F1CS2k vs F1RC vs GP3

Hello, I am looking for a bit of feedback on modern F1 titles... I currently own F1 2000 CS and with all the add on's, patches, etc, etc am quite happy with it, but I've also seen quite a few add-on's for GP3 and have heard good things about F1 Racing Champ from Ubisoft. For those who own all three, or who have tested them, how would you rate them? Is it worth my while to pick up GP3 and F1RC knowing that F1RC ver 2 and F1 2001 (by EA) are both due out this fall, or should I sit tight with what I have? Also... Anyone know if GP4 will ever become a reality? I've read lately that it's dead, but I do recall when they released GP3 that there was lots of talk about GP4 coming out someting this year. Thanks for the advice! Jay J

aaarrrggghhh!!!! see many many many previous threads on this! different people different answers. Iain "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95_R6.38131$[email hidden]...

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> Hello, > > I am looking for a bit of feedback on modern F1 titles... > > I currently own F1 2000 CS and with all the add on's, patches, etc, etc am > quite happy with it, but I've also seen quite a few add-on's for GP3 and > have heard good things about F1 Racing Champ from Ubisoft. > > For those who own all three, or who have tested them, how would you rate > them? > Is it worth my while to pick up GP3 and F1RC knowing that F1RC ver 2 and

F1 > 2001 (by EA) are both due out this fall, or should I sit tight with what I > have? > > Also... Anyone know if GP4 will ever become a reality? I've read latelythat

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> it's dead, but I do recall when they released GP3 that there was lots of > talk about GP4 coming out someting this year. > > Thanks for the advice! > Jay J > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gy%R6.8482$[email hidden]...

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> aaarrrggghhh!!!! > > see many many many previous threads on this! > > different people different answers. > > Iain > >

I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much nicer fellow than this post suggests-- I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC." . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-) Jerry Morelock

Jay I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find here is a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at all, and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour. You'll see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden agendas. Enjoy! Iain "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ar5S6.102656$[email hidden]...

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> > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gy%R6.8482$[email hidden]... > > aaarrrggghhh!!!! > > > > see many many many previous threads on this! > > > > different people different answers. > > > > Iain > > > > > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much

nicer

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> fellow than this post suggests-- > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC." > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-) > > Jerry Morelock > >

There is no real answer. Different people pick up on different things. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Jay J wrote... > Hello, > > I am looking for a bit of feedback on modern F1 titles... > > <snip>

Thanks Iain, No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had a chance to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so much discussion previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort. I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS. Regards, Jay J "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ah7S6.9473$[email hidden]... > Jay > I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find hereis

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> a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at all, > and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour. You'll > see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden agendas. > Enjoy! > Iain > > "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ar5S6.102656$[email hidden]... > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:gy%R6.8482$[email hidden]... > > > aaarrrggghhh!!!! > > > > > > see many many many previous threads on this! > > > > > > different people different answers. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much > nicer > > fellow than this post suggests-- > > > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC." > > > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-) > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > >

General opinions (I have all three titles and F1 World Grand Prix Also) GP3 Looks Crap, Sounds Crap, Drives Crap but the weather is nice F1RC AI's Crap, Physics Crap, but it Looks Nice F1CS2K Looks Average, Physics is Average, AI is average. F1WGP Looks Average, Physics Crap, AI Crap. the bottom line... There is no good Modern F1 game for the PC. <sarcasm> I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or something like that - it's 1960's F1 Racing - that's supposed to be quite good - has some crappy online racing element that's not very popular, not a lot of fun, and hardly ever entertaining and full of horrible people : </sarcasm> There's also a new titile due in about 5 - 10 months (depends where you looks!) called WSC (world sports car) that will be flexible enough to allow a full F1 season to be created for it - combining the best GFX I've seen, rumoured to be the best Physics there is, the most flexible system for add ons, and track detail to DIE for! I'm probably not going to fall sucker to buying another racing game until WSC comes out unless I hear VERY good things about it - then again - someone will say something nice about any racing game just because somehow it appeals to them in a funny way !! Doug "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95_R6.38131$[email hidden]...

