SimChassis V Hyperstimulator

I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 years), I thought some comment was called for. The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of anything on the market. To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat differently. I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for the money is misleading. BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied customer. Peter Holt

I don't own either, but have to agree entirely. When I saw the simchassis - I thought where's the wheel and pedals? I hope to purchase a Hyperstimulator one day, but I'll be going for the basic option where you just get the plans of the chassis and have to cut it out of MDF board yourself - will save on freight costs too. BTW Hyperstim havent updated their site news for what appears to be years - are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > years), I thought some comment was called for. > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > anything on the market. > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > differently. > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > the money is misleading. > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > customer. > > Peter Holt

On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:46:03 GMT, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin >regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis >"puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 >years), I thought some comment was called for. > >The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering >wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of >anything on the market.

But I already own a wheel and pedals, as do many others here (actually, I have several: A TSW, TSW2, ACT Labs RS, Saitek R4 Force, etc.). A Hyperstimulator would not allow me to take advantage of any of these existing wheel/pedal combos, thus negating that investment for me, AND effectively making the Hyperstimulator that much more expensive of a purchase option. If you don't already have a wheel and pedal combo, then the Hyperstimulator may be a more attractive alternative. And what about the people who enjoy Force Feedback? You can use a Force Feedback wheel with a SimChassis, but not with a Hyperstimulator. Taken in this light (which is how I intended it), I think my comment is still valid. >To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis >the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest >Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is >US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat >differently. True. But you can just as easily use a $49 Thrustmaster wheel, or a $29 Saitek wheel with a Hyperstimulator, if that's what you already have. >I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would >find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a >desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for >the money is misleading. Yes, this is effectively what I was getting at -- my apologies for drawing a somewhat unfair comparison. >BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied >customer. I admire the Hyperstimulator as a product, but as someone with no room for a cockpit, it's just impractical for me. SimChassis offers two products that DO work nicely for me, though -- the Micro and the Jackman models. As I think I said in my original post, the real strength of the SimChassis line is the diversity of products. I did not mean to imply that the Hyperstimulator is not an excellent product, but my Micro and my TSW2 still cost quite a bit less than a Hyperstimulator, and that is where my comment about price was coming from. Sorry if I offended any Hyperstimulator owners out there -- that was not my intention. -- JB

>On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "JulianTaylor" <[email hidden]> wrote: > ......BTW Hyperstim haven't updated their site news for what appears to beyears - are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? Hi Julian, Yes Hyper is still making and selling Simulators. The company has offices in Australia, Europe and the USA. And we have just appointed a distributor in your neck of the woods, Auckland NZ. In Australia olone we have 8 race centres. I'm the person in charge of their web site but I also have many other responsibilities within the company and we are so bloody busy that the news section of the web site hasn't received the attention it needs. I apologize for being a slack mole and thank you for the kick up the arse. I will endeavour to update the news page in the next few days. Keep an eye out for pics of a 2000 F1 Ferrari and a Jordon Hyper Stimulator. Jon Crooke >On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "JulianTaylor" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I don't own either, but have to agree entirely. When I saw the simchassis - > I thought where's the wheel and pedals? I hope to purchase a Hyperstimulator > one day, but I'll be going for the basic option where you just get the plans > of the chassis and have to cut it out of MDF board yourself - will save on > freight costs too. > BTW Hyperstim havent updated their site news for what appears to be years - > are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? > Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin >> regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis >> "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 >> years), I thought some comment was called for. >> >> The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering >> wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of >> anything on the market. >> >> To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis >> the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest >> Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is >> US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat >> differently. >> >> I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would >> find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a >> desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for >> the money is misleading. >> >> BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied >> customer. >> >> Peter Holt > >

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>On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:46:03 GMT, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin >>regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis >>"puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 >>years), I thought some comment was called for. >> >>The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering >>wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of >>anything on the market. > >But I already own a wheel and pedals, as do many others here >(actually, I have several: A TSW, TSW2, ACT Labs RS, Saitek R4 Force, >etc.). A Hyperstimulator would not allow me to take advantage of any >of these existing wheel/pedal combos, thus negating that investment >for me, AND effectively making the Hyperstimulator that much more >expensive of a purchase option. If you don't already have a wheel and >pedal combo, then the Hyperstimulator may be a more attractive >alternative.

