Hello R.A.S. Gurus,
Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or
faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge'
difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are
we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game
today or even within a year?
Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All
replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.
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AMD or Intel for sim racing?
Thom J asked whether AMD or Intel CPUs make a meaningful difference for sims now or within a year. Most said performance was close, with Athlons offering better value and floating-point performance, while some praised Intel chipset stability. The discussion wandered into Thom's new 22-inch ViewSonic monitor.
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I don't have a +1000mhz cpu, but I can't see it making any difference- I
mean the 1.5 mhz P4 that costs X today, in two or three months there's a
1.8mhz AMD or whatever, and vice versa ad infinitum.
Find your budget, and find what's best in that. Whatever you buy there'll
be faster and cheaper soon after whether it's AMD or Intel.
I am only looking at AMD for myself, as I'm on a budget,, and a 1ghz Tbird
is my limit.
cheers
John
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> Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > today or even within a year? > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.Besides the avg temp. I dont see enough of a difference to warrant buying
either one. lol.
Charlie
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> Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > today or even within a year? > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/2001 > > >the difference is that for the price of the intel you can get the same AMD
with more ram or a better video or a larger HDD...in terms of pure
performance they are too close for us to measure with the naked eye but for
the same amount pof money you just get more if you buy an AMD chip.
Never forget that CPU is not all, my latest big GPL frame rate improvement
was moving from a tnt2 to a geforce ii mx, still having my good ole trusty
athlon 700.
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> Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > today or even within a year? > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/2001 > >On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:33:40 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>the difference is that for the price of the intel you can get the same AMD
>with more ram or a better video or a larger HDD...in terms of pure
Only problem with your theory-- the AMD chips, at least 3 or 4 months
ago, usually cost a bit more than Intel boards. In the end there
really isn't a price difference.
>performance they are too close for us to measure with the naked eye but for
>the same amount pof money you just get more if you buy an AMD chip.
>Never forget that CPU is not all, my latest big GPL frame rate improvement
>was moving from a tnt2 to a geforce ii mx, still having my good ole trusty
>athlon 700.
Well Charlie this is what I was thinking but since I have been
reading *so* much about this 1.3 AMD is better then this 1.4
P4 etc.. I just wanted to ask the folks here who usually gives
me a good assessment. I have an Intel P3 1ghz cpu now and
for me it kicks butt without any 'burps or hiccups' at all!!
Thanx for the info Thom_j.
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| Besides the avg temp. I dont see enough of a difference to warrant buying | either one. lol. | | Charlie | | "Thom j." wrote: | > Hello R.A.S. Gurus, | > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or | > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' | > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are | > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game | > today or even within a year? | > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All | > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:15:28 GMT, ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:33:40 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>the difference is that for the price of the intel you can get the same AMD
>>with more ram or a better video or a larger HDD...in terms of pure
>Only problem with your theory-- the AMD motherboards, at least 3 or 4
months
ago, usually cost a bit more than Intel boards. In the end there
really isn't a price difference.
Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos?
Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the
difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board, against a
saving of $200 for a 1ghz cpu (P3 vs T-bird) so the AMD wins out.
But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you
have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here,
the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs
$720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs
only $50 now, so that's not an issue.
But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if
you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the
upgrade becomes even less important.
Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or
for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel
fan.
Rafe Mc
On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:15:28 GMT, ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Only problem with your theory-- the AMD chips, at least 3 or 4 months
>ago, usually cost a bit more than Intel boards. In the end there
>really isn't a price difference.
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:48:49 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
wrote:
My *game* benchmark.
Intel P4 1.5ghz ----------------------------------------------------
AMD 1.33ghz ----------------------------------------------------
You decide.
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>Hello R.A.S. Gurus, >Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or >faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' >difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are >we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game >today or even within a year? >Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All >replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 04:25:52 GMT, [email hidden] (Rafe
McAuliffe) wrote:
>Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos?
>Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the
>difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board,
I got my FIC-AD11 (AMD 761 DDR mb) for $120.00 USD, I don't think
that's any more expensive than any Intel chipset mb.
fwiw
Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and
w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my
little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f
monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-)
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| Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos? | Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the | difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board, against a | saving of $200 for a 1ghz cpu (P3 vs T-bird) so the AMD wins out. | | But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you | have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here, | the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs | $720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs | only $50 now, so that's not an issue. | | But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if | you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the | upgrade becomes even less important. | | Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or | for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel | fan. | Rafe Mc> fwiw
> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and
> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my
> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f
> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-)
So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bother even
looking?
My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to the
fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is probably
better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to the fact that
those games are generally optimized for the P4.
First jalo, If you read my original post I explained why I asked the
question so please read the original post! It pays to be informed!!
Now, I also wanted to see if it was worth upgrading soon? Get it?
Good!! <BFG>
"jalo" wrote:
| So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bothereven
| looking?
| My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to the
| fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is probably
| better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to the factthat
| those games are generally optimized for the P4.
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Price
Intel P4 1.5ghz ----------------------------------------------------
AMD 1.33ghz ----------------
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> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:48:49 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > >Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > >faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > >difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > >we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > >today or even within a year? > >Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > >replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j. > > My *game* benchmark. > > Intel P4 1.5ghz ---------------------------------------------------- > AMD 1.33ghz ---------------------------------------------------- > > You decide.Quoted text (8 lines)
> Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > today or even within a year? > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j.On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:24:08 GMT, "Robert Briggs"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>AMD relies on third party companies (Viatech and Ali Magik) for their
>chipsets. Big difference here.
AMD now makes their own chipsets too.
I've been a "Celeron guy" for 3 years... however on my last update I opted
for an AMD system.
I would say that a AMD system probably gives you more "bang" for the buck.
In my case, I could get a new Mobo, CPU, Fans etc., and a 64mb GF2 Pro card
for just about the same price I would have paid for the P4 *processor*...
(not orgetting that I also would have needed to buy a new motherboard and
expensive RDRAM (I got 384mb) on top of that..)
P4 should get more accessible tho as new motherboards and chipsets now
support SDRAM or DDR ram instead of the RDRAM only boards a few months ago..
In the end I dont it matter much if the "sticker" says AMD or Intel...
"upgradeability" and budget will do that job.
ed_
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> Hello R.A.S. Gurus, > Ok. I'm the first and worse to have any idea which is better or > faster AMD or Intel? My questions are: Is there really a 'huge' > difference between these two in speed, if so how much & are > we going to see a *huge* difference in any sim-game or game > today or even within a year? > Honestly this enquiring mind would like to know! Any & All > replies welcome! Even stupid ones! :-) Tia..Thom_j."jalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Agree with you Jalo, what is he really asking for (yes, I re-read the
original post)?
-but I didn't know that games where optimized for P4-instructions already...
My guess is these needed instructions are not even in the compilers for a
long time, hence we won't notice anything for a year or so.
--
JoHS, Norway
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>> fwiw >> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and >> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my >> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f >> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-) > > So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bother > even looking? > My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to > the fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is > probably better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to > the fact that those games are generally optimized for the P4. >In article <coI67.5936$[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...
>Very few posts are regarding Intel-based versions of each of these big name
>motherboard manufactureres. Ninety percent of the problems posted there
>deal with AMD and how to get the darn thing to run right. That's gotta tell
>you something.
>
>Like the old saying, "You get what you pay for."
Look at the Intel-weenie post standard FUD-faire.
-Tim
Yes this is my major hold back!! The extremely high price of
the new ram that you must use instead of the P3 ram!!! Phew
is this ram expensive!! All the other I have a great source that
I can upgrade with hardly any investment... - Thom_j.
"Ed Solheim" wrote:
| I've been a "Celeron guy" for 3 years... however on my last update Iopted
| for an AMD system.
| I would say that a AMD system probably gives you more "bang" for the buck.
| In my case, I could get a new Mobo, CPU, Fans etc., and a 64mb GF2 Procard
| for just about the same price I would have paid for the P4 *processor*...
| (not orgetting that I also would have needed to buy a new motherboard and
| expensive RDRAM (I got 384mb) on top of that..)
|
| P4 should get more accessible tho as new motherboards and chipsets now
| support SDRAM or DDR ram instead of the RDRAM only boards a few monthsago..
|
| In the end I dont it matter much if the "sticker" says AMD or Intel...
| "upgradeability" and budget will do that job.
|
| ed_
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Again!! I only wanted to know if the titles are ok for P3 now
& a year from now or is P4 the way to go now!!.. No more,
No less.. phew talk about thick!!
