How many Nascar roadcourses are there?

I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as roadcourses. I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch series ever race on other road courses?

Recently yes, but I know they ran others in the past. They have, however, totally screwed up Sears Point and turned it into more a squiggly oval than a road course. Even the drivers complain about it. Olly Greenfield wrote: > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses?

>"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. But it'll have more short tracks ;-) > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses? The term "NASCAR" is very vague. There are currently 12 Nascar series running in North America. The primary one, the Winston Cup series hasn't run another road course since Riverside back decades ago. It only runs both tracks. But, in other series, they have raced some road courses. Portland, Topeka, etc.. You can check out the schedules at nascar.com -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Olly Greenfield wrote: > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses? Well, there is Red Rocks and Bull Run, the two fantasy courses from Nascar 2...I actually enjoyed racing those more than the 'real' road courses (Glen and Sear's), tho nobody in their right mind would design a turn at the bottom of a steep hill (where you hit 220 before you have to brake) like at Red Rocks...if your brakes fail you will go sailing into the canyons... JD

BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at least last time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used to run Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3 series today those 4 are are it. "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]...

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> I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses? > >

NASCAR2 sears is cool, new sears sux (to use an americanism) pez Bryon Lape <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Recently yes, but I know they ran others in the past. They have, however, > totally screwed up Sears Point and turned it into more a squiggly ovalthan a > road course. Even the drivers complain about it. > > Olly Greenfield wrote: > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack forN4 > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > roadcourses. > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > series ever race on other road courses? >

Bryon.... When's the last time you drove at Sears? They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at least the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involved with the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degree turns connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to the SPR website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup drivers who tested there two weeks ago. Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? Tom

In article <[email hidden]>, John DiFool <[email hidden]> writes: > Well, there is Red Rocks and Bull Run, the two fantasy courses >from Nascar 2...I actually enjoyed racing those more than the 'real' >road courses (Glen and Sear's), tho nobody in their right mind would >design a turn at the bottom of a steep hill (where you hit 220 before >you have to brake) like at Red Rocks...if your brakes fail you will >go sailing into the canyons... 220?!? I don't even remember getting to 190 there... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Pardon me Tom, But Sears is (imho) RUNIED compared to how the old layout (N1/N2) was with the carousell and drag-strip etc.... I'll never forgive the IDIOT(s) who did it. -- ed_ -- Note! Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many! Eat this - suckers! it was when Tom Pabst <[email hidden]> skrev i meldingsnyheter:ywCL6.7219$%[email hidden]... > Bryon.... > > When's the last time you drove at Sears? > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at least > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involved with > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the > Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degree turns > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to the SPR > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup drivers who > tested there two weeks ago. > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > Tom

> > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > Tom a)The BGN/CTS addon b) Nascar5 c) after they Finish CART Racing 3. dave henrie

And why did they change it in the first place? Tom Pabst wrote:

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> Bryon.... > > When's the last time you drove at Sears? > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at least > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involved with > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the > Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degree turns > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to the SPR > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup drivers who > tested there two weeks ago. > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > Tom

I think c) will only happen after a few years of deep freeze in hell. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > > > Tom > a)The BGN/CTS addon > b) Nascar5 > c) after they Finish CART Racing 3. > > dave henrie

They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel turn in the middle. dave henrie "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> And why did they change it in the first place? > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > Bryon.... > > > > When's the last time you drove at Sears? > > > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at

least > > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involvedwith > > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the > > Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degreeturns > > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to theSPR > > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup driverswho > > tested there two weeks ago. > > > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > > > Tom >

Hey Tom...I just watched some motorcycle races at Sears and they said turn eleven was 300 feet/yards? closet than before. what did they do? Use the Gilligan's Island Pitlane for the exit of the turn? dave henrie "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ywCL6.7219$%[email hidden]... > Bryon.... > > When's the last time you drove at Sears? > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at least > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involvedwith > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the > Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degreeturns > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to theSPR > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup driverswho

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> tested there two weeks ago. > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > Tom > > > >

>"Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote > And why did they change it in the first place? $$$$$$ -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

In article <oFIL6.158$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel turn >in the middle. Awww... Then everyone else should have PRACTICED a bit more, eh?<g> It's just like Nascar with it's constant rule changes. The Ford guys complain "Wah, the Chevys are better", so Nascar gives Fords less spoiler. Then someone ELSE complains "Waah, now the Fords have an advantage". Then, Nascar gives THAT group some concession. I say, put 'em all in the same exact car, run spec races, and let the better driver/team combo win. Geez, teams that have to actually WORK at it for success??? What a concept... Sorry for the rant. The constant 'dubious' changes are a pet peeve... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and attract Nascar races. They want to take the entire last complex of turns and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped ovoid... dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <oFIL6.158$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the caroselturn > >in the middle. > > Awww... Then everyone else should have PRACTICED a bit more, eh?<g> > It's just like Nascar with it's constant rule changes. The Ford guyscomplain > "Wah, the Chevys are better", so Nascar gives Fords less spoiler. Thensomeone > ELSE complains "Waah, now the Fords have an advantage". Then, Nascargives > THAT group some concession. I say, put 'em all in the same exact car, runspec