Just jumping in with a comment. The best thing about a Hyper IS the pedal system, particularly the brake, which combined with the seating posistion, is superior to anything I've tried including ECCI and TSW. So building your own chassis/seat setup, no matter how nice, and adding a wheel/pedal system to it does not make it the same as a Hyper. Their steering wheel design unfortunately is not that great. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -12.23 MonsterRank 115.12 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the wheels and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I started to laugh..... over the price. $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the Hyperstims! All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for I could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. -- ed_ -- Note! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! Eat this - suckers! "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > years), I thought some comment was called for. > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > anything on the market. > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > differently. > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > the money is misleading. > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > customer. > > Peter Holt

On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:44:37 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the wheels >and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I >started to laugh..... over the price. > >$700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get >outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the Hyperstims! > >All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for I >could make something like that for the fraction of the costs.

Unless you have your own CNC operation, I guarantee you that you could NOT make your own version of a SimChassis seating system. The SimChassis features a patent-pending slot-and-slide assembly system for the seat cushion and backrest that allow you to change the seating position to various angles to best fit your body. Also, the precision cuts involved could not be duplicated using home woodworking tools. With the precision required to reproduce a SimChassis design, jigsaws, scroll saws, or band saws just wouldn't cut it (pun intended, of course!). <G> Also, the $700 price you mention is more than a little misleading: This is the price for a full-cockpit version -- the SimChassis seat itself starts at $125 -- this is suitable for use with game consoles, or if you'd like to use it as a basis for your own cockpit creation. The Jackman and Micro models are both $200 and $299, respectively, and these are much more versatile than a full-cockpit system, in my opinion. I don't have room for a full cockpit -- either a SimChassis product or a Hyperstimulator -- but I do have room for a Micro or a Jackman, that makes all the difference in the world for me (and a lot of other people, I'm sure). -- JB

Many people spend lots of money on furniture that one could make out of wood themselves. I lack the expertise and tools to make furniture, or a Sim Chassis. I am sure my wife is glad I have not tried to make a chassis! :-O For what the SimChassis is, it works very well. It is a product with almost limitless possibilities of configurations. The wood used in the SimChassis products is also cut with a CNC machine, this I am sure adds to the expense, but also allows more control of the product. I use a custom set of pedals and an ACT Labs Force RS with shifter in mine. My brother-in-law uses his custom pedals and wheel in his. I can use my mouse/trackball and keyboard in the chassis, I can place my 15",17", or 19" on it and get the placement right for the aspect ratio. I can even bring home the projector from work and display it life size on the wall! I have had people that are very large, that were able to get into the SimChassis, as the mount for the wheel and monitor move forward and back so you can exit the chassis without pulling something :-O. SLG "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the wheels >and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I >started to laugh..... over the price. > >$700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get >outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the Hyperstims! > >All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for I >could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > >-- >ed_ >-- >Note! >Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail >mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! >Eat this - suckers! > > >"Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin >> regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis >> "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 >> years), I thought some comment was called for. >> >> The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering >> wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of >> anything on the market. >> >> To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis >> the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest >> Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is >> US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat >> differently. >> >> I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would >> find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a >> desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for >> the money is misleading. >> >> BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied >> customer. >> >> Peter Holt > >

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On Wed, 30 May 2001 05:53:23 GMT, [email hidden] (Don Scurlock) wrote:

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> >Just jumping in with a comment. The best thing about a Hyper IS the pedal >system, particularly the brake, which combined with the seating posistion, is >superior to anything I've tried including ECCI and TSW. So building your own >chassis/seat setup, no matter how nice, and adding a wheel/pedal system to it >does not make it the same as a Hyper. Their steering wheel design unfortunately >is not that great.

