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I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple PING commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of a program on my system seem to be the trouble. I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain file keeps popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. and check out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the ctrl-alt-delete does. dave henrie

Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000. Thanks, Doug D Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZgsI6.104453$[email hidden]...

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> I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has > really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have > traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple PING > commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really > getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of a

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> on my system seem to be the trouble. > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain file keeps > popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed > about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. and check > out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me > about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the > ctrl-alt-delete does. > dave henrie > >

http://www.blehq.org/ Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. Gandolf1 wrote... > Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000. > Thanks, Doug D > <snip>

where do you get a "free" copy of zone alarm ? "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]...

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> http://www.blehq.org/ > > Jan. > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > Gandolf1 wrote... > > Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000. > > Thanks, Doug D > > <snip> > > >

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:56vI6.2657$[email hidden]... > where do you get a "free" copy of zone alarm ? > http://www.zonealarm.com/ See the "FREE Download" link on the left-hand side of the page. Ian Ian Riches Bedford, UK

fair enough, but is this free version the full one or a "crippled" ? "Ian Riches" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: 9ctv3m$fkoq8$[email hidden]...

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> "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:56vI6.2657$[email hidden]... > > where do you get a "free" copy of zone alarm ? > > > > http://www.zonealarm.com/ > > See the "FREE Download" link on the left-hand side of the page. > > Ian > > Ian Riches > Bedford, UK > > >

ok, I've seen ,it I'd like to get the PRO version I'll look around and pot a link if I find it

On Fri, 04 May 2001 07:58:40 GMT, "Gandolf1" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000. You can view all tasks running with the System Information tool that comes with Windows. -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Ok folks need help here!! What is so special about "Process Viewer 2000" over "System Information" tool? As "Nos v7" has just stated! Tia.. Thom_j. "Nos v7.0000001" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Fri, 04 May 2001 07:58:40 GMT, "Gandolf1" <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000. | | You can view all tasks running with the System Information tool that | comes with Windows. | -- | eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format | http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

On Fri, 04 May 2001 10:27:17 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >ok, I've seen ,it I'd like to get the PRO version > >I'll look around and pot a link if I find it You better not post url's to warez versions here if that's what you're saying :) Andre

http://www.blehq.org/pv2k.htm that link is for the process viewer http://www.zonelabs.com/ is for the free zone alarm.. dave henrie "Gandolf1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QitI6.15684$[email hidden]... > Dave, were can I find Process Viewer 2000.

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZgsI6.104453$[email hidden]...

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> I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has > really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have > traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple PING > commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really > getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of a

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> on my system seem to be the trouble. > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain file keeps > popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed > about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. and check > out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me > about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the > ctrl-alt-delete does. > dave henrie >

OR, you could just shut down your connection when not using it! "Allways on".... MY ASS! a standard a/b switch works GREAT!

On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the >complications with online racing/quaking etc. You might want to try Tiny Firewall, it's as easy to use as ZA but allows for better configuration. I had not problems to run online games trough it. http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php Jan

Standard serial/parallel switch box for a cable connector? How is this done since you must use a coax connector to the modem & an RJ-45 to the computer? I dont follow? Thom_j. "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TwyI6.1611$[email hidden]... <snipped> | OR, you could just shut down your connection when not using it! | "Allways on".... MY ASS! | a standard a/b switch works GREAT!

Ahh Yes!! Are we per chance looking for the freebee warez stuff? 4-Shame!! Things that make you say "Ahhmmmm?" <G> A Mum's the Word Thom_j. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Fri, 04 May 2001 10:27:17 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >ok, I've seen ,it I'd like to get the PRO version | > | >I'll look around and pot a link if I find it | | You better not post url's to warez versions here if that's what you're | saying :) | | Andre |

No warez please! "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9uvI6.2669$[email hidden]... > ok, I've seen ,it I'd like to get the PRO version > > I'll look around and pot a link if I find it > >

>"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote > ok, I've seen ,it I'd like to get the PRO version A single customer doesn't really need anything more then the normal free version, imho. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TwyI6.1611$[email hidden]... > OR, you could just shut down your connection when not using it! > "Allways on".... MY ASS! > a standard a/b switch works GREAT! Useless fact: RJ45 plugs are built to be to guaranteed to work once. Anyway, I always have stuff downloading or ICQ running when I'm not in. I guess I've been lucky but I've had 2 static IP addresses for nearly 2 years now, they has been on almost continously and have had no problems at all. Scott

Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VAzI6.47019$[email hidden]... > > Standard serial/parallel switch box for a cable connector? How is this > done since you must use a coax connector to the modem & an RJ-45 > to the computer? I dont follow? Thom_j. > > Its a coax A/B switch. I have my TV on A and my cable modem on B switch to A = TV but no internet switch to B = Internet, but no TV My "always on" internet connection is "always on" for less that an hour each day, and I switch it off after each use. This was done so I could watch cable in the computer room, not for security. But when the switch is on A its got better security than ANY firewall. hehehe!!

Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VAzI6.47019$[email hidden]... > > Standard serial/parallel switch box for a cable connector? How is this > done since you must use a coax connector to the modem & an RJ-45 > to the computer? I dont follow? Thom_j. > >Ahhh, i think i understand your question better. The switch is BEFORE the cable modem, not between it and the computer!! ;-)

See I never knew they had coax a/b switches for cable? Kewl beans! I learn something everyday!! <g> Now I just might do this? Btw: I've got a cable'tv & my internet up here too but they gave me to feeds? I have no idea why but this is the way @home does it around here! Also! Thanx for the info rik..... Cheers Thom_j. "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3iCI6.2323$[email hidden]...

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| | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:VAzI6.47019$[email hidden]... | > | > Standard serial/parallel switch box for a cable connector? How is this | > done since you must use a coax connector to the modem & an RJ-45 | > to the computer? I dont follow? Thom_j. | > | > | | Its a coax A/B switch. I have my TV on A and my cable modem on B | switch to A = TV but no internet | switch to B = Internet, but no TV | My "always on" internet connection is "always on" for less that an hour

each | day, and I switch it off after each use. This was done so I could watch | cable in the computer room, not for security. But when the switch is on A | its got better security than ANY firewall. hehehe!! | |

No it would have been ok eitherway rik.. I understand now!!...lol "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YjCI6.2324$[email hidden]...

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| | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:VAzI6.47019$[email hidden]... | > | > Standard serial/parallel switch box for a cable connector? How is this | > done since you must use a coax connector to the modem & an RJ-45 | > to the computer? I dont follow? Thom_j. | > | > | Ahhh, i think i understand your question better. | The switch is BEFORE the cable modem, not between it and the computer!!

;-) | |

Any chance you could setup your news reader so that it doesn't split up the threads? Don't ask me how, because I'm using a "real one", but it must be possible because other Outlook users don't do the same. Thanks, Jan

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> On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >> I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the >> complications with online racing/quaking etc. > > > You might want to try Tiny Firewall, it's as easy to use as ZA but > allows for better configuration. I had not problems to run online > games trough it. http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php

I also use Tiny and I'm very pleased with it. /Jens

I'm on from 5pm til 1am most nights, my son is on via my computer from 11pm to 7am...heheh almost ALWAYS on.. dave henrie > > > OR, you could just shut down your connection when not using it! > "Allways on".... MY ASS! > a standard a/b switch works GREAT! > >

On Fri, 04 May 2001 21:08:15 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote: >Any chance you could setup your news reader so that it doesn't split >up the threads? Don't ask me how, because I'm using a "real one", but >it must be possible because other Outlook users don't do the same. I think he does it on his own. Then again, I use Free Agent so I can't really be sure (never used OE) -- Andy Carabino to email, remove the 'fat'

Dave, are you running cable or dsl? (I recently switched from cable to DSL and got much better latency results for racing online in N4). Cable is shared and bogs down more than DSL, which is dedicated bandwidth. I have a Linksys Cable/DSL router which allows you to setup a private LAN behind an NAT (network address translation) firewall. About the only thing you'd have to worry about would be trojans "phoning home" but for the most part, it cuts out a bunch of trouble. it works great for N4 online as well, but I haven't tried hosting any races or anything. The router does support 1 PC in what they call the "DMZ" but basically it's a 2nd internet ip address that is NOT behind the NAT. I've used black ice for a LONG time and while it's still installed on my PC, it hasn't uttered a peep since the DSL arrangement was setup. You don't really even need this stuff with NAT, but I'm paranoid :) Email me if you have any technical questions and I'll help you out. Zone Alarm is ok, but Black Ice has 4 settings - trusting, cautious, nervous and paranoid - you don't concern yourself with ports and stuff. It also shuts down trojans phoning home.... On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the >complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has >really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have >traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple PING >commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really >getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of a program >on my system seem to be the trouble. > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain file keeps >popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed >about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. and check >out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me >about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the >ctrl-alt-delete does. >dave henrie >