"Jo H�var Slangsvold" wrote:
| Agree with you Jalo, what is he really asking for (yes, I re-read the
| original post)?
| -but I didn't know that games where optimized for P4-instructionsalready...
| My guess is these needed instructions are not even in the compilers for a
| long time, hence we won't notice anything for a year or so.
| --
| JoHS, Norway
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When you talk about "popular games" like Q3, etc., basically I think
Intel has put a bit of money into those games for a specific purpose.
That is, to show how well a game will run if P4 optimized. Q3 gets
targeted because EVERYONE compares how their system runs Q3 on the
internet (not talking us simmers, but review ans o'clocking sites)
So Intel optimize Q3, then everyone says "wow, it runs games so fast",
but it only happens with one or two games, so it's a bit of a moot
point. AMD did the same thing with Q2 when they released 3DNOW!, to
show the speed improvement and impress people. Fancy marketing tricks.
It'll take a while for any proggies to carry P4 optimisation, but by
the time they do, AMD chips will support it as well, so the P4 will
still be a loser IMO.
Rafe Mc
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>> fwiw >> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and >> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my >> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f >> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-) > >So what are you asking? If your P3 is running fine for you, why bother even >looking? >My personal opinion is that the Athlon is better for sims. Only due to the >fact that it has a better floating point unit. However the P4 is probably >better for "popular" games, say like Quake and Unreal. Due to the fact that >those games are generally optimized for the P4. > >Good to hear, not much point upgrading with that kind of power.
Nothing like a fancy monitor to give the full immersion factor. Gotta
love those 19" jobbies! What's a P220f monitor btw? Flat screen?
Rafe Mc
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>fwiw >Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and >w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my >little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f >monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-) > >"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote: >| Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos? >| Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the >| difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board, against a >| saving of $200 for a 1ghz cpu (P3 vs T-bird) so the AMD wins out. >| >| But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you >| have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here, >| the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs >| $720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs >| only $50 now, so that's not an issue. >| >| But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if >| you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the >| upgrade becomes even less important. >| >| Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or >| for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel >| fan. >| Rafe Mc > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/2001 >
>In my experience Intel cost more but run much cooler, are more trouble-free
>and reliable. How many professional servers do you know running AMD in
>their computers?
Agreed that there tends to be more trouble with AMD, largely due to
the VIA chipset. AMD are beginning to make their own chipsets now,
hopefully they'll be less dependant on them.
And the reason there's only Intel servers is because AMD only released
their server chipset and CPUs a month or two ago. Intel's had the
market for ages.
Rafe Mc
Hmm? Rafe I never knew this but this is why I wanted the thread
to have a life of its own! Apparently both AMD & Intel will slide
some bucks' here & there to show the consumer [whether it is a
valid point or not] that their chip us better then the others! So in
essence its a "who's on first" kinda thing? Interesting..
"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote:
"Thom_j." wrote:
| >> fwiw
| >> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and
| >> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my
| >> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f
| >> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-)
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| When you talk about "popular games" like Q3, etc., basically I think | Intel has put a bit of money into those games for a specific purpose. | That is, to show how well a game will run if P4 optimized. Q3 gets | targeted because EVERYONE compares how their system runs Q3 on the | internet (not talking us simmers, but review ans o'clocking sites) | | So Intel optimize Q3, then everyone says "wow, it runs games so fast", | but it only happens with one or two games, so it's a bit of a moot | point. AMD did the same thing with Q2 when they released 3DNOW!, to | show the speed improvement and impress people. Fancy marketing tricks. | | It'll take a while for any proggies to carry P4 optimisation, but by | the time they do, AMD chips will support it as well, so the P4 will | still be a loser IMO. | | Rafe Mc | |The P220f is the Professional Series 22" CRT monitor by ViewSonic
Rafe. I was a NEC dude for years but when I got my 19" PS790 I've never
found any other name brand that comes close for the money to
the ViewSonic..imho I do alot of computer graphics & photography
so the 'huge' monitor really helps in detailing and this monitor can be
set to match any printer spot-on! The gaming quality is just amazing!
