Update advice needed

After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) Anyway, I have to improve my ranking. I decided to do a complete reinstall of GPL and to check out the latest add-ons. The problem with all the beautiful updates is that my system, just like my GPL-handicap, hasn't improved. In my quest to overtake Eldred again and (less likely) to get a negative rank, I 'need' to upgrade my pc. So, where do I spend my precious money on? These are my current specs: P3-733 128 MB PC700 Rambus DRAM Geforce 256 Logitech Wingman Formula Force It will be either an extra 256 MB PC800 Rambus DRAM or a Geforce 2 GTS. What will give the biggest improvement (fps-wise and eventually rank-wise)? Please don't tell me it's all about the processor's MHz. Aalt. BTW: Eldred, thanks for forcing me to improve my lap time at the Ring ;)

With such specs, only a further dose of driving talent can help :). Seriously, if you're not getting the maximum 36 fps with the below system in practice mode, then there's something wrong with it. -Gregor Aalt wrote:

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> > After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that > Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 > points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) > Anyway, I have to improve my ranking. I decided to do a complete > reinstall of GPL and to check out the latest add-ons. The problem with > all the beautiful updates is that my system, just like my > GPL-handicap, hasn't improved. In my quest to overtake Eldred again > and (less likely) to get a negative rank, I 'need' to upgrade my pc. > So, where do I spend my precious money on? These are my current specs: > > P3-733 > 128 MB PC700 Rambus DRAM > Geforce 256 > Logitech Wingman Formula Force > > It will be either an extra 256 MB PC800 Rambus DRAM or a Geforce 2 > GTS. > > What will give the biggest improvement (fps-wise and eventually > rank-wise)? Please don't tell me it's all about the processor's MHz. > > Aalt. > > BTW: Eldred, thanks for forcing me to improve my lap time at the Ring > ;)

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:51:27 +0200, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >With such specs, only a further dose of driving talent can help :). I just blame the system ;) > >Seriously, if you're not getting the maximum 36 fps with the below >system in practice mode, then there's something wrong with it. Sure I can, but I would like to enjoy the updates and still be able to *race*. It's all about racing not practising. Beside that, I'm quicker in races (or is that less slow) >-Gregor > Aalt.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Aalt) writes: >After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that >Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 >points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) Ya vant I should beat you by *more*...?<g>

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>Anyway, I have to improve my ranking. I decided to do a complete >reinstall of GPL and to check out the latest add-ons. The problem with >all the beautiful updates is that my system, just like my >GPL-handicap, hasn't improved. In my quest to overtake Eldred again >and (less likely) to get a negative rank, I 'need' to upgrade my pc. >So, where do I spend my precious money on? These are my current specs: > >P3-733 >128 MB PC700 Rambus DRAM >Geforce 256 >Logitech Wingman Formula Force > >It will be either an extra 256 MB PC800 Rambus DRAM or a Geforce 2 >GTS.

I can't *believe* that you'd have problems with this system... What's up with THAT? Do the graphics updates drag the program down that much? If so, I'm glad I haven't loaded them... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 10 Jul 2001 19:05:41 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Aalt) >writes: > >>After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that >>Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 >>points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) > >Ya vant I should beat you by *more*...?<g> >

:) I just improved my Rouen time by 0.19 <g> >I can't *believe* that you'd have problems with this system... What's up with >THAT? Do the graphics updates drag the program down that much? If so, I'm >glad I haven't loaded them... Problems is not the word, maybe annoyance is a better one. Just try to go to Bruce Johnsons site and not to download and install anything you see...That's not easy. > >Eldred > Aalt.

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>-- >Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Aalt) writes:

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>On 10 Jul 2001 19:05:41 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(Aalt) >>writes: >> >>>After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that >>>Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 >>>points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) >> >>Ya vant I should beat you by *more*...?<g> >> > > :) I just improved my Rouen time by 0.19 <g> >

WHAT??? Curses, Red Baron...

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> >>I can't *believe* that you'd have problems with this system... What's up >with >>THAT? Do the graphics updates drag the program down that much? If so, I'm >>glad I haven't loaded them... > >Problems is not the word, maybe annoyance is a better one. Just try to >go to Bruce Johnsons site and not to download and install anything you >see...That's not easy. >

Well, since I don't know where the site is, I don't have to worry about being tempted... :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote:

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Aalt) > writes: > > >After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that > >Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 > >points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) > > Ya vant I should beat you by *more*...?<g> > >F1 hcp. +16.36...