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> Hello, > > I am looking for a bit of feedback on modern F1 titles... > > I currently own F1 2000 CS and with all the add on's, patches, etc, etc am > quite happy with it, but I've also seen quite a few add-on's for GP3 and > have heard good things about F1 Racing Champ from Ubisoft. > > For those who own all three, or who have tested them, how would you rate > them? > Is it worth my while to pick up GP3 and F1RC knowing that F1RC ver 2 and

F1 > 2001 (by EA) are both due out this fall, or should I sit tight with what I > have? > > Also... Anyone know if GP4 will ever become a reality? I've read latelythat

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> it's dead, but I do recall when they released GP3 that there was lots of > talk about GP4 coming out someting this year. > > Thanks for the advice! > Jay J > >

Douglas Ellison wrote...

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> <snip> > <sarcasm> > I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or > something like that - it's 1960's F1 Racing - that's > supposed to be quite good - has some crappy online racing > element that's not very popular, not a lot of fun, and > hardly ever entertaining and full of horrible people : > </sarcasm>

LOL!! ;-) You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no fun at all. Jan.<g> =---

Jay What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few. What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others) don't! From a purely personal point of view, I would say that my current favourite of the 3 you mentioned is definitely F1RC. I am still a big fan of F1CS, and in fact I was a major defender of it and its predecessor F12K on this group when all around were slagging it off, but it just doesn't feel right after spending a long time on F1RC. From my perspective, the driving model is just too forgiving, and doesn't feel right any more. I never really got on with GP3 as I felt that it wasn't really any great progression on GP2 - a major disappointment after such a long wait, and the majority on ras (sort of) agreed. F1RC is not however without its problems - mainly in the AI performance. You can get rammed for no particularly good reason at times, and the AI cars can pile into each other rather than finding a way round a stopped car. There is a theory that the AI improves as you go on, but I'm not going to get into that one! One of the main controversies with F1RC on this group is the lack of a patch from Ubi. They have been making silly excuses for some time now about FIA approval and God knows what else as the reason for the late delivery of a patch. They need to get that released very soon. Still, as I said earlier, each of the 3 titles has its fans and detractors, so it's really up to you to try them and see for yourself. Go to a store with a good returns policy! Good luck! Iain "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5l9S6.41070$[email hidden]... > Thanks Iain, > > No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had achance > to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so muchdiscussion

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> previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort. > > I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd > purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I > assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS. > > Regards, > Jay J > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ah7S6.9473$[email hidden]... > > Jay > > I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find here > is > > a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at

all, > > and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour.You'll > > see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hiddenagendas.

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> > Enjoy! > > Iain > > > > "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ar5S6.102656$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:gy%R6.8482$[email hidden]... > > > > aaarrrggghhh!!!! > > > > > > > > see many many many previous threads on this! > > > > > > > > different people different answers. > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a much > > nicer > > > fellow than this post suggests-- > > > > > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC." > > > > > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-) > > > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan Verschueren wrote:

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> > Douglas Ellison wrote... > > <snip> > > <sarcasm> > > I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or > > something like that - it's 1960's F1 Racing - that's > > supposed to be quite good - has some crappy online racing > > element that's not very popular, not a lot of fun, and > > hardly ever entertaining and full of horrible people : > > </sarcasm> > > LOL!! ;-) > > You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no > fun at all. > > Jan.<g> > =---

Drafting and being drafted back, then two abreast into the braking zone for Mulsanne corner...DULL, DULL, DULL!!! I'm so bored!;) Gerry

Go with what you like...I like GP3 the best.........(even though others prefer different) "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lBaS6.9863$[email hidden]... > Jay > > What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few. > What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others) > don't! > From a purely personal point of view, I would say that my currentfavourite > of the 3 you mentioned is definitely F1RC. I am still a big fan of F1CS, > and in fact I was a major defender of it and its predecessor F12K on this > group when all around were slagging it off, but it just doesn't feel right > after spending a long time on F1RC. From my perspective, the drivingmodel > is just too forgiving, and doesn't feel right any more. > I never really got on with GP3 as I felt that it wasn't really any great > progression on GP2 - a major disappointment after such a long wait, andthe > majority on ras (sort of) agreed. > F1RC is not however without its problems - mainly in the AI performance. > You can get rammed for no particularly good reason at times, and the AIcars > can pile into each other rather than finding a way round a stopped car. > There is a theory that the AI improves as you go on, but I'm not going to > get into that one! One of the main controversies with F1RC on this groupis > the lack of a patch from Ubi. They have been making silly excuses forsome > time now about FIA approval and God knows what else as the reason for the > late delivery of a patch. They need to get that released very soon. > Still, as I said earlier, each of the 3 titles has its fans anddetractors,