What's wrong with the Hyper steering wheel, Don? Peter Holt

$125 is still an awful lot of cash for a sim seat. I use an old bookcase cut in half for the base and a car seat from a scrapyard. Totally adjustable and very comfortable. Cost �10 or about $16 :) I could buy some MDF and make it into an enclosed cockpit for another �20 or so including paint and screws. This way doesn't need any CNC equipment, but I could at a push get access to it if required. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spammers> "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:44:37 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the wheels > >and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I > >started to laugh..... over the price. > > > >$700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get > >outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the Hyperstims! > > > >All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for I > >could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > Unless you have your own CNC operation, I guarantee you that you could > NOT make your own version of a SimChassis seating system. The > SimChassis features a patent-pending slot-and-slide assembly system > for the seat cushion and backrest that allow you to change the seating > position to various angles to best fit your body. Also, the precision > cuts involved could not be duplicated using home woodworking tools. > With the precision required to reproduce a SimChassis design, jigsaws, > scroll saws, or band saws just wouldn't cut it (pun intended, of > course!). <G> > > Also, the $700 price you mention is more than a little misleading: > This is the price for a full-cockpit version -- the SimChassis seat > itself starts at $125 -- this is suitable for use with game consoles, > or if you'd like to use it as a basis for your own cockpit creation. > The Jackman and Micro models are both $200 and $299, respectively, and > these are much more versatile than a full-cockpit system, in my > opinion. I don't have room for a full cockpit -- either a SimChassis > product or a Hyperstimulator -- but I do have room for a Micro or a > Jackman, that makes all the difference in the world for me (and a lot > of other people, I'm sure). > > -- JB

On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:56:03 GMT, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote: wheel design unfortunately >>is not that great. > >What's wrong with the Hyper steering wheel, Don? > >Peter Holt There are several different Hyper wheels out there so he needs to qualify that. Mine is a butterfly shape with the buttons in the center and flippers in the back. There is also a sideways "D" shape and a round "historic" model available. The centering on mine is not real strong so maybe he doesn't like that. I find it quite nice and has been said, there are absolutely NO pedals out there with the real feel like the hyper has. Jeff

On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:19:27 GMT, [email hidden] (John Bodin) wrote:

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>Unless you have your own CNC operation, I guarantee you that you could >NOT make your own version of a SimChassis seating system. The >SimChassis features a patent-pending slot-and-slide assembly system >for the seat cushion and backrest that allow you to change the seating >position to various angles to best fit your body. Also, the precision >cuts involved could not be duplicated using home woodworking tools. >With the precision required to reproduce a SimChassis design, jigsaws, >scroll saws, or band saws just wouldn't cut it (pun intended, of >course!). <G>

John, You can do a reasonably good job (though not Penske quality ) with a hand sabre saw and a router and a lot of time and patience. I built my Hyper Stim from plans that had to be cut out, glued to wood and then cut out, routed, drilled, sanded and painted. A hell of a lot of work but I saved a bundle. I think the slide together concept of the SimChassis is a nice feature and I would probably have opted for it a couple of years ago when I bought my Hyper. The hyper is a quantum step above though IMHO and if you you have the patience and time can be a reasonable price if you purchase the plans and hardware ... Jeff

Hi Jon, Just finished reading, again, an article by John Booker regarding the day spent at your Lilydale centre by members of the VFT. If u wish to see the article go to http://www.vicflag.org.au/pdfs/May2001VFTMag2.pdf All of us had a great time and it's good to Australia's ex-F2 Champion still at the head of the pack in the world of Sim-Racing. -- Snappin' Away, Andrew Mercieca VFT Member, Licensed CAMS Official F3, O3, U3 GPLRank Handicap = 62.38 "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B73A604F.40BA%[email hidden]... > >On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "Julian > Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ......BTW Hyperstim haven't updated their site news for what appears to be > years - are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? > > Hi Julian, > Yes Hyper is still making and selling Simulators. The company has offices in > Australia, Europe and the USA. And we have just appointed a distributor in > your neck of the woods, Auckland NZ. In Australia olone we have 8 race > centres. I'm the person in charge of their web site but I also have many > other responsibilities within the company and we are so bloody busy that the > news section of the web site hasn't received the attention it needs. I > apologize for being a slack mole and thank you for the kick up the arse. I > will endeavour to update the news page in the next few days. Keep an eye out > for pics of a 2000 F1 Ferrari and a Jordon Hyper Stimulator. > > Jon Crooke > > > >On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "Julian > Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I don't own either, but have to agree entirely. When I saw the simchassis - > > I thought where's the wheel and pedals? I hope to purchase a Hyperstimulator > > one day, but I'll be going for the basic option where you just get the plans > > of the chassis and have to cut it out of MDF board yourself - will save on > > freight costs too. > > BTW Hyperstim havent updated their site news for what appears to be years - > > are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? > > Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > >> regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > >> "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > >> years), I thought some comment was called for. > >> > >> The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > >> wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > >> anything on the market. > >> > >> To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > >> the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > >> Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > >> US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > >> differently. > >> > >> I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > >> find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > >> desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > >> the money is misleading. > >> > >> BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > >> customer. > >> > >> Peter Holt > > > > >

The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a fraction of the cost of either of the others. Edward "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r15R6.3032$[email hidden]... > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for thewheels > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I > started to laugh..... over the price. > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat theHyperstims!