I've been using Black Ice since Christmas with an @home cable modem and I get at least a 1/2 dozen hits a day. I don't race online so I've got it set to paranoid and haven't been hacked yet! Best $30 I've spent for the PC!!! Jay J "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dave, are you running cable or dsl? (I recently switched from cable to > DSL and got much better latency results for racing online in N4). > Cable is shared and bogs down more than DSL, which is dedicated > bandwidth. > > I have a Linksys Cable/DSL router which allows you to setup a private > LAN behind an NAT (network address translation) firewall. About the > only thing you'd have to worry about would be trojans "phoning home" > but for the most part, it cuts out a bunch of trouble. it works great > for N4 online as well, but I haven't tried hosting any races or > anything. The router does support 1 PC in what they call the "DMZ" > but basically it's a 2nd internet ip address that is NOT behind the > NAT. > > I've used black ice for a LONG time and while it's still installed on > my PC, it hasn't uttered a peep since the DSL arrangement was setup. > You don't really even need this stuff with NAT, but I'm paranoid :) > > Email me if you have any technical questions and I'll help you out. > Zone Alarm is ok, but Black Ice has 4 settings - trusting, cautious, > nervous and paranoid - you don't concern yourself with ports and > stuff. It also shuts down trojans phoning home.... > > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has > >really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have > >traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple

PING > >commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. > > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really > >getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of aprogram > >on my system seem to be the trouble. > > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain filekeeps > >popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe > > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed > >about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... > > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. andcheck > >out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me > >about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the > >ctrl-alt-delete does. > >dave henrie > > >

On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the >complications with online racing/quaking etc. If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your type of comprimised box! I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the first place.. The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! "Shortfork" All Aviation FlightLine OnLine http://aafo.com

On Fri, 04 May 2001 13:54:59 GMT, "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote: >OR, you could just shut down your connection when not using it! >"Allways on".... MY ASS! >a standard a/b switch works GREAT! On or off, when you are on a DSL connection and not passing data, you are not using any system resources. The connection to your provider is live, whether or not your computer is on. IMHO, put a firewall, like Zone Labs Zone Alarm on your system and leave the system running all the time. There is a brief period on boot when you are unprotected by your firewall.. better to reduce the exposure and boot as infrequently as possible.. Leaving your DSL connection running is not a bad idea at all and in fact, is probably a good idea.. PROVIDING you are protected by a firewall... and everyone needs to be protected these days. I know of some DSL providers who are going to insist their clients use a firewall... and this almost should be mandated... or included in all operating systems. We all have enjoyed a very free envrionment on the net for years.. but trust me, as an internet provider, I can tell you that hacks are getting more and more frequent and are forcing some providers out of business.. It's a constant battle and unprotected DSL "always on" connections are a large part of the current wave of attacks against web servers... "Shortfork" All Aviation FlightLine OnLine http://aafo.com

I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately, it runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before. There were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewing them with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too much grief for online gaming, zone alarm? -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your > type of comprimised box! > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you > should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the > first place.. > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! > "Shortfork" > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine > http://aafo.com

On Sat, 05 May 2001 11:44:50 GMT, George Lewis <[email hidden]> wrote: >DSL, which is dedicated bandwidth. Not quite true.. DSL is also shared.. You have only "so much" bandwidth to work with and you will see slowdowns as more users are online.. *where* the bottleneck will be will depend on your provider but trust me, as a long time DSL user.. more users online and using the system.. means more lag and less data flow.. "Shortfork" All Aviation FlightLine OnLine http://aafo.com

After reading this thread I downloaded Tiny Personal Firewall last night. It has been working well so far. I have raced online with GPL and N4 today for example. You can download it here: http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php An interesting site to visit once you have installed your firewall is here: http://grc.com/default.htm Run Shields Up to see if you are vulnerable to hacking. Also the comments on personal firewalls that Steve Gibson makes are very interesting. He recommends using either Zone Alarm or Tiny Personal Firewall. I have tried using Zone Alarm with GPL before but without success. As I said above, the Tiny firewall works fine. Cheers Phil "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... > I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately, it > runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C > drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before.There > were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewingthem

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> with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have > visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am > having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too much > grief for online gaming, zone alarm? > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. > > > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your > > type of comprimised box! > > > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the > > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you > > should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers > > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... > > > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! > > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for > > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running > > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and > > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the > > first place.. > > > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and > > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... > > > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! > > > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! > > "Shortfork" > > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine > > http://aafo.com > >

Ok all I am surely convinced that a "FireWall" is extremely important to use for me being a cable user. Now I need help Net'Gurus! Since I run N4 via OpenGL I can not!! Alt-Tab when ZoneAlarm asks if this IP is ok to use {not a quote via ZA....lol} So how can I give the aok on this via OpenGL and No! I will Not change out of OpenGl via N4 is kicks butt for me & I love using it!! Plus I have 'Zone Alarm Pro' but is 'Tiny Personal Firewall' be better? All Help Will Be Appreciated! Also "Jan Kohl" what do you think? Tia.... Thom_j. P.S. "Phil Lee" How'd you get N4 & GPL via Tiny Personal Firewall? Was it easy and please read the above Phil..Tia Again.. "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vaYI6.1512$[email hidden]... | After reading this thread I downloaded Tiny Personal Firewall last night. | It has been working well so far. I have raced online with GPL and N4today | for example. You can download it here: | | http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php | | An interesting site to visit once you have installed your firewall ishere: | | http://grc.com/default.htm | | Run Shields Up to see if you are vulnerable to hacking. Also the comments | on personal firewalls that Steve Gibson makes are very interesting. He | recommends using either Zone Alarm or Tiny Personal Firewall. I havetried | using Zone Alarm with GPL before but without success. As I said above,the

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| Tiny firewall works fine. | | Cheers | | Phil | | | | "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... | > I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately,

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| > runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C | > drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before. | There | > were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewing | them | > with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have | > visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am | > having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. | > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too

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| > grief for online gaming, zone alarm? | > | > -- | > Don Burnette | > D Burnette in N4 | > | > Some people do nothing wrong. | > The problem is, they do nothing. | > And THAT is wrong. | > | > ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:[email hidden]... | > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> | > > wrote: | > > | > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of

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| > > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. | > > | > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your | > > type of comprimised box! | > > | > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the | > > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you | > > should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers | > > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... | > > | > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! | > > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for | > > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running | > > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and | > > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the | > > first place.. | > > | > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and | > > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... | > > | > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! | > > | > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! | > > "Shortfork" | > > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine | > > http://aafo.com | > | > | |

agreed Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The standard (free and legal) version of ZA is an excellent firewall > and does everything you should need. I have been using it for a long > time and had great results.

Zonealarm free version is fine Don Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too much > grief for online gaming, zone alarm?

For running processes? No, not with System Information tool. Only NT has this type of utility built into the O.S. "Nos v7.0000001" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > You can view all tasks running with the System Information tool that > comes with Windows. > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Start - Programs - Accessoires - System Tools - System Information - Software Environment - Running Tasks / 16-bit Modules Loaded / 32-bit Modules Loaded. (Windows 98 First Edition) "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> For running processes? No, not with System Information tool. Only NT has > this type of utility built into the O.S. > > "Nos v7.0000001" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > You can view all tasks running with the System Information tool that > > comes with Windows. > > -- > > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip > >

On Sat, 5 May 2001 23:55:14 -0700, "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote: >For running processes? No, not with System Information tool. Only NT has >this type of utility built into the O.S. Yes, for running processes. Go to system tools/system information/ Now select software environment, select running tasks, 16bit modules loaded and 32bit modules loaded. See? -- eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Just because it gets "hits" doesn't exactly mean you're being hacked... alot of times someone is just sniffing ports for a range of IP numbers (or with Cable Modems, possibly ethernet packets) Black Ice basically says "nobody's home" and the sniffer goes on it's merry way, but let's you know someone came knocking... the key here is they didn't find anything, didn't know anything was there, and therefore never bothered to try to hack anything. hope that helps somewhat... On Sat, 05 May 2001 14:20:40 GMT, "Jay J" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've been using Black Ice since Christmas with an @home cable modem and I >get at least a 1/2 dozen hits a day. I don't race online so I've got it set >to paranoid and haven't been hacked yet! > >Best $30 I've spent for the PC!!! > >Jay J > >"George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Dave, are you running cable or dsl? (I recently switched from cable to >> DSL and got much better latency results for racing online in N4). >> Cable is shared and bogs down more than DSL, which is dedicated >> bandwidth. >> >> I have a Linksys Cable/DSL router which allows you to setup a private >> LAN behind an NAT (network address translation) firewall. About the >> only thing you'd have to worry about would be trojans "phoning home" >> but for the most part, it cuts out a bunch of trouble. it works great >> for N4 online as well, but I haven't tried hosting any races or >> anything. The router does support 1 PC in what they call the "DMZ" >> but basically it's a 2nd internet ip address that is NOT behind the >> NAT. >> >> I've used black ice for a LONG time and while it's still installed on >> my PC, it hasn't uttered a peep since the DSL arrangement was setup. >> You don't really even need this stuff with NAT, but I'm paranoid :) >> >> Email me if you have any technical questions and I'll help you out. >> Zone Alarm is ok, but Black Ice has 4 settings - trusting, cautious, >> nervous and paranoid - you don't concern yourself with ports and >> stuff. It also shuts down trojans phoning home.... >> >> >> On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the >> >complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has >> >really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have >> >traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple >PING >> >commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. >> > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really >> >getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of a >program >> >on my system seem to be the trouble. >> > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain file >keeps >> >popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe >> > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed >> >about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... >> > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. and >check >> >out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me >> >about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the >> >ctrl-alt-delete does. >> >dave henrie >> > >> >

Compared to cable, it's great! Kinda like a hub versus a switch... it's a shared circuit versus a dedicated circuit. That doesn't mean you'll get it all, all the time depending on the bottleneck from where you're coming from, but it's alot more efficient. sorry, I'm trying to be pretty basic as this is kinda OT... :) On Sat, 05 May 2001 18:40:42 GMT, [email hidden] ("Shortfork") wrote:

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>On Sat, 05 May 2001 11:44:50 GMT, George Lewis ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>DSL, which is dedicated bandwidth. > >Not quite true.. DSL is also shared.. You have only "so much" >bandwidth to work with and you will see slowdowns as more users are >online.. *where* the bottleneck will be will depend on your provider >but trust me, as a long time DSL user.. more users online and using >the system.. means more lag and less data flow.. > > >"Shortfork" >All Aviation FlightLine OnLine >http://aafo.com

Zone Alarm will work - Black Ice has 4 simple settings. You just leave it on paranoid and when you go to race, drop it down to the next setting... if you try to do something and it won't work, simply change the setting to the next lower level. On Sat, 05 May 2001 18:40:21 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately, it >runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C >drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before. There >were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewing them >with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have >visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am >having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. >What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too much >grief for online gaming, zone alarm?

Or Black Ice... set it to the setting you need (only 4 to choose from) and forget about it. On Sat, 05 May 2001 19:35:40 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ok all I am surely convinced that a "FireWall" is extremely important to >use for me being a cable user. Now I need help Net'Gurus! Since I run >N4 via OpenGL I can not!! Alt-Tab when ZoneAlarm asks if this IP is >ok to use {not a quote via ZA....lol} So how can I give the aok on this >via OpenGL and No! I will Not change out of OpenGl via N4 is kicks >butt for me & I love using it!! >Plus I have 'Zone Alarm Pro' but is 'Tiny Personal Firewall' be better? >All Help Will Be Appreciated! Also "Jan Kohl" what do you think? >Tia.... Thom_j. >P.S. "Phil Lee" How'd you get N4 & GPL via Tiny Personal Firewall? >Was it easy and please read the above Phil..Tia Again.. > >"Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:vaYI6.1512$[email hidden]... >| After reading this thread I downloaded Tiny Personal Firewall last night. >| It has been working well so far. I have raced online with GPL and N4 >today >| for example. You can download it here: >| >| http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php >| >| An interesting site to visit once you have installed your firewall is >here: >| >| http://grc.com/default.htm >| >| Run Shields Up to see if you are vulnerable to hacking. Also the comments >| on personal firewalls that Steve Gibson makes are very interesting. He >| recommends using either Zone Alarm or Tiny Personal Firewall. I have >tried >| using Zone Alarm with GPL before but without success. As I said above, >the >| Tiny firewall works fine. >| >| Cheers >| >| Phil >| >| >| >| "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... >| > I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately, >it >| > runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C >| > drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before. >| There >| > were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewing >| them >| > with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have >| > visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am >| > having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. >| > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too >much >| > grief for online gaming, zone alarm? >| > >| > -- >| > Don Burnette >| > D Burnette in N4 >| > >| > Some people do nothing wrong. >| > The problem is, they do nothing. >| > And THAT is wrong. >| > >| > ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >| > news:[email hidden]... >| > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> >| > > wrote: >| > > >| > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of >the >| > > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. >| > > >| > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your >| > > type of comprimised box! >| > > >| > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the >| > > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you >| > > should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers >| > > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... >| > > >| > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! >| > > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for >| > > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running >| > > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and >| > > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the >| > > first place.. >| > > >| > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and >| > > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... >| > > >| > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! >| > > >| > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! >| > > "Shortfork" >| > > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine >| > > http://aafo.com >| > >| > >| >| >