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> races, and let the better driver/team combo win. Geez, teams that have to > actually WORK at it for success??? What a concept... > Sorry for the rant. The constant 'dubious' changes are a pet peeve... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Unfortunately, Portland was scratched this season. "Scott Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iRxL6.107$[email hidden]... BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at least last time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used to run Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3 series today those 4 are are it. "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]...

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> I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses? > >

In article <bhXL6.2298$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and >attract Nascar races. They want to take the entire last complex of turns >and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they >also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival >curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped >ovoid... Well, I don't like PIR *anyway*. So, I don't really give a f-... um, I don't CARE...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Waaaaay back...back so far I can barely remember, I got spoiled on sim driving by ICR1. the cars had TONS of downforce and mega brakes. I'd use a joystick at Long Beach or Milwaukee and start in the back and lead the race by 10 laps at 100%....I thought I was something...Then I went to Portland...The square 90degree corners at Long Beach don't really teach anything about apexing and setting up a 2nd turn with your exit from the first... But Portland....I couldn't even keep up with the FREEKIN' PACECAR!!! I put ICR1 away..never got the hang of ICR2 at Portland either...if anything it was worse...and the weight transfer bug meant you couldn't balance the car after about 15 laps or so...Road America was a disaster for me. It wasn't until the touring car patch for the TPTCC league came out for N2 that I learned to take the 3rd and 4th corners at Portland as one LONG arc. Of course I STILL suck at almost all sims...but at least I can outrun the pacecar now... :> dave henrie (mr 3 wheeler) "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <bhXL6.2298$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and > >attract Nascar races. They want to take the entire last complex of turns > >and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they > >also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival > >curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped > >ovoid... > > Well, I don't like PIR *anyway*. So, I don't really give a f-... um, I

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> CARE...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

And unfortunately, wasn't heartland scratched last season? "Henry Hohn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Pt_L6.1366$[email hidden]... > Unfortunately, Portland was scratched this season. > > > "Scott Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:iRxL6.107$[email hidden]... > BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at leastlast > time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used torun > Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3series

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> today those 4 are are it. > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for

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> > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > roadcourses. > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > >

This is ONE of many reasons why a modern CART sim is so desirable to all us who keep clamoring for it. Especially if Papyrus released it...then we could possibly get the track guru's to convert the updated tracks. In America right now...the major Road Racing is done not by Nascar but by other Series like the ALMS, Grand American,(which is co-owned by Nascar), CART and the dozens of SCCA sponsored club level race series...I guess I should include Trans Am and the two Speedvision Cup leagues as well. Nascar runs 1 event at 2 roadcourses and both have been simplified to up the overall speeds.(Watkins Glen and Sears Point.) Fortunately for us simmers, there are older versions of Sears and Watkins that allow the Papyrus based simmers to experience the tracks in other configurations. Next to the banking at Monza, the additional section of the Glen( called either the Boot or the Anvil) is one of the most requested track updates. dave henrie "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9a8M6.32890$[email hidden]...

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> And unfortunately, wasn't heartland scratched last season? > > > "Henry Hohn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Pt_L6.1366$[email hidden]... > > Unfortunately, Portland was scratched this season. > > > > > > "Scott Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:iRxL6.107$[email hidden]... > > BGN and WC only race at The Glen and Sears- the truck series (at least > last > > time I paid attention)races at Heartland Park and Portland. They used to > run > > Riverside before it closed, and maybe a couple more, but in the top 3 > series > > today those 4 are are it. > > > > > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack

for > N4 > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > > roadcourses. > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the onlyroadcourses

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> > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jeff Gordon didn't have any problems... Dave Henrie wrote:

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> They changed it because ONLY Mark Martin could figure out the carosel turn > in the middle. > dave henrie > "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > And why did they change it in the first place? > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > Bryon.... > > > > > > When's the last time you drove at Sears? > > > > > > They've changed the track again.....and the driver's love it now (at > least > > > the 8 drivers who tested there two weeks ago). I know, I was involved > with > > > the design of the new track configuration for Sears Point, known as the > > > Winston Cup Chute. It now has two very distinct right-hand, 90-degree > turns > > > connected by about a 1/4 mile short chute (straight). If you go to the > SPR > > > website, you can see pictures of the new WC Chute...and the Cup drivers > who > > > tested there two weeks ago. > > > > > > Now...when will Papyrus "patch" the track for N4? > > > > > > Tom > >

