N4 - Chassis'... Difference?

Just wondering, is there any difference between the different chassis in N4??? Is there any different in handling between them..? James

No, they are all identical "James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UnpT6.109651$[email hidden]...

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> Just wondering, is there any difference between the different chassis in > N4??? > > Is there any different in handling between them..? > > > James > >

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:38:32 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No, they are all identical Stupid question, but is that also the case in real life? In GPL each car feels totally different, why not in N4 I wonder.. Andre

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> >"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:UnpT6.109651$[email hidden]... >> Just wondering, is there any difference between the different chassis in >> N4??? >> >> Is there any different in handling between them..? >> >> >> James >> >> > >

In real life there are DEFINITELY differences between the different car makes. In fact, they even have different rules they have to follow. In N3 they had Chassis 1, 2 and 3 (which were assumed to mean the different makes) and they did have differences in the game. In N4 they paid for the license to use the actual design and names of the car makes. Chevy, Ford, Pontiac and Dodge. My guess would be that they are not actually different in the game as far as performance goes for a few reasons. The main one is that I imagine that the actual manufacturers wanted them to all be the same. Imagine if they were different and the Ford chassis in the game was known to be the best and Pontiac was known to be the worst by the avid gamers. I do not think that Pontiac would like that. So to avoid all of that, they probably just made them the same. Another reason would be that the car makes are constantly changing. Chevy gets a change here and Ford gets a change there... rules are changed which causes performance to change, etc... No way to keep up with that. Another reason to just make them all the same. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:38:32 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >No, they are all identical > > Stupid question, but is that also the case in real life? > In GPL each car feels totally different, why not in N4 I wonder.. > > Andre > > > > > >"James Pickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:UnpT6.109651$[email hidden]... > >> Just wondering, is there any difference between the different chassis

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> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:38:32 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >>No, they are all identical > > Stupid question, but is that also the case in real life? > In GPL each car feels totally different, why not in N4 I wonder..

A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewed on TV. His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers, Pontiac to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember. Anyway, the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the new cars. The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there were no new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they had used before, but with new body panels. They're all the same. Oh, and the headlights and radiator grilles are stickers. Marc

Marc Fraioli <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9flugs$1ef$[email hidden]... > A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewedon TV. > His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers,Pontiac > to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember.Anyway, > the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the newcars. > The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there wereno > new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they hadused > before, but with new body panels. They're all the same. > > Oh, and the headlights and radiator grilles are stickers. Sounds exactly like R/C touring cars... ;-) Seriously though, the body is a major aero tuning aid. /All/ the top guys seem to run an Andy's (a bodyshell manufacturer) Dodge Stratus. Jonny

Got any pictures? I love the Super Touring Stratus! ok...here is a slightly different explanation. The chassis are generic. The same chassis could be under a Dodge skin, or a Chevy etc... But the body shapes DO make a difference in the aerodynamics. And to try and equalize them, Nascar has made each manufacturer use slightly different pieces...the Ford & Dodge have the same rear spoiler and front splitter but the Dodge has a slightly draggier hood flap. The chev's and pontiacs each get some bonus' concerning how high or low the front splitter and rear spoiler are. The reason is to try and make the windtunnel numbers equal so no one car make has an advantage. So YES the cars are different, but Nascar tries to legislate them back to equality. If your making a sim...save yourself some time and make the cars all the same. Back to the chassis. Some teams build thier own, some buy them, many of the Dodges are running on top of chassis that ran Pontiac's last year. Depending on the type of track they run at, alot of teams will have several different brands of chassis' to run better on short tracks or superspeedways. Just because Jeff Gordon's car has the same paint job week to week, doesn't mean you are seeing the same car at each event. That is one big difference from say Touring Cars. If I gather correctly, you submit a car at the start of the year and you must run that car/chassis etc for the whole season.(barring catatrophic wrecks of course) Does that help? Or have I just muddled things up more (as usual) dave henrie "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Marc Fraioli <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9flugs$1ef$[email hidden]... > > > A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewed > on TV. > > His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers, > Pontiac > > to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember. > Anyway, > > the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the new > cars. > > The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there were > no > > new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they had > used > > before, but with new body panels. They're all the same. > > > > Oh, and the headlights and radiator grilles are stickers. > > Sounds exactly like R/C touring cars... ;-) > > Seriously though, the body is a major aero tuning aid. /All/ the top > guys seem to run an Andy's (a bodyshell manufacturer) Dodge Stratus. > > Jonny > >