I cant say enough about VeiwSonic but I'm bias now..<g>
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| Good to hear, not much point upgrading with that kind of power. | Nothing like a fancy monitor to give the full immersion factor. Gotta | love those 19" jobbies! What's a P220f monitor btw? Flat screen? | | Rafe Mc | |Quoted text (27 lines)
| | >fwiw | >Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and | >w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my | >little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f | >monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-) | > | >"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote: | >| Are you saying that the AMD mobos are pricier than the Intel mobos? | >| Probably agree with you if that's what you're saying. But the | >| difference is $50 (Australian) extra for the AMD board, against a | >| saving of $200 for a 1ghz cpu (P3 vs T-bird) so the AMD wins out. | >| | >| But if you were to compare similar performance, not clock speed, you | >| have to go to a 1.4-1.5 ghz P4 to get similar performance. Over here, | >| the cost of a 1.5 ghz P4 is $500 extra, more than double! ($220 vs | >| $720). Agreed, the P4 comes with 128mb RDRAM, but PC133 SDRAM costs | >| only $50 now, so that's not an issue. | >| | >| But back to the question at hand, you won't see much improvement if | >| you've got a P3 1ghz chip. And if you o'clock it a bit, then the | >| upgrade becomes even less important. | >| | >| Wait until the Athlon 4 is out and the price of T-birds comes down, or | >| for the price of P4's to drop (a LONG way!) if you are a big Intel | >| fan. | >| Rafe McIn article <6ee77.25245$[email hidden]>, "Thom j."
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Out of curiousity, how much WAS that? I was considering buying a 21" screen(I
only have a 17" now). I had ordered one from UBid, but it got lost in
transit... :(
Eldred
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>The P220f is the Professional Series 22" CRT monitor by ViewSonic >Rafe. I was a NEC dude for years but when I got my 19" PS790 I've never >found any other name brand that comes close for the money to >the ViewSonic..imho I do alot of computer graphics & photography >so the 'huge' monitor really helps in detailing and this monitor can be >set to match any printer spot-on! The gaming quality is just amazing! >I cant say enough about VeiwSonic but I'm bias now..<g> >Sure Eldred... $749.95 shipping free from outpost.com.
They ship this monitor out of Ohio so its really close to
you!! You'll love it too but just to be sure go to a store
that has one! Your taste might not be the same as mine.
-Thom_j.
"O" yea btw: the shipping weight is 80lbs! yikes. :-)
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| Out of curiousity, how much WAS that? I was considering buying a 21"screen(I
| only have a 17" now). I had ordered one from UBid, but it got lost in
| transit... :(
|
| Eldred
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| >The P220f is the Professional Series 22" CRT monitor by ViewSonic | >Rafe. I was a NEC dude for years but when I got my 19" PS790 I've never | >found any other name brand that comes close for the money to | >the ViewSonic..imho I do alot of computer graphics & photography | >so the 'huge' monitor really helps in detailing and this monitor can be | >set to match any printer spot-on! The gaming quality is just amazing! | >I cant say enough about VeiwSonic but I'm bias now..<g>I've got an outdated system now (Intel PIII 450 mHz, Mb ram) and I paid
dearly for it two years ago along with a Voodoo3 3000 AGP card,
But
it's been reliable and it runs almost every game without problem.
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"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> >In my experience Intel cost more but run much cooler, are more
trouble-free
> >and reliable. How many professional servers do you know running AMD in
> >their computers?
>
> Agreed that there tends to be more trouble with AMD, largely due to
> the VIA chipset. AMD are beginning to make their own chipsets now,
> hopefully they'll be less dependant on them.
>
> And the reason there's only Intel servers is because AMD only released
> their server chipset and CPUs a month or two ago. Intel's had the
> market for ages.