Had Black Ice before George & couldnt stand it but ZA Pro' works fine for me! Now with all the great info I got from Jan Kohl I'm now running it again with N4, GPL, SBK2001, MM2, Q3A and more it works fine.. Thanx Again Jan K.. Thom_j. "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| Or Black Ice... set it to the setting you need (only 4 to choose from) | and forget about it. | | On Sat, 05 May 2001 19:35:40 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Ok all I am surely convinced that a "FireWall" is extremely important to | >use for me being a cable user. Now I need help Net'Gurus! Since I run | >N4 via OpenGL I can not!! Alt-Tab when ZoneAlarm asks if this IP is | >ok to use {not a quote via ZA....lol} So how can I give the aok on this | >via OpenGL and No! I will Not change out of OpenGl via N4 is kicks | >butt for me & I love using it!! | >Plus I have 'Zone Alarm Pro' but is 'Tiny Personal Firewall' be better? | >All Help Will Be Appreciated! Also "Jan Kohl" what do you think? | >Tia.... Thom_j. | >P.S. "Phil Lee" How'd you get N4 & GPL via Tiny Personal Firewall? | >Was it easy and please read the above Phil..Tia Again.. | > | >"Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >news:vaYI6.1512$[email hidden]... | >| After reading this thread I downloaded Tiny Personal Firewall last

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| >| It has been working well so far. I have raced online with GPL and N4 | >today | >| for example. You can download it here: | >| | >| http://www.tinysoftware.com/pwall.php | >| | >| An interesting site to visit once you have installed your firewall is | >here: | >| | >| http://grc.com/default.htm | >| | >| Run Shields Up to see if you are vulnerable to hacking. Also the

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| >| on personal firewalls that Steve Gibson makes are very interesting. He | >| recommends using either Zone Alarm or Tiny Personal Firewall. I have | >tried | >| using Zone Alarm with GPL before but without success. As I said above, | >the | >| Tiny firewall works fine. | >| | >| Cheers | >| | >| Phil | >| | >| | >| | >| "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >| news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... | >| > I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow

lately, | >it | >| > runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring myC | >| > drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before. | >| There | >| > were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I startedviewing | >| them | >| > with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups Ihave | >| > visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble Iam

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| >| > having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. | >| > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too | >much | >| > grief for online gaming, zone alarm? | >| > | >| > -- | >| > Don Burnette | >| > D Burnette in N4 | >| > | >| > Some people do nothing wrong. | >| > The problem is, they do nothing. | >| > And THAT is wrong. | >| > | >| > ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | >| > news:[email hidden]... | >| > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> | >| > > wrote: | >| > > | >| > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of | >the | >| > > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. | >| > > | >| > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly

your | >| > > type of comprimised box! | >| > > | >| > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the | >| > > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you | >| > > should be able to add any ip address of any othercomputer/computers | >| > > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... | >| > > | >| > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the netunprotected! | >| > > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for | >| > > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running | >| > > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding themand | >| > > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the | >| > > first place.. | >| > > | >| > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modemsand

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| >| > > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... | >| > > | >| > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! | >| > > | >| > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! | >| > > "Shortfork" | >| > > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine | >| > > http://aafo.com | >| > | >| > | >| | >| | > |