Sounds similar to my luck at Portland. With ICR1 I could run a sub 1 minute lap at Long Beach with the keyboard, but Portland forget. I even tried the slow set-up and turned the boost all the way down. No luck. ICR 2 is worse. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> Waaaaay back...back so far I can barely remember, I got spoiled on sim > driving by ICR1. the cars had TONS of downforce and mega brakes. I'd use a > joystick at Long Beach or Milwaukee and start in the back and lead the race > by 10 laps at 100%....I thought I was something...Then I went to > Portland...The square 90degree corners at Long Beach don't really teach > anything about apexing and setting up a 2nd turn with your exit from the > first... But Portland....I couldn't even keep up with the FREEKIN' > PACECAR!!! > I put ICR1 away..never got the hang of ICR2 at Portland either...if > anything it was worse...and the weight transfer bug meant you couldn't > balance the car after about 15 laps or so...Road America was a disaster for > me. It wasn't until the touring car patch for the TPTCC league came out for > N2 that I learned to take the 3rd and 4th corners at Portland as one LONG > arc. Of course I STILL suck at almost all sims...but at least I can > outrun the pacecar now... :> > dave henrie > (mr 3 wheeler) > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <bhXL6.2298$[email hidden]>, "Dave Henrie" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > You should see the proposed changes to Portland Int.Raceway to try and > > >attract Nascar races. They want to take the entire last complex of turns > > >and smooth it into one smooth sweeper. boooooring....If I remember, they > > >also had diagrams to cut off the first 4 or 5 turns called the festival > > >curves...this would make PIR just a glorified right turning long D-shaped > > >ovoid... > > > > Well, I don't like PIR *anyway*. So, I don't really give a f-... um, I > don't > > CARE...<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +25.37...F2 +151.26... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think there was a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > roadcourses. > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > series ever race on other road courses? > >

The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very short modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it. dave henrie "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HsIM6.4700$[email hidden]... > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think therewas

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> a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > -- > Philip D'Amato > [email hidden] > 00 ZX-6R > 00 S4 > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for

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> > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > roadcourses. > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > >

Yeah...and they turned that track into a right-turn oval. Philip D'Amato wrote:

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> They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think there was > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > -- > Philip D'Amato > [email hidden] > 00 ZX-6R > 00 S4 > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for N4 > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > roadcourses. > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > >

Regardless, it (the "Suzuka Thunder Special 100") was a road course. I dug up some more info: - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka) - it was run for 100 laps in 96 and either 100 or 125 laps in 97 (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn (I'm looking for a picture). - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98 (conflicting reports) Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN, CTS, and Winston West teams. I'm not sure what the entry criteria was. Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourth road course. Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found an odd reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called the Twin Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan. I'm led to believe that either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Season though because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98. Anyone have a Nascar Bible handy? -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l0KM6.17605$[email hidden]... > The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very short > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it. > dave henrie > "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HsIM6.4700$[email hidden]... > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think there > was > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > > > -- > > Philip D'Amato > > [email hidden] > > 00 ZX-6R > > 00 S4 > > > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack for > N4 > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > > roadcourses. > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only roadcourses > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > > > > > >

Motegi is a true oval (the only one in the World....) and CART races there in two days. Philip D'Amato wrote:

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> Regardless, it (the "Suzuka Thunder Special 100") was a road course. I dug > up some more info: > - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka) > - it was run for 100 laps in 96 and either 100 or 125 laps in 97 > (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn (I'm > looking for a picture). > - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98 > (conflicting reports) > Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN, CTS, and > Winston West teams. I'm not sure what the entry criteria was. > > Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourth road > course. Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found an odd > reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called the Twin > Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan. I'm led to believe that > either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Season though > because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98. Anyone have a Nascar Bible > handy? > > -- > Philip D'Amato > [email hidden] > 00 ZX-6R > 00 S4 > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l0KM6.17605$[email hidden]... > > The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very short > > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it. > > dave henrie > > "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:HsIM6.4700$[email hidden]... > > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think there > > was > > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > > > > > -- > > > Philip D'Amato > > > [email hidden] > > > 00 ZX-6R > > > 00 S4 > > > > > > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack > for > > N4 > > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > > > roadcourses. > > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only > roadcourses > > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

But the REASON it is called 'Twin' Ring Motegi is that there is also a road course that blends into and out of the oval. And no I don't recall Nascar ever racing there...perhaps a tire test or exhibition with half a dozen cars or some such thing. Also An Aussie V8 Driver ran at least one of the Suzuka races. (in an underpowered Winston West car) dave henrie "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Motegi is a true oval (the only one in the World....) and CART races therein > two days. > > Philip D'Amato wrote: > > > Regardless, it (the "Suzuka Thunder Special 100") was a road course. Idug > > up some more info: > > - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka) > > - it was run for 100 laps in 96 and either 100 or 125 laps in 97 > > (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn(I'm > > looking for a picture). > > - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98 > > (conflicting reports) > > Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN, CTS,and > > Winston West teams. I'm not sure what the entry criteria was. > > > > Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourthroad > > course. Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found anodd > > reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called theTwin > > Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan. I'm led to believethat > > either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Season though > > because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98. Anyone have a NascarBible

