GPxPatch and Track Management

Hi all, I have been trying out the brilliant GPxPatch utility today for the first time and have to say that it's one of the best addons for this sim to date. My one problem with it is in regards to the track management side of things. My understanding of the way it worked was that it would enable me to add any extra track into the sim in place of any of the older tracks. As an example I downloaded the Indy 2000 track and added it via GPxPatch to slot 9 or 10 of the track section. The sim loads but when I attempt to go to the track I get a CTD straight away. It appears that I can only add it to the 3rd track slot (Argentina). Anyone else managed to add tracks into whatever slot they want or is this just not possible?? Maybe it's the Indy version I have so if anyone can point me to an alternative to the one at Alpha F1 please let me know TIA PH

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 04:42:40 +0900, "Darren Duncan" <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote:

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>Peter, As far as I am aware GP3 is a bit quirky about which slot user made >tracks will run in. It has something to do with the pit lane and the length >of the original track. This may or may not have been fixed in Paul Hoad's >latest track editor. > >From my experience of editing tracks (Imola and Sepang) the track .dat file >itself actually contains the slot number too. I have successfully moved >tracks to other slots after editing through the track editor but some tracks >don't like certain slots. GPxPatch also uses something called CMagic data, >which takes/ignores track data from the GP3.exe and inserts/reads it from >the track.dat file itself. Is this Indy 2000 version compatible with CMagic >Data? (i.e. has the data been inserted into the track file?) If not then >it's quite easy to do it yourself using the CMagic program. > >I will be editing Indy myself soon for my league - (making a hardware and >software version). We will probably use track 3 (Argentina) as it is one of >the tracks that isn't in the current season. Is there any reason why you >want Indy in the 9th or 10th position? Championship reasons? > >Darren

Hi Darren, Not sure about whether the track is CMagic compatible, will give it a go shortly and get back to you. The only reason I really wanted the track in the 9th or 10th slot was because that's where I wanted it in the championship. Will your Indy be freely available?? Thanks for the info, I'll let you know how I get on with CMagic. PH

On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:42:00 +0100, Peter Hooper <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 04:42:40 +0900, "Darren Duncan" ><dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote: > >>Peter, As far as I am aware GP3 is a bit quirky about which slot user made >>tracks will run in. It has something to do with the pit lane and the length >>of the original track. This may or may not have been fixed in Paul Hoad's >>latest track editor. >> >>From my experience of editing tracks (Imola and Sepang) the track .dat file >>itself actually contains the slot number too. I have successfully moved >>tracks to other slots after editing through the track editor but some tracks >>don't like certain slots. GPxPatch also uses something called CMagic data, >>which takes/ignores track data from the GP3.exe and inserts/reads it from >>the track.dat file itself. Is this Indy 2000 version compatible with CMagic >>Data? (i.e. has the data been inserted into the track file?) If not then >>it's quite easy to do it yourself using the CMagic program. > >Hi Darren, >Not sure about whether the track is CMagic compatible, will give it a >go shortly and get back to you. > >The only reason I really wanted the track in the 9th or 10th slot was >because that's where I wanted it in the championship. > > >PH

Well, I got CMagic and although it seemed to work with the Indy track I still had the same problem when trying to use the track anywhere other than slot 3. Cheers PH

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:39:51 +0900, "Darren Duncan" <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote:

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>Your half way there Peter. Now load up Paul Hoad's track editor. Don't be >scared by all the details. Go into the track options (or some similar >setting) and change the default slot for this track to 9 or 10. Save it and >try it again. It may work. Like I said before if the track length is >important as is the pit positioning. If they aren't compatible with the >original slot position then it may never work. Which Indy 2000 are you >using? > >As for the one I'm working on. It will be some one else's work, I will just >make it compatible for my league by adding software textures for the >software version, AI tweaking and maybe some bump adjustments as well as >adding the CMagic data for GPxPatch. > >Good luck - I'll let you know if I get it working in slot 9 or 10. > >Darren

Right I'll try that... maybe in the morning now though... I'm using the Indy track from the Alpha F1 site (www.alphaf1.com/gp3) created by Matti Laitinen. Thanks for the help... as before I'll let you know once I've tried what you suggested. PH

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:39:51 +0900, "Darren Duncan" <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote:

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>Your half way there Peter. Now load up Paul Hoad's track editor. Don't be >scared by all the details. Go into the track options (or some similar >setting) and change the default slot for this track to 9 or 10. Save it and >try it again. It may work. Like I said before if the track length is >important as is the pit positioning. If they aren't compatible with the >original slot position then it may never work. Which Indy 2000 are you >using? > >As for the one I'm working on. It will be some one else's work, I will just >make it compatible for my league by adding software textures for the >software version, AI tweaking and maybe some bump adjustments as well as >adding the CMagic data for GPxPatch. > >Good luck - I'll let you know if I get it working in slot 9 or 10. > >Darren