Yeah. By 16.36 seconds more, at least. :-p -- Fester

EldredP wrote: > Well, since I don't know where the site is, I don't have to worry about being > tempted... :-) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bruce.johnson/ <g> -- Fester

Yo Gregor- nice to see another Slovene in RAS;-) Do you race in Vroc ? Miha "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> With such specs, only a further dose of driving talent can help :). > > Seriously, if you're not getting the maximum 36 fps with the below > system in practice mode, then there's something wrong with it. > > -Gregor > > Aalt wrote: > > > > After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that > > Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 > > points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) > > Anyway, I have to improve my ranking. I decided to do a complete > > reinstall of GPL and to check out the latest add-ons. The problem with > > all the beautiful updates is that my system, just like my > > GPL-handicap, hasn't improved. In my quest to overtake Eldred again > > and (less likely) to get a negative rank, I 'need' to upgrade my pc. > > So, where do I spend my precious money on? These are my current specs: > > > > P3-733 > > 128 MB PC700 Rambus DRAM > > Geforce 256 > > Logitech Wingman Formula Force > > > > It will be either an extra 256 MB PC800 Rambus DRAM or a Geforce 2 > > GTS. > > > > What will give the biggest improvement (fps-wise and eventually > > rank-wise)? Please don't tell me it's all about the processor's MHz. > > > > Aalt. > > > > BTW: Eldred, thanks for forcing me to improve my lap time at the Ring > > ;)

Hi Miha, I used to race quite a lot on VROC, but if I have time I am mainly to be found in Nascar 4 lobbies these days. Of course, that is if I don't work or further develop on my own project, which leaves me with very little time to play, at least at this point. Is there any Slovenian club for Vroc racing or such? -Gregor Mike P wrote: > > Yo Gregor- nice to see another Slovene in RAS;-) Do you race in Vroc ? > > Miha >

To be honest, I'm not sure it's possible to get 36 fps with D3D at full grid race starts when you're using 3d wheels and have the detail slider bar on full. I don't get anywhere near it with my P3-1000/GF2 GTS, so I don't think either of those upgrades will do the job. I run with the detail slider bar on half and no 3d wheels and I get around 30 fps at race starts (full grid). At a guess, I'd say the GF2 would probably make more difference than the RAM. "Aalt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that > Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 > points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) > Anyway, I have to improve my ranking. I decided to do a complete > reinstall of GPL and to check out the latest add-ons. The problem with > all the beautiful updates is that my system, just like my > GPL-handicap, hasn't improved. In my quest to overtake Eldred again > and (less likely) to get a negative rank, I 'need' to upgrade my pc. > So, where do I spend my precious money on? These are my current specs: > > P3-733 > 128 MB PC700 Rambus DRAM > Geforce 256 > Logitech Wingman Formula Force > > It will be either an extra 256 MB PC800 Rambus DRAM or a Geforce 2 > GTS. > > What will give the biggest improvement (fps-wise and eventually > rank-wise)? Please don't tell me it's all about the processor's MHz. > > > Aalt. > > BTW: Eldred, thanks for forcing me to improve my lap time at the Ring > ;)

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:58:43 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: >To be honest, I'm not sure it's possible to get 36 fps with D3D at full grid >race starts when you're using 3d wheels and have the detail slider bar on >full. I don't get anywhere near it with my P3-1000/GF2 GTS, so I don't >think either of those upgrades will do the job. I run with the detail >slider bar on half and no 3d wheels and I get around 30 fps at race starts >(full grid). Phew, what resolution do you use? I'm aiming for 3d wheels and the lot at 1280x1024 and I don't expect to get the slider on full. For the time being my solution will be to improve my gridposition and to have few details in my mirrors :) >At a guess, I'd say the GF2 would probably make more difference than the >RAM. Yes, I suspected that. Keeps me wondering which GF2 is best value for money. These options are (somewhat) within my budget: Creative 3D Blaster GeForce2 Pro 64Mb Retail Leadtek GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out (Retail) Leadtek GeForce2 GTS 64MB TV-Out Asus V7700 GeForce2 32MB Deluxe MSI 8815 GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out Gainward CardExpert GeForce2 64MB (400) Asus V6600 GeForce Pro 64MB ATi Radeon 64MB DDR (Bulk) Suggestions? Aalt.

I have a 32 MB GTS (Creative Labs), but if I were buying a GF2 now, I would get a 64 MB Pro probably. Of course, the Ultra, or a GF3 is faster, but they're really pricey. I don't know which manufacturer though, have a look on Insight to see which is cheapest. If you can afford a GF3 then get one of those instead. I also use 1280*1024. I've just upgraded from a p3-650 to the p3-1000, and it made little difference to GPL, that's why I would get the fastest video card you can afford. It's a pitty the D3D renderer isn't faster. "Aalt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:58:43 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >To be honest, I'm not sure it's possible to get 36 fps with D3D at fullgrid > >race starts when you're using 3d wheels and have the detail slider bar on > >full. I don't get anywhere near it with my P3-1000/GF2 GTS, so I don't > >think either of those upgrades will do the job. I run with the detail > >slider bar on half and no 3d wheels and I get around 30 fps at racestarts

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> >(full grid). > > Phew, what resolution do you use? I'm aiming for 3d wheels and the lot > at 1280x1024 and I don't expect to get the slider on full. For the > time being my solution will be to improve my gridposition and to have > few details in my mirrors :) > > >At a guess, I'd say the GF2 would probably make more difference than the > >RAM. > > Yes, I suspected that. Keeps me wondering which GF2 is best value for > money. > > These options are (somewhat) within my budget: > Creative 3D Blaster GeForce2 Pro 64Mb Retail > Leadtek GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out (Retail) > Leadtek GeForce2 GTS 64MB TV-Out > Asus V7700 GeForce2 32MB Deluxe > MSI 8815 GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out > Gainward CardExpert GeForce2 64MB (400) > Asus V6600 GeForce Pro 64MB > ATi Radeon 64MB DDR (Bulk) > > Suggestions? > > Aalt.