On Sun, 06 May 2001 12:06:48 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now with all the great info I got from Jan Kohl I'm now >running it again with N4, GPL, SBK2001, MM2, Q3A and more it >works fine.. Thanx Again Jan K.. Thom_j. Does it have to be Jan K. to suggest that you cut down your overquoting, or will another Jan do as well? ;-) Thanks, Jan

Wow, learn something new everyday! Thanks for pointing that out, guys! "Nos v7.0000001" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 5 May 2001 23:55:14 -0700, "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >For running processes? No, not with System Information tool. Only NT has > >this type of utility built into the O.S. > > Yes, for running processes. Go to system tools/system information/ > Now select software environment, select running tasks, 16bit modules > loaded and 32bit modules loaded. See? > -- > eFalcon keyboard chart in PDF format > http://storm.prohosting.com/~nos146/ef4_keys.zip

Ok what is your point?? Hopefully it isnt a wise -A- one?? "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Sun, 06 May 2001 12:06:48 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Now with all the great info I got from Jan Kohl I'm now | >running it again with N4, GPL, SBK2001, MM2, Q3A and more it | >works fine.. Thanx Again Jan K.. Thom_j. | | Does it have to be Jan K. to suggest that you cut down your | overquoting, or will another Jan do as well? ;-) | | | Thanks, Jan

On Mon, 07 May 2001 05:37:46 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ok what is your point?? Hopefully it isnt a wise -A- one?? The point is that with *a little* effort on your side you would make it *a lot* easier for others to follow the discussion. In case you really didn't get it: please quote only the part(s) of the previous message that you are actually replying to. It isn't so hard to select the unnecessary text areas and hit the Delete button, is it? Thanks again, Jan

DSL is shared too, just at different points. For many, DSL is the connection from hell. It's not perfect for everyone :) -Larry "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dave, are you running cable or dsl? (I recently switched from cable to > DSL and got much better latency results for racing online in N4). > Cable is shared and bogs down more than DSL, which is dedicated > bandwidth. > > I have a Linksys Cable/DSL router which allows you to setup a private > LAN behind an NAT (network address translation) firewall. About the > only thing you'd have to worry about would be trojans "phoning home" > but for the most part, it cuts out a bunch of trouble. it works great > for N4 online as well, but I haven't tried hosting any races or > anything. The router does support 1 PC in what they call the "DMZ" > but basically it's a 2nd internet ip address that is NOT behind the > NAT. > > I've used black ice for a LONG time and while it's still installed on > my PC, it hasn't uttered a peep since the DSL arrangement was setup. > You don't really even need this stuff with NAT, but I'm paranoid :) > > Email me if you have any technical questions and I'll help you out. > Zone Alarm is ok, but Black Ice has 4 settings - trusting, cautious, > nervous and paranoid - you don't concern yourself with ports and > stuff. It also shuts down trojans phoning home.... > > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. But lately my computer has > >really bogged down, I finally caved in and installed Zone Alarm. I have > >traced a user who has been using my @home connection to send mulitple

PING > >commands to a server. I'm assuming a DNS attack. > > My computer had been running very slow...I thought F1cs2k was really > >getting doggy..almost uninstalled it...but the 30 or so copies of aprogram > >on my system seem to be the trouble. > > I also think he sicked a virus on my system because a certain filekeeps > >popping up and replicating itself. VXSD.exe > > Once ZA was up I had 5 alerts in just a few minutes. The ZA log showed > >about two pages of ping commands...Hopefully I've shut that down.... > > Cable and DSL users....should consider some sort of firewall. andcheck > >out a program called Process Viewer 2000, Jan Kohl of the uspits told me > >about that one. It shows lots more programs running than what the > >ctrl-alt-delete does. > >dave henrie > > >

You had a crash with OE open and running. On restart, ScanDisk ran. You chose the option to 'save' the missing data links that it found. Those are the .chk files. Most often occurs with database programs. OE stores it's data just like a database program. If you don't need the data in a .chk file, it can be deleted. I've seen hundreds of these things before... Larry "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pOXI6.61488$[email hidden]... > I may have a problem myself. Outlook Express has been very slow lately, it > runs fine one minute and the next it crawls. I was just exploring my C > drive, and found all the file.chk folders that I had not seen before.There > were like 19 of these things, each about 4kb in size. I started viewingthem

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> with notepad, and they appear to be transcripts from newsgroups I have > visited in the past, very strange. Don't know if it's the trouble I am > having with OE that is generating these file.chk folders or what. > What do you guys recommend for a good firewall that doesn't cause too much > grief for online gaming, zone alarm? > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > ""Shortfork"" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 04 May 2001 06:48:25 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > > I had avoided firewalls like Black Ice and Zone Alarm because of the > > >complications with online racing/quaking etc. > > > > If you only knew! Most attacks on web servers come from exactly your > > type of comprimised box! > > > > I do not know about Black Ice but Zone Alarm will allow you in the > > security settings to add "local computers" for online gaming, you > > should be able to add any ip address of any other computer/computers > > you are working with and they will bypass the firewall... > > > > It is PURE sucide to leave ANY computer hooked to the net unprotected! > > Even dialup accounts are hit constantly by people looking for > > exploitable boxes. If you only knew how many programs are running > > around on the net, automatically looking for boxes.. finding them and > > then emailing their findings to the perp who sent them out in the > > first place.. > > > > The net is VERY insecure and much of this is due to cable modems and > > dsl connected boxes which sit there unprotected... > > > > Get a firewall. use it like your life depended on it! > > > > Your life may not.. but the health of the Internet does!!!!! > > "Shortfork" > > All Aviation FlightLine OnLine > > http://aafo.com > >

Sometimes I forget to 'Delete' & sometimes I dont. Now! Would you please do more "NG Net-Copping" and look at "How Many" also do re-posts on here or any other newsgroup who *dont* Delete Ever!!? I have **no idea** why you have singled me out but if you are going after me you better tell about a 100 others on here too! Get it? Good! "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Mon, 07 May 2001 05:37:46 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >Ok what is your point?? Hopefully it isnt a wise -A- one?? | | The point is that with *a little* effort on your side you would make | it *a lot* easier for others to follow the discussion. | In case you really didn't get it: please quote only the part(s) of the | previous message that you are actually replying to. It isn't so hard | to select the unnecessary text areas and hit the Delete button, is it? | | | Thanks again, Jan

Thanks for the info Larry, I new I had seen .chk files before and was trying to remember what generated them, now it makes sense. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:I5AJ6.20838$[email hidden]... > You had a crash with OE open and running. On restart, ScanDisk ran. You > chose the option to 'save' the missing data links that it found. > > Those are the .chk files. Most often occurs with database programs. OE > stores it's data just like a database program. > > If you don't need the data in a .chk file, it can be deleted. > > I've seen hundreds of these things before... > > Larry >

On Mon, 07 May 2001 18:11:30 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have **no idea** why you have singled me out but if you are going >after me you better tell about a 100 others on here too! Because your excessive overquoting in this thread made for an perfect example. Thanks for you time, Jan

Well listen up then Mr Elites Jan. Your overly zealous condescending tone speaks for istelf! If you think you have the arrogance to tell me what to do or not to do, you can forget it! If you dont like my posts or reposts block me or filter me out! {whatever the case may be} I am too old for such juvenille attitudes as yours & you add nothing to my life! I have seen/read your type for many'many years in the usenet groups. So if you dont like it! Dont read it!! Do You Get It Now? Good!! "Jan Loebzien" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| On Mon, 07 May 2001 18:11:30 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> | wrote: | | >I have **no idea** why you have singled me out but if you are going | >after me you better tell about a 100 others on here too! | | Because your excessive overquoting in this thread made for an perfect | example. | | Thanks for you time, Jan

On Tue, 08 May 2001 19:26:12 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am too old for such juvenille attitudes as yours & you add nothing to my >life! No reason to lose your temper. What's the problem in accepting a little advice? If you don't want to follow it then that's your free decision, but you don't have to get mad at me. It's not as if I would keep bugging you over and over, as I could for instance with that other issue I asked you about - your apparently misconfigured news agent splitting up the threads as it just did with this one. Oh sorry, now I did bug you again ... Anyway, thanks again for your attention, Jan

On Tue, 08 May 2001 19:26:12 GMT, "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am too old for such juvenille attitudes as yours & you add nothing to my >life! No reason to lose your temper. What's the problem in accepting a little advice? If you don't want to follow it then that's your free decision, but you don't have to get mad at me. Anyway, thanks again for your attention, Jan

On Thu, 10 May 2001 18:33:40 +1000, "Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I preferred the other version... Which one was that? Jan

On Thu, 10 May 2001 18:33:40 +1000, "Ben Coleman" >I preferred the other version... Which one was that? Jan