Darren, I've been looking through the track data in GP3TrackEditor and the only thing I could find which looked like it was linked to the track slot was an entry under 'Track Config','Track Sections' which had a section 'Unknown Number ?=3'. As the slot the track worked in was slot 3 I took a guess that this could be it and changed it to 10. VIOLA!!! it worked :O) I can now just change that number and race Indy wherever in the calendar I want. Many thanks for your help... I certainly wouldn't have found the solution without it. Regards Peter

Peter, As far as I am aware GP3 is a bit quirky about which slot user made tracks will run in. It has something to do with the pit lane and the length of the original track. This may or may not have been fixed in Paul Hoad's latest track editor. From my experience of editing tracks (Imola and Sepang) the track .dat file itself actually contains the slot number too. I have successfully moved tracks to other slots after editing through the track editor but some tracks don't like certain slots. GPxPatch also uses something called CMagic data, which takes/ignores track data from the GP3.exe and inserts/reads it from the track.dat file itself. Is this Indy 2000 version compatible with CMagic Data? (i.e. has the data been inserted into the track file?) If not then it's quite easy to do it yourself using the CMagic program. I will be editing Indy myself soon for my league - (making a hardware and software version). We will probably use track 3 (Argentina) as it is one of the tracks that isn't in the current season. Is there any reason why you want Indy in the 9th or 10th position? Championship reasons? Darren -- --------------------------------------------------------- TopGear Offline GP3 League http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ In line with the F1 Calendar --------------------------------------------------------- "Peter Hooper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : Hi all, : I have been trying out the brilliant GPxPatch utility today for the : first time and have to say that it's one of the best addons for this : sim to date. : : My one problem with it is in regards to the track management side of : things. My understanding of the way it worked was that it would enable : me to add any extra track into the sim in place of any of the older : tracks. As an example I downloaded the Indy 2000 track and added it : via GPxPatch to slot 9 or 10 of the track section. The sim loads but : when I attempt to go to the track I get a CTD straight away. : : It appears that I can only add it to the 3rd track slot (Argentina). : Anyone else managed to add tracks into whatever slot they want or is : this just not possible?? : : Maybe it's the Indy version I have so if anyone can point me to an : alternative to the one at Alpha F1 please let me know : : TIA : : PH

Your half way there Peter. Now load up Paul Hoad's track editor. Don't be scared by all the details. Go into the track options (or some similar setting) and change the default slot for this track to 9 or 10. Save it and try it again. It may work. Like I said before if the track length is important as is the pit positioning. If they aren't compatible with the original slot position then it may never work. Which Indy 2000 are you using? As for the one I'm working on. It will be some one else's work, I will just make it compatible for my league by adding software textures for the software version, AI tweaking and maybe some bump adjustments as well as adding the CMagic data for GPxPatch. Good luck - I'll let you know if I get it working in slot 9 or 10. Darren -- --------------------------------------------------------- TopGear Offline GP3 League http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ In line with the F1 Calendar --------------------------------------------------------- "Peter Hooper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:42:00 +0100, Peter Hooper : <[email hidden]> wrote: : : >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 04:42:40 +0900, "Darren Duncan" : ><dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote: : > : >>Peter, As far as I am aware GP3 is a bit quirky about which slot user made : >>tracks will run in. It has something to do with the pit lane and the length : >>of the original track. This may or may not have been fixed in Paul Hoad's : >>latest track editor. : >> : >>From my experience of editing tracks (Imola and Sepang) the track .dat file : >>itself actually contains the slot number too. I have successfully moved : >>tracks to other slots after editing through the track editor but some tracks : >>don't like certain slots. GPxPatch also uses something called CMagic data, : >>which takes/ignores track data from the GP3.exe and inserts/reads it from : >>the track.dat file itself. Is this Indy 2000 version compatible with CMagic : >>Data? (i.e. has the data been inserted into the track file?) If not then : >>it's quite easy to do it yourself using the CMagic program. : > : >Hi Darren, : >Not sure about whether the track is CMagic compatible, will give it a : >go shortly and get back to you. : > : >The only reason I really wanted the track in the 9th or 10th slot was : >because that's where I wanted it in the championship. : > : > : >PH : Well, I got CMagic and although it seemed to work with the Indy track : I still had the same problem when trying to use the track anywhere : other than slot 3. : : Cheers : : PH