrie skrev i meddelandet > Basically here is the USA posistion, and, as we all have learnedrecently,

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>this will be the correct one...:) > It is a WING if it sits off the deck, held up by one or more >thingamajobbies(stanchions?) It is a SPOILER if it's bottom edge is >connected to the width of the car. Euro/Aussie Touring Cars use Wings. >Winston Cup cars use Spoilers. Trans Am cars used Spoilers until last year >when they swapped over to wings. F15's use Wings....Typhoons use >Canards...but that's another story. > The front of the car can also have a spoiler if it connects along it's >width to the car. I believe the European word would be splitter. Heck

back >in the old days of Nascar, the front spoiler was little more than a twoinch

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>tab of metal sticking down from the bumper and only maybe 36 inches wide. >They called 'em Chin Spoilers. >other common terms that have been bolloxed up by one side or the other. >Hood=Bonnet >Trunk=Boot >The Hospital=Hospital >A Vacation=Vacation >Skirts=Valence > that about covers ALL the differences...I think. >dave(I call em like I see'em)henrie > >"Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3b660aec$[email hidden]... >> >> Don Burnette wrote in message ... >> >Lol, yes, the original post referenced the " rear" wing, so I was >stating >> >we call it a spoiler in this part of the country. >> >The front would be air dam or valance I guess. >> > >> >Don Burnette >> > >> > >> Must be a Southern thang Don...coz way own south (Oz) we too call it a >> spoiler and at the front an air dam with or without a splitter. Though, >to >> be honest, when the discussion turns to adjustable spoilers sitting up

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>> the rear deck, they tend to become rear wings....which kind of makes >sense, >> no? >> >> Ben >> >> > >

"Badlands" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MBF97.7462$[email hidden]... > Never drink typing... > > /Magnus:) dh

I agree it is a shame that all the great things modeled in the sim aren't spelled out. Why don't they let us now what is modeled? They should be proud of their work. If it wasn't for the people on these news groups, I'd never know all the "hidden" stuff that was modeled in any of these racing sims. Why do they keep it a secret? Russell "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:unn97.26578$[email hidden]... <CUT>It's a shame the customers (or at least us the hardcore > customers) can't have access to that type of information.<CUT>

"R Keating (snippers) . Why do they keep it a secret? > > Russell If you spent 4 years building something, would you give the plans away to competitors? dave henrie

Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z7l97.5673$[email hidden]... > Yes, but it is "spoiler" here in redneck country, not rear wing :) Hmm... IMO a spoiler (other than being a post which reveals information concerning, say, the results of a recent race... <gd&r>) Sorry, yeah. A spoiler, usually on the rear of a car, modifies the airflow in combination with the rest of the body - e.g. it may provide a re-attachment point for the flow which separated over the rear screen. A wing may well interact with the rest of the bodywork, but is a downforce-producing device in its own right. At the front of the car you can have an airdam and/or a splitter, among other things. Jonny

>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > If you spent 4 years building something, would you give the plans awayto > competitors? Telling your customers how many levels of damage there is ain't much giving anything away. I mean, just look at all the client/server information they are giving. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <%Dq97.8568$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hood=Bonnet >Trunk=Boot >The Hospital=Hospital >A Vacation=Vacation I thought Euros called vacation "being on holiday"? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <9k4n62$n2v$[email hidden]>, "R Keating" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Thanks to all for the replies. > >The reason I asked was because it appears some corners were cut when >modeling damage. For example wall riding causes no damage (although the >patch slows you down for a while stopping cheating). Also there appears to >only be 2 states for the suspension (for each wheel), 100% OK or complete >failure. So glancing blows into the wall don't hurt the car at all. >

On which realism level? I seem to remember brushing the wall at Talladega, and suffering enough damage that I couldn't keep up with the pack... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

They do on "EastEnders" hahaha "EldredP" wrote: | I thought Euros called vacation "being on holiday"? | | Eldred "Dave Henrie" | <[email hidden]> writes: | | >Hood=Bonnet | >Trunk=Boot | >The Hospital=Hospital | >A Vacation=Vacation --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001

Eldred, I run on the highest realism settings (damage on realistic). It appears that there is a range of angles where you hit the wall and slow down, but do not receive any damage. Maybe from 0 degrees to 30 degrees. I have no idea of the exact angles, just a guess. Russell "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <9k4n62$n2v$[email hidden]>, "R Keating"<[email hidden]>

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> writes: > > >Thanks to all for the replies. > > > >The reason I asked was because it appears some corners were cut when > >modeling damage. For example wall riding causes no damage (although the > >patch slows you down for a while stopping cheating). Also there appears

to > >only be 2 states for the suspension (for each wheel), 100% OK or complete > >failure. So glancing blows into the wall don't hurt the car at all. > > > > On which realism level? I seem to remember brushing the wall atTalladega, and

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> suffering enough damage that I couldn't keep up with the pack... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Nono Eldred. Holiday for a Brit is when the teabags need changing... dave henrie "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3Zha7.62256$[email hidden]... > They do on "EastEnders" hahaha > > "EldredP" wrote: > | I thought Euros called vacation "being on holiday"? > | > | Eldred

Nono Eldred. Holiday for a Brit is when the teabags need changing... dave henrie

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> They do on "EastEnders" hahaha > | I thought Euros called vacation "being on holiday"? > | > | Eldred