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> so it's really up to you to try them and see for yourself. Go to a store > with a good returns policy! > > Good luck! > > Iain > > > > "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5l9S6.41070$[email hidden]... > > Thanks Iain, > > > > No I'm actually not new here, but it's been a while since I've had a > chance > > to catch up on things here, I wasn't aware there had been so much > discussion > > previously concerning F1RC, sounds like it's not worth the effort. > > > > I saw a pole over at High Gear (I think) that asked which title you'd > > purchase next, F1 2001 vs. F1RC 2 and they were about dead even, so I > > assumed that F1RC was on the same level as GP3 and F1 2000 CS. > > > > Regards, > > Jay J > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ah7S6.9473$[email hidden]... > > > Jay > > > I think you may be fairly new to ras, so welcome! What you'll find

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> > is > > > a world full of reasonable, rational people with no axes to grind at > all, > > > and every one has a very very rich and wonderful sense of humour. > You'll > > > see only relevant points made, and no-one has any bias or hidden > agendas. > > > Enjoy! > > > Iain > > > > > > "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ar5S6.102656$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:gy%R6.8482$[email hidden]... > > > > > aaarrrggghhh!!!! > > > > > > > > > > see many many many previous threads on this! > > > > > > > > > > different people different answers. > > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure Iain didn't mean to be so short with you and that he's a

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> > > nicer > > > > fellow than this post suggests-- > > > > > > > > I think what he meant to say was, "Anything but F1RC." > > > > > > > > . . . but I could be mistaken . . . :-) > > > > > > > > Jerry Morelock > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Doug is right tho!! PLG, LPG, GLP all suck!! They are just a load of bullocks & are bogus!! Anyway I go to get back to Sarthe dammit! I gotta get that damm straight up to 210mph alone!! phew.. :o)~ | Douglas Ellison wrote... | > I've heard of something called PLG - or LPG, or GLP or

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >You're right... booming down the Mulsanne straight at nearly 200mph is no >fun at all. Well, it isn't - if your opponents are running 202... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Bottom line!! "Different strokes for different folks!!" You may quote me! Hell F1RS is still good!! Sadly Ubi dropped the ball after F1RS!! :o( "RegularRacer" wrote:

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| Go with what you like...I like GP3 the best.........(even though others | prefer different) | | "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:lBaS6.9863$[email hidden]... | > Jay | > | > What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few. | > What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others) | > don't!

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:12:36 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>General opinions (I have all three titles and F1 World Grand Prix Also) > >GP3 >Looks Crap, - matter of opiniojn > Sounds Crap - not since the 3rd party patch to give other car sounds > Drives Crap - matter of opinion >but the weather is nice - true > >F1RC >AI's Crap - true > Physics Crap - matter of opinion > but it Looks Nice - true > >F1CS2K >Looks Average - true > Physics is Average - matter of opinion > AI is average - best there is so far > >F1WGP >Looks Average, Physics Crap, AI Crap.

This ones a non-contender >There is no good Modern F1 game for the PC. Thay all have threir good and bad points, but none of them are crap, Well, I personally consider F1RC crap until they fix the AI, but others don't.