>
> Rafe Mc
>
Hi all,
When I was buying my new system around the turn of the year, I looked
at the options available then purely in terms of performance. It
seemed that the T.bird was running the top Intel CPUs pretty close in
terms of aggregate benchmarks, but was a clear winner (20-30% ahead)
in terms of floating point operations. Since I was buying the system
primarily for audio processing, which relies a lot on that aspect of
performance, it was a no-brainer to choose AMD (1.2GHz T.bird being
the best on offer at the time).
Sims would also benefit from good floating point performance, so that
might be something worth thinking about. I just had a quick look to
see if I could find some of the links that I gathered my information
from, but I didn't get that far. If it really matters to you to get to
the bottom of this (i.e., if you're about to buy a new system or
upgrade) then I suggest you get out there and track down some
comparative benchmarks, as Intel may have caught up a bit by now
anyways.
Setting the system up took some effort, but it was easier than the
last Intel-based system I built. That system used an Intel branded
mobo, which is something that I will never bother with again. (That
was way back in the P133 days though.) Anyway, in short, here is at
least one "Intel man" who was happily converted to the AMD camp and
remains very pleased with the price/performance ratio six months down
the road.
-= mike =-
Now if only all the big sites would use GPL, N4 and (soon) WSC as
their benchmarks...
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:43:24 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
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>Hmm? Rafe I never knew this but this is why I wanted the thread >to have a life of its own! Apparently both AMD & Intel will slide >some bucks' here & there to show the consumer [whether it is a >valid point or not] that their chip us better then the others! So in >essence its a "who's on first" kinda thing? Interesting.. > >"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote: >| When you talk about "popular games" like Q3, etc., basically I think >| Intel has put a bit of money into those games for a specific purpose. >| That is, to show how well a game will run if P4 optimized. Q3 gets >| targeted because EVERYONE compares how their system runs Q3 on the >| internet (not talking us simmers, but review ans o'clocking sites) >| >| So Intel optimize Q3, then everyone says "wow, it runs games so fast", >| but it only happens with one or two games, so it's a bit of a moot >| point. AMD did the same thing with Q2 when they released 3DNOW!, to >| show the speed improvement and impress people. Fancy marketing tricks. >| >| It'll take a while for any proggies to carry P4 optimisation, but by >| the time they do, AMD chips will support it as well, so the P4 will >| still be a loser IMO. >| >| Rafe Mc >| >| >"Thom_j." wrote: >| >> fwiw >| >> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and >| >> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my >| >> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f >| >> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-) > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 >Wow, sounds good. I was looking at a 21" Viewsonic myself, but
couldn't stretch the budget enough :( Pretty happy with my 19" baby
anyway, does very nicely. Maybe a viewsonic for my brother when he
upgrades, they sound like the bees knees.
Rafe Mc
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:55:17 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
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>Sure Eldred... $749.95 shipping free from outpost.com. >They ship this monitor out of Ohio so its really close to >you!! You'll love it too but just to be sure go to a store >that has one! Your taste might not be the same as mine. >-Thom_j. >"O" yea btw: the shipping weight is 80lbs! yikes. :-) > >"EldredP" wrote: >| Out of curiousity, how much WAS that? I was considering buying a 21" >screen(I >| only have a 17" now). I had ordered one from UBid, but it got lost in >| transit... :( >| >| Eldred > >"Thom j." writes: >| >The P220f is the Professional Series 22" CRT monitor by ViewSonic >| >Rafe. I was a NEC dude for years but when I got my 19" PS790 I've never >| >found any other name brand that comes close for the money to >| >the ViewSonic..imho I do alot of computer graphics & photography >| >so the 'huge' monitor really helps in detailing and this monitor can be >| >set to match any printer spot-on! The gaming quality is just amazing! >| >I cant say enough about VeiwSonic but I'm bias now..<g> > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/2001 >Yea that would be really nice!! It sure might help WSC become
a reality faster or atleast help a bit..<g>
"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote:
| Now if only all the big sites would use GPL, N4 and (soon) WSC as
| their benchmarks...