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> > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for I > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > -- > ed_ > -- > Note! > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! > Eat this - suckers! > > > "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > > years), I thought some comment was called for. > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > > anything on the market. > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > > differently. > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > > the money is misleading. > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > > customer. > > > > Peter Holt > >

On 31/5/01 4:38 AM, in article [email hidden], "Jeffrey Haas" <[email hidden]> wrote: > The centering on mine is not real strong so maybe > he doesn't like that. > Jeff Hi Jeff, I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including the centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects (National Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8 Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar had only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get confused with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing vehicle is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result provide very strong centering. Great to hear that you're happy with your Hyper. Regards Jon Crooke.

I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have done, they look.....well ridiculous and cheap.... oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of cheapo MDF board........lmao again ! But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.... TM "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CYeR6.88208$[email hidden]... > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a fractionof

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> the cost of either of the others. > > Edward > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:r15R6.3032$[email hidden]... > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the > wheels > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not included - I > > started to laugh..... over the price. > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? Get > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the > Hyperstims! > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that for

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> > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > > > -- > > ed_ > > -- > > Note! > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! > > Eat this - suckers! > > > > > > "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > > > years), I thought some comment was called for. > > > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > > > anything on the market. > > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > > > differently. > > > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > > > the money is misleading. > > > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > > > customer. > > > > > > Peter Holt > > > > > >

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>On Wed, 30 May 2001 15:56:03 GMT, Peter Holt <[email hidden]> >wrote: >>What's wrong with the Hyper steering wheel, Don? >> >>Peter Holt > >There are several different Hyper wheels out there so >he needs to qualify that. Mine is a butterfly shape with the >buttons in the center and flippers in the back. There is >also a sideways "D" shape and a round "historic" model >available. The centering on mine is not real strong so maybe >he doesn't like that. I find it quite nice and has been said, there >are absolutely NO pedals out there with the real feel like the >hyper has. > >Jeff

The quality of construction and design of the steering wheel itself is great, it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't be eliminated, and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -12.23 MonsterRank 115.12 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gYhR6.28649$[email hidden]...

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> I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have done, > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap.... > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of cheapo > MDF board........lmao again ! > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.... > > TM > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CYeR6.88208$[email hidden]... > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a

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I > > > started to laugh..... over the price. > > > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ????Get > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the > > Hyperstims! > > > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure thatfor

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> I > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > -- > > > Note! > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! > > > Eat this - suckers! > > > > > > > > > "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > > > > "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > > > > years), I thought some comment was called for. > > > > > > > > The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a

steering > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > > > > anything on the market. > > > > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, thecheapest > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheelis > > > > US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > > > > differently. > > > > > > > > I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controlswould > > > > find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > > > > desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > > > > the money is misleading. > > > > > > > > BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as asatisfied

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Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do better....much,much better. Bite ME!! "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tCzR6.98403$[email hidden]... > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gYhR6.28649$[email hidden]... > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids havedone, > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap.... > > > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth ofcheapo

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> > MDF board........lmao again ! > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html > > > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.... > > > > TM > > > > > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:CYeR6.88208$[email hidden]... > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a > fraction > > of > > > the cost of either of the others. > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:r15R6.3032$[email hidden]... > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for the > > > wheels > > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not

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> I > > > > started to laugh..... over the price. > > > > > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 ???? > Get > > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the > > > Hyperstims! > > > > > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure that > for > > I > > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > -- > > > > Note! > > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail > > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! > > > > Eat this - suckers! > > > > > > > > > > > > "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > > > > > regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a

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Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8UzR6.29376$[email hidden]...