"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95_R6.38131$[email hidden]... Jay, To me the best to drive and the most stable, system wise, is GP3. With a nice, fast system GP3 does not look too bad graphically. I do like the way the car handles and also think the AI is the best of the lot. If you do the huge 2001 update (90 meg) and run GPX for the add-ons, you'll have a pretty nice racing sim. Too bad though that there is no Internet play. The cars in F1CS2000 drive way too heavily. F1RC was fun at first but then I lost interest. There are too many quirks and system mishaps in that game, making the experience less than enjoyable. Plus the AI is not good. That's my brief take, Alanb

"RegularRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ogbS6.378$0%[email hidden]... > Go with what you like...I like GP3 the best.........(even though others > prefer different) > > > Yeah, that's the one I like best of the current contenders, too. It doesn't do anything "best", but IMO it's the most overall fun and the least troublesome. With some excellent 3rd-party patches that add features and improve certain aspects of the sim tremendously--especially the sound--it's hard to beat. Iain represents the difference among the three very well. F1RC is definitely the "best looking", but it's issues are a killer for me. The sim pukes on my system for some reason, so I can't be a judge as to it's features, or lack thereof--highly frustrating, considering its looks and evident potential. But like many others, I have to say that none of the top modern-era contenders are truly satisfying, which may in part be due to the existence of a little gem called GPL. Jerry Morelock

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lBaS6.9863$[email hidden]... > Jay > > What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few. > What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others) > don't! Sarcasm?!? Moi?!? Why, I . . . I . . . I'm, uh . . . speechless!! And "hardened"!? That's low, Iain . . . really, really, low. I may never recover. The pain . . . . . the pain . . . :-) Jerry Morelock

Sorry Jerr! Can you ever forgive me? I didn't really mean ..... Are we still going out Saturday night? I couldn't stand it if you said no.... ...the pain ..... Iain "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_OeS6.104214$[email hidden]...

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> > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lBaS6.9863$[email hidden]... > > Jay > > > > What you have to do here is cut through the sarcasm of the hardened few. > > What Jerry meant was that I (and others) love F1RC but he (and others) > > don't! > > > Sarcasm?!? Moi?!? Why, I . . . I . . . I'm, uh . . . speechless!! > > And "hardened"!? That's low, Iain . . . really, really, low. I may

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> recover. > > The pain . . . . . the pain . . . :-) > > Jerry Morelock > >

I like F1 2K CS most. GP3 drives strange i think, and looks arather bad, F1RC looks superb en runs superb but the AI is stupid. F12K CS looks reasonable , runs rather good, and AI is good. DOK On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:28:29 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:95_R6.38131$[email hidden]... > >Jay, > >To me the best to drive and the most stable, system wise, is GP3. With a >nice, fast system GP3 does not look too bad graphically. I do like the way >the car handles and also think the AI is the best of the lot. If you do the >huge 2001 update (90 meg) and run GPX for the add-ons, you'll have a pretty >nice racing sim. Too bad though that there is no Internet play. > >The cars in F1CS2000 drive way too heavily. F1RC was fun at first but then >I lost interest. There are too many quirks and system mishaps in that game, >making the experience less than enjoyable. Plus the AI is not good. > >That's my brief take, > >Alanb > > > >

I have to agree with FlopDoc. I'm not a big fan of F1CS2k's tracks (compared to F1RC or GP3) but the DM is okay and the AI is very fun to run with. GP3 is fun too but the DM feels artificial and 'disconnected' compared to the other two (feels too much like GP2). Now if the AI can be corrected in F1RC I would be very happy! When is that damn patch coming out! :-) "FlopDoc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I like F1 2K CS most. GP3 drives strange i think, and looks arather > bad, F1RC looks superb en runs superb but the AI is stupid. > F12K CS looks reasonable , runs rather good, and AI is good. > > DOK > > On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:28:29 GMT, "Alan Bernardo" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >"Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:95_R6.38131$[email hidden]... > > > >Jay, > > > >To me the best to drive and the most stable, system wise, is GP3. With a > >nice, fast system GP3 does not look too bad graphically. I do like the

way > >the car handles and also think the AI is the best of the lot. If you dothe > >huge 2001 update (90 meg) and run GPX for the add-ons, you'll have apretty > >nice racing sim. Too bad though that there is no Internet play. > > > >The cars in F1CS2000 drive way too heavily. F1RC was fun at first butthen > >I lost interest. There are too many quirks and system mishaps in thatgame,

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> >making the experience less than enjoyable. Plus the AI is not good. > > > >That's my brief take, > > > >Alanb > > > > > > > > >