Ahh... we keep losing a lot of GPL guys to N4, too bad .... Good news is, many are allready coming back to GPL by now :-)) Seriously, about Vroc... as far as I know there are some 3-4 of Slovenes around Vroc atm, some of them are right among world's fastest drivers http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/nation.cgi . We drive mostly in some of best GPL leagues like Masters of GPL, GPL World Series and HGPLM, there are not enough of us to have a decent Slovene League tho :-/ In GPL I go by nickname Mike Puklawsky if u'd like to join us sometime in Vroc, you are more then welcome :-) Zivjo "Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi Miha, > > I used to race quite a lot on VROC, but if I have time I am mainly to be > found in Nascar 4 lobbies these days. Of course, that is if I don't work > or further develop on my own project, which leaves me with very little > time to play, at least at this point. Is there any Slovenian club for > Vroc racing or such? > > -Gregor > > Mike P wrote: > > > > Yo Gregor- nice to see another Slovene in RAS;-) Do you race in Vroc ? > > > > Miha > >

Eldred it looks like Uncle Fester is tempting you, Or is it taunting you?...lol "Uncle Fester" wrote | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bruce.johnson/ <g> | -- | Fester | EldredP wrote: | > Well, since I don't know where the site is, I don't have to worry aboutbeing | > tempted... :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/2001

My 2cents worth says yes, get the video card if you're going to upgrade. Though it won't make a big difference. Extra RAM will make bugger all to no difference. For comprehensive advice on which video card, only one place to go. www.anandtech.com. Rafe Mc On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:11:51 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have a 32 MB GTS (Creative Labs), but if I were buying a GF2 now, I would >get a 64 MB Pro probably. Of course, the Ultra, or a GF3 is faster, but >they're really pricey. I don't know which manufacturer though, have a look >on Insight to see which is cheapest. If you can afford a GF3 then get one >of those instead. > >I also use 1280*1024. I've just upgraded from a p3-650 to the p3-1000, and >it made little difference to GPL, that's why I would get the fastest video >card you can afford. It's a pitty the D3D renderer isn't faster. > >"Aalt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:58:43 GMT, "Simon Brown" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >To be honest, I'm not sure it's possible to get 36 fps with D3D at full >grid >> >race starts when you're using 3d wheels and have the detail slider bar on >> >full. I don't get anywhere near it with my P3-1000/GF2 GTS, so I don't >> >think either of those upgrades will do the job. I run with the detail >> >slider bar on half and no 3d wheels and I get around 30 fps at race >starts >> >(full grid). >> >> Phew, what resolution do you use? I'm aiming for 3d wheels and the lot >> at 1280x1024 and I don't expect to get the slider on full. For the >> time being my solution will be to improve my gridposition and to have >> few details in my mirrors :) >> >> >At a guess, I'd say the GF2 would probably make more difference than the >> >RAM. >> >> Yes, I suspected that. Keeps me wondering which GF2 is best value for >> money. >> >> These options are (somewhat) within my budget: >> Creative 3D Blaster GeForce2 Pro 64Mb Retail >> Leadtek GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out (Retail) >> Leadtek GeForce2 GTS 64MB TV-Out >> Asus V7700 GeForce2 32MB Deluxe >> MSI 8815 GeForce2 Pro 64MB TV-Out >> Gainward CardExpert GeForce2 64MB (400) >> Asus V6600 GeForce Pro 64MB >> ATi Radeon 64MB DDR (Bulk) >> >> Suggestions? >> >> Aalt. >

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> Well, since I don't know where the site is, I don't have to worry about >being >> tempted... :-) > > >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bruce.johnson/ <g>

I'm not gonna look...I'm not gonna look....I'm not... Whoa...cars from the *50's*??? <sigh> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] >(Aalt) >> writes: >> >> >After being away from GPL for a while, I incidentally discovered that >> >Eldred passed me on the GPLrank. Though it is only with a humble 0.07 >> >points, it still gives me sleepless nights ;) >> >> Ya vant I should beat you by *more*...?<g> >> >>F1 hcp. +16.36... > >Yeah. By 16.36 seconds more, at least. :-p >

You seem to think it's actually POSSIBLE for me to get a negative rank. Unless I have some kind of visitation from the spirit of Jim Clark, it probably won't happen before WSC comes out...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.