Now who is showing their ignorance? Each series, whether it be NASCAR Winston Cup, Busch or even ARCA or ASA can all use the same "CHASSIS" between manufacturers! (This is what helps to make racing more affordable.) By manufacturers I mean their engine/body manufacturer (i.e Dodge , GM, Ford, Pontiac) The differences come with the body and engine regulations/designs. This is what affects the aerodynamics packages and power/torque. The chassis themselves are fabricated pieces that don't give a rats-ass who's manufacturers nameplate is on them. So in the context of the interview Andre was referring to, he is absolutely RIGHT and you are absolutely WRONG!! Having said that, there are different manufacturers for chassis' as well. Many teams build their own in-house, others choose to purchase them. Hopkins, and Laughlin are two of the most popular 'brands' of chassis' in WC, Busch, and ARCA. Someone buying a chassis can specify what kind of chassis they want (Superspeedway, Speedway, Short track or Road Course) and even make more specific requirements for it (i.e drop snout with a lowered left rail etc...). So while the chassis may not be identical between competitors on any given Sunday, they are interchangeable )and for all intensive purposes identical) between engine manufacturers. I hope this helps clear the mud some people caused. Regards, Mike Basden (Former ARCA Crew Chief and Craftsman Truck crew member) "Gunslinger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On 6 Jun 2001 18:58:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Marc Fraioli) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:38:32 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >>>No, they are all identical >> >> Stupid question, but is that also the case in real life? >> In GPL each car feels totally different, why not in N4 I wonder.. > >A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewed on TV. >His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers, Pontiac >to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember. Anyway, >the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the new cars. >The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there were no >new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they had used >before, but with new body panels. They're all the same.

LOL!. You know nothing about NASCAR. They are NOT the same. Take a Square body stlye and race it verse a car with an arrow body style. Which one do u think will win?

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>>A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewed on = >TV. >>His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers, Pontiac >>to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember. = >Anyway, >>the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the new = >cars. >>The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there were no >>new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they had used >>before, but with new body panels. They're all the same. > > >LOL!. >You know nothing about NASCAR. >They are NOT the same. >

Well, he said he SAW it in tv, from a source that you'd *think* should know - a NASCAR crew chief. >Take a Square body stlye and race it verse a car with an arrow body >style. >Which one do u think will win? > The Chevy/Ford/whatever aren't THAT different, come on now...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +20.90...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xuBT6.121241$[email hidden]... > Got any pictures? I love the Super Touring Stratus! Some general TC pictures are on www.brca.org HPI, including bodyshells (190mm are the usual ones): www.hpiracing.com You can probably find some pics of "readers' rides" by lurking on rec.models.rc.land and following homepage links, too... Jonny

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> On 6 Jun 2001 18:58:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Marc Fraioli) > wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, >> [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:38:32 GMT, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>>No, they are all identical >>>=20 >>> Stupid question, but is that also the case in real life? >>> In GPL each car feels totally different, why not in N4 I wonder.. >> >>A little while back I saw some NASCAR crew chief being interviewed on = > TV. >>His team had just announced that it was switching manufacturers, Pontiac >>to Ford, or Chevy to Dodge, or some such thing, I don't remember. = > Anyway, >>the reporter asked him when he expected to take delivery of the new = > cars. >>The crew chief looked surprised and then explained that there were no >>new cars; they were just going to keep using the same cars they had used >>before, but with new body panels. They're all the same. > > > LOL!. > You know nothing about NASCAR. > They are NOT the same. > > Take a Square body stlye and race it verse a car with an arrow body > style. > Which one do u think will win?

Ok, I guess others have already responded to this pretty well, but basically the points as I see them are: 1) True, I don't know much about NASCAR, although I wouldn't say it's nothing. 2) In this context, it doesn't matter what *I* know, because I'm just reporting what someone who does know said. 3) A body is not a chassis. When I said "car" I suppose I should have said "chassis", but the crew chief on TV said "car" so I stayed with his usage. He's the one who knows about NASCAR after all, right? And the headlights and radiator grilles are still stickers. Marc

"Marc Fraioli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9foh21$ql5$[email hidden]... : Ok, I guess others have already responded to this pretty well, but basically : the points as I see them are: : 1) True, I don't know much about NASCAR, although I wouldn't say it's nothing. You made a discovery! : 3) A body is not a chassis. When I said "car" I suppose I should have said : "chassis", but the crew chief on TV said "car" so I stayed with his usage. : He's the one who knows about NASCAR after all, right? For those of us who know. We know what you mean. Everyone having the same chassis style, that's Nascar's decision for parity between the makes. It is cheaper, and it makes it more controllable and easier for them to police. : And the headlights and radiator grilles are still stickers. Actually, the radiator grilles are real. They use a fine mesh for the brake ducts and radiator grilles. The headlights and tail-lights are stickers though.