Papyrus Done?

Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL.

Sure they can top it: 1. Give us those addons -- Trucks, GN, Legends. 2. We need more short tracks and road courses: Maybe a CASCAR addon. You would get Mosport, 3-Rivers (equivalent english name for the french track), Edmonton as new road courses. Plus lots of great short tracks. 3. Basically, make anything with the new physics engine from N4 with internet play and I'll buy it :-) Jason. Morris Jones wrote: > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

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> Sure they can top it: > > 1. Give us those addons -- Trucks, GN, Legends. > 2. We need more short tracks and road courses: Maybe a CASCAR addon. > You would get Mosport, 3-Rivers (equivalent english name for the french > track), Edmonton as new road courses. Plus lots of great short tracks. > 3. Basically, make anything with the new physics engine from N4 with > internet play and I'll buy it :-) > > Jason. > > Morris Jones wrote: > > > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims) > http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

The last I heard the next project is... "an open wheel sim" Exactly what kind of open wheel was not mentioned. buzard "Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 andGPL. > >

Ahmen brother -Phasor "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sure they can top it: > > 1. Give us those addons -- Trucks, GN, Legends. > 2. We need more short tracks and road courses: Maybe a CASCAR addon. > You would get Mosport, 3-Rivers (equivalent english name for the french > track), Edmonton as new road courses. Plus lots of great short tracks. > 3. Basically, make anything with the new physics engine from N4 with > internet play and I'll buy it :-) > > Jason.

Another year goes by, computers get faster, graphics are faster and on and on and on... Sure theres more they can do. Even to Nascar Racing. On Tue, 15 May 2001 18:39:37 -0500, "Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. >

Bob Thurman wrote in message ... >The last I heard the next project is... >"an open wheel sim" >Exactly what kind of open wheel was not mentioned. hopefully a U.S.A.C sprint car game with both dirt and pavement

> > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. > CART SIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morris Jones wrote: > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. Rumor has it they are doing an open wheel; CART, I'd guess. Before they start that project, I really with they'd consider a GPL update. With relatively little effort, they could tweak GPL in several ways: Whip up a carset for another year. (The Turbo Era wins most polls) Improve the sound engine. (WSC preview sounds blow everything else into the weeds) Tweak the physics. (Dyanmic camber, etc, etc, etc.) Better network collision detection and resolution. Increase max cars for LAN multiplayer. Add the 'missing' cars / teams from '67. ETC....... I guess we can dream. -Greg =========== Anti-Spam measures have been taken! Remove duplicate letters to reply.

YEA PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "TRUSRS85" wrote: | CART SIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just wasn't expecting that reply from you ;) </sarcasm> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. > > > > CART SIM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add appropriate pit stop capability--since that is the only glaring omission from the "simulation" part of the title. Marc. "Greg Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Morris Jones wrote: > > > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 andGPL.

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> > > Rumor has it they are doing an open wheel; CART, I'd guess. > > Before they start that project, I really with they'd consider a GPL > update. > With relatively little effort, they could tweak GPL in several ways: > > Whip up a carset for another year. (The Turbo Era wins most polls) > Improve the sound engine. (WSC preview sounds blow everything else > into the weeds) > Tweak the physics. (Dyanmic camber, etc, etc, etc.) > Better network collision detection and resolution. > Increase max cars for LAN multiplayer. > Add the 'missing' cars / teams from '67. > ETC....... > > I guess we can dream. > > -Greg > > =========== > > Anti-Spam measures have been taken! > Remove duplicate letters to reply. >

I second that... A CASCAR fan... cool ;) Mosport would be possible (GPL), Trois-Rivières would be great (not mentionning all those CASCAR short tracks). Edmonton: is that the western airport track? Jason Monds wrote:

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> > Sure they can top it: > > 1. Give us those addons -- Trucks, GN, Legends. > 2. We need more short tracks and road courses: Maybe a CASCAR addon. > You would get Mosport, 3-Rivers (equivalent english name for the french > track), Edmonton as new road courses. Plus lots of great short tracks. > 3. Basically, make anything with the new physics engine from N4 with > internet play and I'll buy it :-) > > Jason. > > Morris Jones wrote: > > > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims) > http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