|
| Rafe Mc
|
|"Thom j." wrote:
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| | >Hmm? Rafe I never knew this but this is why I wanted the thread | >to have a life of its own! Apparently both AMD & Intel will slide | >some bucks' here & there to show the consumer [whether it is a | >valid point or not] that their chip us better then the others! So in | >essence its a "who's on first" kinda thing? Interesting.. | > | >"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote: | >| When you talk about "popular games" like Q3, etc., basically I think | >| Intel has put a bit of money into those games for a specific purpose. | >| That is, to show how well a game will run if P4 optimized. Q3 gets | >| targeted because EVERYONE compares how their system runs Q3 on the | >| internet (not talking us simmers, but review ans o'clocking sites) | >| | >| So Intel optimize Q3, then everyone says "wow, it runs games so fast", | >| but it only happens with one or two games, so it's a bit of a moot | >| point. AMD did the same thing with Q2 when they released 3DNOW!, to | >| show the speed improvement and impress people. Fancy marketing tricks. | >| | >| It'll take a while for any proggies to carry P4 optimisation, but by | >| the time they do, AMD chips will support it as well, so the P4 will | >| still be a loser IMO. | >| | >| Rafe Mc | >| | >| | >"Thom_j." wrote: | >| >> fwiw | >| >> Rafe this is just what I did! Have a P3 1ghz_cpu o/c to 1.22 and | >| >> w/ my abit SA6R mobo w/512megs of ram w/ GF2GTS'Pro my | >| >> little computer smokes for me! <g> Also I just bought the P220f | >| >> monitor & this made my puter look & feel almost real! Wow! :-)For me Rafe, It's the best $750 I've spent in a long time! Not
just for gaming either! I can do my graphic and photography
work with more precise detail now!
"Rafe McAuliffe" wrote:
"Thom j." wrote:
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| >| >found any other name brand that comes close for the money to
| >| >the ViewSonic..imho I do alot of computer graphics & photography
| >| >so the 'huge' monitor really helps in detailing and this monitor canbe
| >| >set to match any printer spot-on! The gaming quality is just amazing!
| >| >I cant say enough about VeiwSonic but I'm bias now..<g>
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| Wow, sounds good. I was looking at a 21" Viewsonic myself, but | couldn't stretch the budget enough :( Pretty happy with my 19" baby | anyway, does very nicely. Maybe a viewsonic for my brother when he | upgrades, they sound like the bees knees. | | Rafe Mc | |Quoted text (19 lines)
| | >Sure Eldred... $749.95 shipping free from outpost.com. | >They ship this monitor out of Ohio so its really close to | >you!! You'll love it too but just to be sure go to a store | >that has one! Your taste might not be the same as mine. | >-Thom_j. | >"O" yea btw: the shipping weight is 80lbs! yikes. :-) | > | >"EldredP" wrote: | >| Out of curiousity, how much WAS that? I was considering buying a 21" | >screen(I | >| only have a 17" now). I had ordered one from UBid, but it got lost in | >| transit... :( | >| | >| Eldred | > | >"Thom j." writes: | >| >The P220f is the Professional Series 22" CRT monitor by ViewSonic | >| >Rafe. I was a NEC dude for years but when I got my 19" PS790 I'veIn article <JYA77.27327$[email hidden]>, "Thom j."
<[email hidden]> writes:
>For me Rafe, It's the best $750 I've spent in a long time! Not
>just for gaming either! I can do my graphic and photography
>work with more precise detail now!
Yow... That's a bit(read: a LOT) out of my budget... :(
Eldred
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Sorry Eldred but you should see some of the really high prices
they're getting for the P220f on other sites... Holy Sh_t!! Since
I use it for my graphics & photography too it was money well
spent on my end!! Good luck in your search tho'.. -Thom_j.
"EldredP" wrote:
| Yow... That's a bit(read: a LOT) out of my budget... :(
|
| Eldred
"Thom j."writes:
| >For me Rafe, It's the best $750 I've spent in a long time! Not
| >just for gaming either! I can do my graphic and photography
| >work with more precise detail now!
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And a valid business deduction I'm sure as well <g>
Rafe Mc
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:34:56 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]>
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