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> Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do > better....much,much better. > Bite ME!! > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tCzR6.98403$[email hidden]... > > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME > > > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:gYhR6.28649$[email hidden]... > > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have > done, > > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap.... > > > > > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of > cheapo > > > MDF board........lmao again ! > > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out > > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html > > > > > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.... > > > > > > TM > > > > > > > > > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:CYeR6.88208$[email hidden]... > > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... > > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm > > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a > > fraction > > > of > > > > the cost of either of the others. > > > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:r15R6.3032$[email hidden]... > > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for

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For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" it was the simchassis. Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud. If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum.. Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya.... "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yyCR6.98933$[email hidden]...

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> Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a > better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8UzR6.29376$[email hidden]... > > Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do > > better....much,much better. > > Bite ME!! > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tCzR6.98403$[email hidden]... > > > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME > > > > > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:gYhR6.28649$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids have > > done, > > > > they look.....well ridiculous and cheap.... > > > > > > > > oh nearly forgot....US$200....... roflmao, for 20 dollars worth of > > cheapo > > > > MDF board........lmao again ! > > > > But if you want a good laugh guys go and check them out > > > > http://simchassis.bhmotorsports.com/frameset.html > > > > > > > > I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.... > > > > > > > > TM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:CYeR6.88208$[email hidden]... > > > > > The best one is the one you build entirely yourself... > > > > > http://members.home.net/ecrawford1/mara/Racing%20Cockpit.htm > > > > > Has served me faithfully for quite sometime, and was built for a > > > fraction > > > > of > > > > > the cost of either of the others. > > > > > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:r15R6.3032$[email hidden]... > > > > > > When I saw the Simchassis for the first time - I was looking for > the > > > > > wheels > > > > > > and pedals.. Then as I noticed they there were infact not > > included - > > > I > > > > > > started to laugh..... over the price. > > > > > > > > > > > > $700 for some MDF-boards you can get at the localstore for $20 > ???? > > > Get > > > > > > outta here!! Biggest rip-off I've seen in years - even beat the > > > > > Hyperstims! > > > > > > > > > > > > All a bunch hype (pardon the expression!) IMO - I'm pretty sure > that > > > for > > > > I > > > > > > could make something like that for the fraction of the costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Note! > > > > > > Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an > e-mail > > > > > > mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to

many! > > > > > > Eat this - suckers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Peter Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from JBodin

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All rudeness and flaming aside, I would love to see what you come up with. Let us know if/when you have something made. You prolly have many of the needed tools and the knowledge on how to use them. Thanks SLG "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" it was >the simchassis. >Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to >you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud. >If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum.. >Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya.... >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

Well for starters, you did post originally directly beneath the link I posted....So the logical conclusion when you said " these ALL look like...bla bla bla" is that you were referring to mine as well... Constructive criticism I have no problem with, however the childish drivel you put forth is another matter...and if you have something constructive to say about it, I'm more than willing to listen... Yes, put up or shut up, YOU were the one who claimed you could build one "much, much better", apparently you can't.. You spent 4 years proving what?, that you can shoot your mouth off before your brain engages, so what... I quite like my "big square box" and so do many others, if you don't well "whogivesarats ass', some how an appropriate name for you... Maybe you'll get lucky and someone will show you how to use all your boat building tools and you can make one "much, much better"...I doubt it though... "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TqDR6.29466$[email hidden]... > For starters the post I was refering to was not about your "cockpit" itwas

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> the simchassis. > Put up or shut up?....... man I don't have to prove nothing, especially to > you, I spent 4 years "proving it"bud. > If you can't take some criticism,don't put links in a public forum.. > Now climb back in your big square box and drive the flock off will ya.... > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yyCR6.98933$[email hidden]... > > Oh sure boat builder uh, well lets see what you can do then...build a > > better one .... put up or shut up! Bite ME...twice > > > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8UzR6.29376$[email hidden]... > > > Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do > > > better....much,much better. > > > Bite ME!! > > > > > > "Edward_C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:tCzR6.98403$[email hidden]... > > > > And you could do better?..I doubt it very much....oh yeah ..Bite ME > > > > > > > > "Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:gYhR6.28649$[email hidden]... > > > > > I'm sorry but these all look like high school projects the kids

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a > > > > steering > > > > > > > > wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are theequal > of > > > > > > > > anything on the market. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the > > > Simchassis > > > > > > > > the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example,the > > > > cheapest > > > > > > > > Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to theHyper's