It's the inner-city airport track. I'm not sure of the western-ness of it, but it's probably the same one you're thinking of. It's definitely not at the Edmonton International airport. Speedvision televised the Edmonton race last year and it was a blast to watch :) I recommend watching Speedvisions' coverage of CASCAR this year for anyone who haven't seen them. Jason. Philster wrote: > > I second that... A CASCAR fan... cool ;) Mosport would be possible > (GPL), Trois-Rivi�res would be great (not mentionning all those CASCAR > short tracks). Edmonton: is that the western airport track? > -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

You still believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too, don't you Bob? :-/ On Wed, 16 May 2001 01:47:56 GMT, "Bob Thurman" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The last I heard the next project is... >"an open wheel sim" >Exactly what kind of open wheel was not mentioned. > >buzard > >"Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and >GPL. >> >> > >

NOBODY is doing a CART sim -- Midway has a LOCK on the CART license. Even though the Midway license uses the words "Fantasy-style," which leaves a HUGE loophole for someone else to develop simultaneous CART sims, it's not going to happen -- the CART management people don't understand the difference between "fantasy" and "sim," and as far as finding loopholes, I don't think they could find their way out of a phone booth even with the help of a chauffer and a seeing-eye dog these days. Also, one of Papy's competitors has stated that neither CART nor the IRL has any kind of fan base that would generate sales anywhere near what an F1 or NASCAR title could generate. No percieved market, no interest in the product. This would be true for Papy, too, I'm sure, especially after getting burned due to lack of interest with GPL. Expect nothing more than more NASCAR from Papy at any point in the near future. -- JB On Tue, 15 May 2001 22:24:29 -0700, Greg Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Morris Jones wrote: >> >> Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and GPL. > > >Rumor has it they are doing an open wheel; CART, I'd guess. > >Before they start that project, I really with they'd consider a GPL >update. >With relatively little effort, they could tweak GPL in several ways: > > Whip up a carset for another year. (The Turbo Era wins most polls) > Improve the sound engine. (WSC preview sounds blow everything else >into the weeds) > Tweak the physics. (Dyanmic camber, etc, etc, etc.) > Better network collision detection and resolution. > Increase max cars for LAN multiplayer. > Add the 'missing' cars / teams from '67. > ETC....... > >I guess we can dream. > >-Greg > >=========== > >Anti-Spam measures have been taken! >Remove duplicate letters to reply. >

No not really! buzard "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You still believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too, don't > you Bob? > > :-/ > > On Wed, 16 May 2001 01:47:56 GMT, "Bob Thurman" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >The last I heard the next project is... > >"an open wheel sim" > >Exactly what kind of open wheel was not mentioned. > > > >buzard > > > >"Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and > >GPL. > >> > >> > > > > >

No not really! buzard

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> You still believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too, don't > you Bob? > :-/ > >The last I heard the next project is... > >"an open wheel sim" > >Exactly what kind of open wheel was not mentioned. > >buzard > >> Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and > >GPL.

Testify, brother! N4's got awesome physics, but driving around the ovals online with no Pit Strategy needed will eventually get old. Maybe Papyrus will add the accelerated wear option mentioned on the Sierra forum, but it will probably have to be a 3rd party job given Papy's purist philosophy. OTOH, racing 20 laps on Sierra with the wreckers and rookies can be hoot sometimes! "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NWBM6.131967$[email hidden]... > Add appropriate pit stop capability--since that is the only glaringomission

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> from the "simulation" part of the title. > > Marc. > > "Greg Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Morris Jones wrote: > > > > > > Is Papy working on anything else, I'm not sure they can top N4 and > GPL. > > > > > > Rumor has it they are doing an open wheel; CART, I'd guess. > > > > Before they start that project, I really with they'd consider a GPL > > update. > > With relatively little effort, they could tweak GPL in several ways: > > > > Whip up a carset for another year. (The Turbo Era wins most polls) > > Improve the sound engine. (WSC preview sounds blow everything else > > into the weeds) > > Tweak the physics. (Dyanmic camber, etc, etc, etc.) > > Better network collision detection and resolution. > > Increase max cars for LAN multiplayer. > > Add the 'missing' cars / teams from '67. > > ETC....... > > > > I guess we can dream. > > > > -Greg > > > > =========== > > > > Anti-Spam measures have been taken! > > Remove duplicate letters to reply. > > > >

"charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b01f082$0$62145$[email hidden]... > > hopefully a U.S.A.C sprint car game with > both dirt and pavement It would be hard for Papyrus to develop a game that could actually sell fewer copies than GPL, but a USAC sprint car game would just about do it.