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> > handy? > > > > -- > > Philip D'Amato > > [email hidden] > > 00 ZX-6R > > 00 S4 > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:l0KM6.17605$[email hidden]... > > > The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very

short > > > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it. > > > dave henrie > > > "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:HsIM6.4700$[email hidden]... > > > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I thinkthere

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> > > was > > > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Philip D'Amato > > > > [email hidden] > > > > 00 ZX-6R > > > > 00 S4 > > > > > > > > > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion

pack > > for > > > N4 > > > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for meas > > > > > roadcourses. > > > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only > > roadcourses > > > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does theBusch

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> > > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Twin Ring Motegi held a NASCAR exhibition race in 1998. Mike Skinner won the event. It was run on the oval and not the road course sections. Suzuka held exhibition events in '96 and '97. They were won by Rusty Wallace and Jeff Gordon respectively. The races hosted drivers from WC, BGN,CTS, and international drivers. As for NASCAR road courses. The only road courses are Watkins Glen and Sears Point for the 2001 season in all of the 3 top divisions. Prior to 2001, NASCAR road courses have also included Portland, Oregon / Topeka, Kansas and Riverside, California. They even held NASCAR exhibition races at Virginia International Raceway ( www.virclub.com ) back in the day. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AO0N6.24106$[email hidden]...

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> But the REASON it is called 'Twin' Ring Motegi is that there is also a > road course that blends into and out of the oval. And no I don't recall > Nascar ever racing there...perhaps a tire test or exhibition with half a > dozen cars or some such thing. > Also An Aussie V8 Driver ran at least one of the Suzuka races. (in an > underpowered Winston West car) > dave henrie > "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Motegi is a true oval (the only one in the World....) and CART races

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> dug > > > up some more info: > > > - it was 1.4 miles (it was the "East Course" of Suzuka) > > > - it was run for 100 laps in 96 and either 100 or 125 laps in 97 > > > (conflicting reports), and the "kink" was more like a double "S" turn > (I'm > > > looking for a picture). > > > - it was run at least for the 96 and 97 seasons, and possibly 98 > > > (conflicting reports) > > > Also, it wasn't just Cup teams - the drivers were from WCS, BGN,

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> and > > > Winston West teams. I'm not sure what the entry criteria was. > > > > > > Separately, I'm still trying to confirm or deny if there was a fourth > road > > > course. Anyone else have this (probably false) memory, but I found an > odd > > > reference to a 98 season demo event in Japan (after Suzuka) called the > Twin > > > Ring Motegi held in, you guessed it, Motegi, Japan. I'm led to

believe > that > > > either or both Suzuka and Motegi were cancelled for the 98 Seasonthough

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> > > because I don't recall seeing even Suzuka in 98. Anyone have a Nascar > Bible > > > handy? > > > > > > -- > > > Philip D'Amato > > > [email hidden] > > > 00 ZX-6R > > > 00 S4 > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:l0KM6.17605$[email hidden]... > > > > The Suzuka exhibition ran for two or three years, and used a very > short > > > > modifed course...hardly more than an oval with a kink in it. > > > > dave henrie > > > > "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:HsIM6.4700$[email hidden]... > > > > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think > there > > > > was > > > > > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that

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> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Philip D'Amato > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > 00 ZX-6R > > > > > 00 S4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion > pack > > > for > > > > N4 > > > > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for

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> as > > > > > > roadcourses. > > > > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the only > > > roadcourses > > > > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the > Busch > > > > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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No, they didn't run Twin Ring Motegi clockwise. The race was a 250 lap event ran in the NASCAR traditonal counter-clockwise fashion. "Bryon Lape" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah...and they turned that track into a right-turn oval. > > Philip D'Amato wrote: > > > They ran non-points exhibition events at Suzuka in Japan. I think therewas

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> > a fourth track (exhibition as well), but I might be making that up. > > > > -- > > Philip D'Amato > > [email hidden] > > 00 ZX-6R > > 00 S4 > > > > "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:BQsL6.792$[email hidden]... > > > I was thinking that if Papyrus comes up with a track expansion pack

for N4 > > > it might only contain more ovals, which are not as much fun for me as > > > roadcourses. > > > I was wondering if Watkins Glen and Sears Point are the onlyroadcourses > > > that Nascar ever has raced on during any season ? Also, does the Busch > > > series ever race on other road courses? > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----