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> >On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "Julian > Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > ......BTW Hyperstim haven't updated their site news for what appears to be > years - are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? > > Hi Julian, > Yes Hyper is still making and selling Simulators. The company has offices in > Australia, Europe and the USA. And we have just appointed a distributor in > your neck of the woods, Auckland NZ. In Australia olone we have 8 race > centres. I'm the person in charge of their web site but I also have many > other responsibilities within the company and we are so bloody busy that the > news section of the web site hasn't received the attention it needs. I > apologize for being a slack mole and thank you for the kick up the arse. I > will endeavour to update the news page in the next few days. Keep an eye out > for pics of a 2000 F1 Ferrari and a Jordon Hyper Stimulator. > > Jon Crooke > > >On 30/5/01 2:56 AM, in article 9f0k1a$1pfs$[email hidden], "Julian > Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > I don't own either, but have to agree entirely. When I saw the simchassis - > > I thought where's the wheel and pedals? I hope to purchase a Hyperstimulator > > one day, but I'll be going for the basic option where you just get the plans > > of the chassis and have to cut it out of MDF board yourself - will save on > > freight costs too. > > BTW Hyperstim havent updated their site news for what appears to be years - > > are they still making/selling Hyperstimulators? > > Peter Holt <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > >> I saw a post today on the High Gear hardware forum from J Bodin > >> regarding the Simchassis in which he says the price of a Simchassis > >> "puts to shame" the price of a Hyper. As a long time Hyper owner (5 > >> years), I thought some comment was called for. > >> > >> The important point is that the Simchassis does not include a steering > >> wheel and pedals where the Hyper does, and they are the equal of > >> anything on the market. > >> > >> To properly compare the two, you would have to add to the Simchassis > >> the cost of a top quality wheel and pedals. For example, the cheapest > >> Thomas Superwheel that has comparable features to the Hyper's wheel is > >> US$855. Adding that makes the comparison come out somewhat > >> differently. > >> > >> I'm sure that people who are happy with their existing controls would > >> find the Simchassis a good way to get away from driving sitting at a > >> desk but to simply compare the price without noting what you get for > >> the money is misleading. > >> > >> BTW, the only connection I have with Hyperstimulator is as a satisfied > >> customer. > >> > >> Peter Holt > > > >

"Whogivesarats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8UzR6.29376$[email hidden]... > Considering that I'm a boat builder/carpenter by trade yeah I could do > better....much,much better. > Bite ME!! > Nonsense, you couldn't do crap because you dont have access CNC equipment. All the fine cabinetry about my house, some of it predating the existence of CNC equipment by 100 years or so, must also be crap. I have to admit to some scepticism about the "patent pending" adjustable seat though. I have Morris Chairs. My library is full of plans for sloted assembly plywood projects. Of course I couldn't possibly make them worth a damn. KFG

On 31/5/01 12:58 PM, in article 90B1CB3BFdscurlock@news, "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote: > and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't > supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel.Hi Don I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including the centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects (National Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8 Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar had only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get confused with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing vehicle is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result provide very strong centering. > it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel > shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of > some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't > be eliminated,You must have tested a steering box that had the external screw adjusters too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all. Jon Crooke

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>Hi Don >I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including the >centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters >on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects (National >Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8 >Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed >very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar had >only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get confused >with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing vehicle >is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result >provide very strong centering. >You must have tested a steering box that had the external screw adjusters >too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and >quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all.

Although I'd very much like to, I have no experience in karts. I have however spent some time in a Formula Ford. We're talking matters of degree here Jon, and also in the context of driving a feedback lacking computer simulation as opposed to driving a real car. In a sim wheel, the emphasis on centering weight needs to be on giving some useful feedback and less on mimicking the actual feel of a real car, not to mention that the force is going to vary so much for different types of real cars that no one sim wheel is going to mimick them all anyway. Whether the centering force on a sim wheel is strong or light is personal preference and not really my point. In sim driving the number of degrees of wheel turn tends to be less than in real life, a lot of time is spent within a few degrees of center, and having a good sense of when the wheel is centered is our main clue as to what the car is doing. So the way the wheel reacts exactly at center is critical to getting useful feedback. It must be frictionless with a clear sense of where center is, and that specifically is what the Hyper lacks. I had the oppurtunity to try a Hyper, a TSW, and a ECCI, all setup up in the same room for a number of days. With the Hyper, we spent a fair amount of time trying to eliminate the friction in the system to get more feel at center. We removed the steering box cover, backed out the tension screw all the way, even tried lubricating the plastic block bushing, and could never get it close to being as friction free, and to having as much feel at center, as the TSW or ECCI wheels that were also in the room. And the reasons for that were obvious, a plastic bushing under spring load is never going to approach the smoothness of a ball bearing. Also, the way the Hypers centering springs connect to the steering shaft has them giving up almost all leverage at the center posistion, this combined with the friction of the plastic steering shaft bushing makes for a very vague feel at center. Don't get me wrong Jon, I think Hypers are a fantastic product. The quality of constuction, seating position and comfort, and particulary the pedal design, feel, and adjustability are outstanding. There is however a bit of room for improvement. Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -13.12 MonsterRank 106.40 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be software drivers for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. les marton's drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be excellent. This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of win9x. Ta "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B7430CAF.4457%[email hidden]...