"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> NOBODY is doing a CART sim -- Midway has a LOCK on the CART license. > Even though the Midway license uses the words "Fantasy-style," which > leaves a HUGE loophole for someone else to develop simultaneous CART > sims, it's not going to happen -- the CART management people don't > understand the difference between "fantasy" and "sim," and as far as > finding loopholes, I don't think they could find their way out of a > phone booth even with the help of a chauffer and a seeing-eye dog > these days.

We've been through this before. There is not a single shred of evidence that Midway has an exclusive license.

The Edmonton track is at the municipal airport. They claim it is the only race with aircraft (mostly light planes) using the same field during the race. Roy Berube "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's the inner-city airport track. I'm not sure of the western-ness of > it, but it's probably the same one you're thinking of. It's definitely > not at the Edmonton International airport. Speedvision televised the > Edmonton race last year and it was a blast to watch :) I recommend > watching Speedvisions' coverage of CASCAR this year for anyone who > haven't seen them. > > Jason. >

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And yet there is not one word of any other company even attempting to produce a CART sim. Do you think the CART Heat and Cart 2001 patches would be unchallenged if some company was readying it's own retail version????? dave henrie "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VuGM6.2509$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > NOBODY is doing a CART sim -- Midway has a LOCK on the CART license. > > Even though the Midway license uses the words "Fantasy-style," which > > leaves a HUGE loophole for someone else to develop simultaneous CART > > sims, it's not going to happen -- the CART management people don't > > understand the difference between "fantasy" and "sim," and as far as > > finding loopholes, I don't think they could find their way out of a > > phone booth even with the help of a chauffer and a seeing-eye dog > > these days. > > We've been through this before. There is not a single shred of evidence > that Midway has an exclusive license. > >

>"Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote >I second that... A CASCAR fan... cool ;) We'll never see a CASCAR sim seriously. Canada is demographically just as big as a large US state. Be sure that Papyrus is aiming at something much more better and more known ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Roy Berube" <[email hidden]> wrote > it is the only > race with aircraft (mostly light planes) using the same field during the > race. Anybody has a link to the 747 airplane incident during a Karting race on a abandoned airport back in the early 90's? That was quite a story. The plane had to do an emergency landing near Winnipeg and the only place possible was an old landing strip, which was holding a Karting event at that moment. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote > NOBODY is doing a CART sim -- Midway has a LOCK on the CART license. You do not know about that. Nobody knows, you only assume. You don't want to go there *again*, John? > the CART management people don't > understand the difference between "fantasy" and "sim," Another time, you don't know! We've never, ever had a word from CART about that. Papyrus still has their CART licensing until the end of 2001 IIRC. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote > It would be hard for Papyrus to develop a game that could actually sell > fewer copies than GPL, but a USAC sprint car game would just about do it. Well a CASCAR sim would be even worse ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9NHM6.11482$[email hidden]... > >"Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote > > It would be hard for Papyrus to develop a game that could actually sell > > fewer copies than GPL, but a USAC sprint car game would just about doit. > > Well a CASCAR sim would be even worse ;-) The first thing that pops to my mind is "What is CASCAR?" So I'd have to agree with you on this one. Maybe Papyrus could develop WSC (World Sprint Cars) and have it be an open sim where you can add your own CASCAR vehicles!

Cascar is the Canadien version of Nascar. They run cars that are closer to real world dimensions but still purpose built Ford's and Chevy's and Dodges. btw..Dodge was racing it's Avenger Model up North in the Cascar Series at least two year before they made thier famous 'Return to Racing' at Daytona. dave henrie "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lGPM6.2716$[email hidden]... > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9NHM6.11482$[email hidden]... > > >"Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > It would be hard for Papyrus to develop a game that could actuallysell

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> > > fewer copies than GPL, but a USAC sprint car game would just about do > it. > > > > Well a CASCAR sim would be even worse ;-) > > The first thing that pops to my mind is "What is CASCAR?" So I'd have to > agree with you on this one. Maybe Papyrus could develop WSC (World Sprint > Cars) and have it be an open sim where you can add your own CASCAR

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Maybe not a USAC game but Ratbag did pretty good with DTR and Outlaw sprint games. Mike Grandy Proud Member of Precision Racing Internet Race Team 3 A Champion Forever-Godspeed Dale "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dtGM6.2507$[email hidden]... "charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3b01f082$0$62145$[email hidden]... > > hopefully a U.S.A.C sprint car game with > both dirt and pavement It would be hard for Papyrus to develop a game that could actually sell fewer copies than GPL, but a USAC sprint car game would just about do it.

In article <v7GM6.38000$[email hidden]>, "Peyton Oxford" <[email hidden]> writes: >Testify, brother! N4's got awesome physics, but driving around the ovals >online with no Pit Strategy needed will eventually get old. Maybe Papyrus >will add the accelerated wear option mentioned on the Sierra forum, but it >will probably have to be a 3rd party job given Papy's purist philosophy. >OTOH, racing 20 laps on Sierra with the wreckers and rookies can be hoot >sometimes! You can't make pit stops online? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <v7GM6.38000$[email hidden]>, "Peyton Oxford" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Testify, brother! N4's got awesome physics, but driving around the ovals > >online with no Pit Strategy needed will eventually get old. Maybe Papyrus > >will add the accelerated wear option mentioned on the Sierra forum, but it > >will probably have to be a 3rd party job given Papy's purist philosophy. > >OTOH, racing 20 laps on Sierra with the wreckers and rookies can be hoot > >sometimes! > > You can't make pit stops online?

You can, but the vast majority of pick up races are 10%ers. -- Fester

Why not? We pit all the time online Eldred. Whether its a scheduled pit or not. Sadly, most are "not"...phew. Too many wreckes in some of the pick'up races but if you find a good group or server you don't have this!! Thank God.. "EldredP" wrote: | You can't make pit stops online? | Eldred

>> You can't make pit stops online? > > >You can, but the vast majority of pick up races are 10%ers. > Ah, ok. I haven't run an online race yet. I tried one, but it was a slide show. Offline, it was pretty smooth. I'm not sure what the problem in online races is yet... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I had a private conversation one day with Shawn Wise and I know that they are going to be working on another project .. when I asked him if it was possibly a Cart Sim or a Dirt Track Racing sim he told me whether or not it was possible. Unfortunately, I can not tell you the answer :) Just know that they are defnately going to start another project and that is good news to me no matter what it turns out to be.

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yrWM6.167$1l6.108@interramp... > I had a private conversation one day with Shawn Wise and I know that they > are going to be working on another project .. when I asked him if it was > possibly a Cart Sim or a Dirt Track Racing sim he told me whether or notit > was possible. > > Unfortunately, I can not tell you the answer :) So what's the point of posting? Hell, I can say 'Papyrus is developing another title'.

Let me guess... a new online RPG where players play as NASCAR related personnel (EverCAR?). lol Cliff Roman wrote:

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-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

On Tue, 15 May 2001 23:20:55 -0400, "charles" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >hopefully a U.S.A.C sprint car game with >both dirt and pavement > Now this would be cool...

On Thu, 17 May 2001 13:52:10 GMT, "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Maybe not a USAC game but Ratbag did pretty good with DTR and Outlaw sprint games. Yes they are great releases, but if they charged a "regular" price for these titles, I dont think they would have sold as well. :) ---------------- Skotty Flynn http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com

What was the original question in the thread? "Andrew S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XB_M6.3691$[email hidden]... > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:yrWM6.167$1l6.108@interramp... > > I had a private conversation one day with Shawn Wise and I know thatthey > > are going to be working on another project .. when I asked him if itwas

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>"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:yrWM6.167$1l6.108@interramp... >> I had a private conversation one day with Shawn Wise and I know that they >> are going to be working on another project .. when I asked him if it was >> possibly a Cart Sim or a Dirt Track Racing sim he told me whether or not >it >> was possible. >> >> Unfortunately, I can not tell you the answer :) > >So what's the point of posting? Hell, I can say 'Papyrus is developing >another title'. >

<sings> "I've got a see-cret..."<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

hehe, actually the whole message did not come out like I meant it to. The whole purpose of it was just to say that Yes, Papy will be working on another project (the original question in all of this). "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <XB_M6.3691$[email hidden]>, "Andrew S"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:yrWM6.167$1l6.108@interramp... > >> I had a private conversation one day with Shawn Wise and I know thatthey > >> are going to be working on another project .. when I asked him if itwas > >> possibly a Cart Sim or a Dirt Track Racing sim he told me whether ornot

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"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YY7N6.33332$[email hidden]... > What was the original question in the thread? Sorry, you're right. That was the original question. Your post was so far down the tree, that I had forgotten the original question.