AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asus mb. the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter than my 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? dave henrie

Hi Dave, It sounds a touch hot, most of the Athalons 1.3 up, I not only have the heatsink and fan on, but also have TWO case airflow exit fans as well, you'll see the positions for these above the serial & parallel ports and poss also on the front at the bottom depending on the case. Also make sure the glue for the heatsink has been applied because in most cases the heatsink NEEDS to be 'flush' on the processor. Possibly overkill - but you can't be too sure. Regards, Matt Wilson Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2667.383532$[email hidden]... > My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asusmb. > the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter thanmy > 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? > dave henrie > >

That's kinda warm but the chip should survive it. A lot depends on what kind of fan/heatsink combo is installed. We build a lot of Athlon systems and use Coolermaster's EP5-6151 unit (www.coolermaster.com). So far, it characteristically drops CPU temps at least 10 degrees lower than most OEM units, and it doesn't break the bank. Another thing we do is, whatever paste or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure the surface of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat and burr/pit free. Make sure the CPU die itself is also clean, then apply a thin film of quality heatsink grease to the surface of the die only, don't slather it over the whole CPU. The thermal interface between the die and the heatsink is critical, so you can't be too careful here. Once that's been taken care of, check your temps, and if they're still not to your liking, start adding case fans or run with the side cover off. Good luck. Doug Dave Henrie wrote: > My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asus mb. > the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter than my > 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? > dave henrie

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:03:10 GMT, Doug Schneider <[email hidden]> wrote: >Another thing we do is, whatever paste >or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure the surface >of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat and burr/pit >free. Yea, a good way to do this is to get some fine grit sand paper and smooth the surface of that heat sink down. Some people even sand down the cpu core, but I haven't done that myself.

Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth 5-10 fps IMO. Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc. Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will drop to 96*F when at idle. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif Charlie > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Another thing we do is, whatever paste > >or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure thesurface > >of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat andburr/pit > >free. > > Yea, a good way to do this is to get some fine grit sand paper and > smooth the surface of that heat sink down. Some people even sand down > the cpu core, but I haven't done that myself. >

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth >5-10 fps IMO. Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc. > Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will drop >to 96*F when at idle. >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif > > Charlie

I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their heatsinks.

lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Its called lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when you say that you sand your heatsink? Charlie "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a > >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth > >5-10 fps IMO. Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a > >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc. > > Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will

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> >to 96*F when at idle. > >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif > > > > Charlie > > I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments > in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their > heatsinks. >

ok regardless of who's the real 'weanie' Should he have the thermal past only on the small raised rectangle in the center of the chip or all the chip's surface. And what about those 4 rubber footies(sorry for using technical language) on the top of the chip in the 4 corners.?? dave henrie "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D_h67.2950$[email hidden]...

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> lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's > that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Its called > lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when > you say that you sand your heatsink? > > Charlie > > "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in

message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes witha > > >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seemworth > > >5-10 fps IMO. Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to havea

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> > >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc. > > > Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will > drop > > >to 96*F when at idle. > > >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif > > > > > > Charlie > > > > I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments > > in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their > > heatsinks. > > > >

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Rubber feet are to stabilize and take pressure off the processor when the heatsink and fan are clamped down. It doesnt take much paste to be sufficient. here is a link for some good info on applying thermal compound. http://www.thetechzone.com/reviews/roundup/thermal_compound/page3.htm Charlie "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y2i67.385648$[email hidden]... > ok regardless of who's the real 'weanie' Should he have the thermalpast

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> only on the small raised rectangle in the center of the chip or all the > chip's surface. And what about those 4 rubber footies(sorry for using > technical language) on the top of the chip in the 4 corners.?? > dave henrie > "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:D_h67.2950$[email hidden]... > > lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's > > that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Its

called > > lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self aswhen

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> > you say that you sand your heatsink? > > > > Charlie > > > > "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes

with > a > > > >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem > worth > > > >5-10 fps IMO. Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more tohave

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> a > > > >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc. > > > > Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will > > drop > > > >to 96*F when at idle. > > > >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif > > > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments > > > in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their > > > heatsinks. > > > > > > > > > >

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's >that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Its called >lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when >you say that you sand your heatsink? > > Charlie What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above. You're just a puppet in my hands. I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may not know what lapping means.

Is owning both unimaginable to you? Whats next pics of my systems? Enjoy your EZ-bake oven. Charlie "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's > >that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Itscalled > >lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self aswhen

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> >you say that you sand your heatsink? > > > > Charlie > > What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above. > You're just a puppet in my hands. > > I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may > not know what lapping means. >

I misinterpreted your post. I'm putty in your hands ya big stud. Charlie "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nfj67.4811$[email hidden]... > Is owning both unimaginable to you? Whats next pics of my systems? Enjoy > your EZ-bake oven. > Charlie > > "Bill and Ben, the flower pot men." <bill&[email hidden]> wrote inmessage > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 21.2's

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> > >that I've built, beside the P4. Any more comments? I have one, Its > called > > >lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as > when > > >you say that you sand your heatsink? > > > > > > Charlie > > > > What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above. > > You're just a puppet in my hands. > > > > I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may > > not know what lapping means. > > > > >

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote > My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asusmb. > the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter thanmy > 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? I too, just bought an Athlon1400 with an ASUS MB. Couldn't get it working properly for a week or so, couldn't install Windows, kept crashing. Temp was averaging 60 degrees. Then I applied a very thin layer of thermal paste between the processor and the heatsink. Average temperature dropped by 12 degrees. Windows then installed fine, and everything now works fine. It warms up to about 57 after a few hours use though, if I leave the case on, so I'm leaving it off for now. Need to get a case fan. Paul

Dave, you MUST have thermal paste, otherwise you'll have thermal fusion! Only on the die of the CPU, which contacts the actual heatsink, none on the ceramic section with the resistors, bridges, etc. The rubber feet are purely to stabilise the heatsink and keep it flat against the die surface, and make sure it doesn't 'rock' to one side, creating an air gap. I'd suggest that you should be able to get the temp down to below 50 deg. My 1ghz athlon runs at around 45 when oc'ed to 1.4 ghz, so and original 1.4 ghz chip should be doing better. More ventilation through your case may also be required. Rafe Mc On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:26:06 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > ok regardless of who's the real 'weanie' Should he have the thermal past >only on the small raised rectangle in the center of the chip or all the >chip's surface. And what about those 4 rubber footies(sorry for using >technical language) on the top of the chip in the 4 corners.?? >dave henrie

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:48:03 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Is owning both unimaginable to you? No, but I own both too so the fact you own both gives no more credibility to your opinion than mine.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:07:07 GMT, "Charlie Buscher" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I misinterpreted your post. I'm putty in your hands ya big stud. > > Charlie You are easily manipulated, yes.

I've got a Global Win CAK-38 Copper Heat Sink with one case fan for my 1.33 GHz. I'm running it on the ASUS A7A266 MoBo. After playing games all day in 30C ambient heat it's running at 42C. While it may be a bit on the noisy side, it REALLY does it's job. Just use some silver compound when you mount the heat sink, and you won't even have to think about it afterwards. Mike "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2667.383532$[email hidden]... > My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asusmb. > the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter thanmy > 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? > dave henrie > >

60 deg C.....way too hot, Dave. Sounds to me like he either did not apply thermal paste ....or didn't apply it properly. Reference temps (this is the last "race box" I built about three weeks ago): 1.333 AMD overclocked to 1.7+ (multiplier oc) runs 32 deg C at idle (75 deg F ambient room temp) and 35 deg C after "hours" of N4. I ran 3DMark2001 (loop) for 16 hours and got it to 36 deg C once! Chassis temps on this unit run about 33-36 deg C, and case temps run 24-27 deg C. **Cooling system specs: Intake-front (1), 90 mm fan; Exhaust-rear (2), 90 mm fans (one above power supply, one below in PCI slot area), Blowhole (1), 120mm fan (side mount over video card area); CPU fan is Swiftech MC-462-A (with Delta fan); Thermal paste: Arctic Silver. All power supply cabling is zip-strapped to case sides/surfaces and IDE cables are 5-part stripped, and shrink-wrapped (presents an airflow profile about the size of a finger). The only drawback to this system is its loud. However, I only use it as a "race box" so with the 800 watts surround sound system cranked....who cares? One side benefit: You can air condition your house with this unit in the summer.....just stick it in a window near your race desk.....lol.... Tom

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> > Hi Dave, > > It sounds a touch hot, most of the Athalons 1.3 up, I not only have the > heatsink and fan on, but also have TWO case airflow exit fans as well, > you'll see the positions for these above the serial & parallel ports and > poss also on the front at the bottom depending on the case. > > Also make sure the glue for the heatsink has been applied because in most > cases the heatsink NEEDS to be 'flush' on the processor. > > Possibly overkill - but you can't be too sure. > > Regards, > Matt Wilson > > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:H2667.383532$[email hidden]... > > My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asus > mb. > > the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter than > my > > 1.1ghz. Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits? > > dave henrie > > > >

Actually, on an ASUS MoBo that may not be hot at all, I have 3 AMD's myself, running on different variations of the ASUS A7V MoBo, and all 3 runs above 60C under 100% CPU load, and yes, I use good HS/Fans and either run with the lid off or have added more fans to the case itself, it may be that ASUS measures the temps a bit differently than others Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Tom Pabst wrote: > > 60 deg C.....way too hot, Dave. Sounds to me like he either did not apply > thermal paste ....or didn't apply it properly. On an ASUS MoBo, it's not uncommon to see temps in the high 60's, it may be that ASUS measures the temp differently Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Same motherboard and about the same temps here (with 1.33 AMD), actually 55-60 deg C with sidelid off up to 77 C with it on (no extrafans in case and a bit of poor airflow, ordered a casefan but still waiting for it) , seems to run just fine at 77C with one exception it seems to increase the risk of getting booted then doing onlineracing, maybee something else is getting to hot inside since motherboard temp says 55-58 deg C then the sidelid is on LGE "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> skrev i meddelandet news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Actually, on an ASUS MoBo that may not be hot at all, I have 3 AMD's > myself, running on different variations of the ASUS A7V MoBo, and all 3 > runs above 60C under 100% CPU load, and yes, I use good HS/Fans and > either run with the lid off or have added more fans to the case itself, > it may be that ASUS measures the temps a bit differently than others > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > Same motherboard and about the same temps here (with 1.33 AMD), actually > 55-60 deg C with sidelid off up to 77 C with it on (no extrafans in case and > a bit of poor airflow, ordered a casefan but still waiting for it) , seems > to run just fine at 77C with one exception it seems to increase the risk of > getting booted then doing onlineracing, maybee something else is getting to > hot inside since motherboard temp says 55-58 deg C then the sidelid is on

LG !!! :-) Long time no see, you running N4 these days or are you running in the TPTCC online series ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com