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> On 31/5/01 12:58 PM, in article 90B1CB3BFdscurlock@news, "Don Scurlock" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't > > supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel. > Hi Don > I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including

the > centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters > on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects(National > Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8 > Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed > very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercarhad > only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people getconfused > with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racingvehicle

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> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result > provide very strong centering. > > > it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel > > shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of > > some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't > > be eliminated, > You must have tested a steering box that had the external screw adjusters > too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and > quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all. > > Jon Crooke > > > >

Hi Terry. Yes, Les is working on that at the moment. Regards Jon On 9/6/01 1:17 AM, in article 3b20eb9a$0$25475$[email hidden], "Terry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be software drivers > for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. les marton's > drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be > excellent. > This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of > win9x. > > Ta > > "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:B7430CAF.4457%[email hidden]... >> On 31/5/01 12:58 PM, in article 90B1CB3BFdscurlock@news, "Don Scurlock" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>> and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't >>> supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel. >> Hi Don >> I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including > the >> centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design parameters >> on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects > (National >> Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's and V8 >> Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler cars displayed >> very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8 Supercar > had >> only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get > confused >> with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing > vehicle >> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result >> provide very strong centering. >> >>> it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel >>> shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of >>> some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that can't >>> be eliminated, >> You must have tested a steering box that had the external screw adjusters >> too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and >> quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all. >> >> Jon Crooke >> >> >> >> > >

Thats excellent, thanks for the reply "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:B747B936.5225%[email hidden]... > Hi Terry. > Yes, Les is working on that at the moment. > Regards Jon > > On 9/6/01 1:17 AM, in article > 3b20eb9a$0$25475$[email hidden], "Terry"<[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > howdy, slightly off this topic but is there/will there be softwaredrivers > > for win2000 (and/or winXP when it comes out) for the hyperstim. lesmarton's

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> > drivers's for win9x/ME are excellent, so something like them would be > > excellent. > > This is the only thing holding me back from running win2000 instead of > > win9x. > > > > Ta > > > > "Jon Crooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:B7430CAF.4457%[email hidden]... > >> On 31/5/01 12:58 PM, in article 90B1CB3BFdscurlock@news, "Don Scurlock" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >>> and a multi spring wheel return system that didn't > >>> supply the right amount of force and added to the lack of feel. > >> Hi Don > >> I'm the person responsible for designing the Hyper Stimulator including > > the > >> centering feel of the Hyper Stimulator wheel. I based my design

parameters > >> on my own extensive experience of driving Formula 2 ground effects > > (National > >> Champion) and non-ground effects cars, Formula Fords, Formula Vee's andV8 > >> Supercars (Works Mobil/Brock driver). All the open wheeler carsdisplayed > >> very little centering due to the low castor angles used. The V8Supercar

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> > had > >> only slightly more centering weight. I think where some people get > > confused > >> with centering weight is that their experience with driving a racing > > vehicle > >> is in a Go-Kart. Go-Karts run very high castor angles and as a result > >> provide very strong centering. > >> > >>> it's the "feel" that I really didn't like. The steering wheel > >>> shaft is steel but the bearings it runs through are a solid block of > >>> some kind of high density plastic that has too much friction that

can't > >>> be eliminated, > >> You must have tested a steering box that had the external screwadjusters

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> >> too tight. The steering has been designed so that it can be easily and > >> quickly adjusted by the driver so that there is no friction at all. > >> > >> Jon Crooke > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >