Papyrus Vs Ubi and the rest of the world

Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out the following : Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good as GPL Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is just arcade. In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there soon, for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think we can agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI among others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch, quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch. So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without being too prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE.

Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either. You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea how much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done. A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than another company, but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NH is a perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix?? "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point outthe > following : > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as goodas > GPL > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do isjust > arcade. > > In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be theresoon, > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think wecan > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI among > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch, > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch. > > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without beingtoo > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE. > > > >

Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is working hard completing their CART sim. (hee hee hee...) "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9bkg6l$1bju$[email hidden]...

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> Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either. > > You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea how > much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done. > > A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than another company, > but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NH is

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> perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix?? > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out > the > > following : > > > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good > as > > GPL > > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is > just > > arcade. > > > > In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been > > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there > soon, > > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think we > can > > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI

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> > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has > > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch, > > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch. > > > > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without being > too > > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE. > > > > > > > > > >

Heh.. As much as I would like to see a CART Sim by Papy, I sure hope that they project they are working on now is a CTS/BGN addon for N4 "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QCjD6.3906$[email hidden]...

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> Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is > working hard completing their CART sim. > > (hee hee hee...) > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9bkg6l$1bju$[email hidden]... > > Basing a company on how quick a patch comes out is not correct either. > > > > You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.. you have no idea

how > > much time the company is spending trying to get the patch done. > > > > A company can come out with a patch 2 months faster than anothercompany, > > but if the patch does not fix much or just plain sucks.. then what? NHis

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> a > > perfect example of this.. what really did the first patch fix?? > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > > > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point

out > > the > > > following : > > > > > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is asgood

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been > > > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there > > soon, > > > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i thinkwe > > can > > > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI > among > > > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI softhas > > > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch, > > > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch. > > > > > > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, withoutbeing

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> > too > > > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point outthe > following : > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as goodas > GPL > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do isjust > arcade. You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game. David G Fisher

> Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do isjust > arcade. >Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try them! Iain

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9bkhsn$ekq$[email hidden]... > Heh.. > > As much as I would like to see a CART Sim by Papy, I sure hope that they > project they are working on now is a CTS/BGN addon for N4 Based on past experience I'm sure you'll be pleased. We'll see a couple more variations of N4 with add-ons...BGN... maybe the 2001 season tracks... another anniversary edition or something... then N5. Really, isn't it about time they put out something other than yet another Nascar title? I'm not knocking N4 (got it, drive it, love it) but I'd really like to see something else from them next.

>"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote > Well of course you all know that the N4 patch is slow because Papy is > working hard completing their CART sim. It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch took some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the patch before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and top of the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion pack. I doubt there won't be one. Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes to the game, more then the original patch. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic > sim yet when it was released. Show me some proof > Somehow, it then became an arcade game. Same could be said of F1CK2000, but on the opposite. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TWnD6.601556$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majorityof > > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and mostrealistic > > sim yet when it was released. > > Show me some proof I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. I do remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, and people like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic and the best yet. David G Fisher

BTW, I wasn't a big fan of F1RS when it was released. I was slow and reluctant to come around to it. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:99oD6.13612$[email hidden]... > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:TWnD6.601556$[email hidden]... > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelmingmajority

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> of > > > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most > realistic > > > sim yet when it was released. > > > > Show me some proof > > I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts > from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. I

do > remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, andpeople > like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic andthe > best yet. > > David G Fisher >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Show me some proof > > I don't have any. That's what I remember. I'm not doing a search of posts > from three years ago to back this up. No time for that type of project. Ido > remember quite clearly that this newsgroup was dominated by F1RS, andpeople > like Alison Hine had written (on her web site) that it was fantastic andthe > best yet. Like I said, there was an initial shock. All there was back then was arcade F1 titles on the Playstation and of course GP2. F1RS was a visual shock. But soon after the release of the demo, it got canned by a good majority. That didn't stop after the final release. It was the best yet, but when the dust came down everybody realised the major flaws in F1RS. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will already have the patched componmets built in? On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:34:40 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is >just >> arcade. >> >Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try >them! >Iain > > >

GO AWAY!!! ed_ David G Fisher wrote; some bull - again!

1: Ubi's patch ain't out yet. :) 2: Perhaps Papy is taking their time to do it right? -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out the > following : > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good as > GPL > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is just > arcade. > > In this direction I would like to point out that although F1RC has been > released MUCH later than NASCAR4 the patch for F1RC "SHOULD" be there soon, > for the moment we have no indication about the NASCAR4 patch, i think we can > agree that both NASCAR4 and F1RC need a patch for various reason (AI among > others) but for just this time you will have to admit that UBI soft has > reacted quickly, quicker than Hasbro for GP3 and the split axis patch, > quicker than Papyrus/Sierra for the NASCAR4 patch. > > So give the guys a break and let's see what happens next, without being too > prejudiced by the games they released BEFORE. > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pZkD6.13251$[email hidden]...

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> > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:VVeD6.1597$[email hidden]... > > Following the thread about the patch for F1RC I would like to point out > the > > following : > > > > Just because Papyrus made GPL doesn't mean EVERY game they do is as good > as > > GPL > > Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is > just > > arcade. > > > You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of > sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic > sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game. > > David G Fisher >

Really? The final version must be a hell of a lot better than the demo then, I decided not to buy F1RS after downloading and running the demo - I liked F12000 better. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong.

> > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patchtook > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the patch > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and topof > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion pack.I > doubt there won't be one. > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes tothe > game, more then the original patch. You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues with N4 we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem with that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AI is seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart Opponents for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am totally understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that Papy is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what was advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off.

What Papyrus has been doing lately is using the patch process to get the next title up to snuff. IF there are profound problems with N4 that Papyrus is addressing, then it is clearly in their best interest patch the current title and therefore save the programming effort for whatever is coming next. dave henrie "Patrick Gilmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:acqD6.21038$[email hidden]... > > > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch > took > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing thepatch

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> > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and top > of > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion pack. > I > > doubt there won't be one. > > > > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes to > the > > game, more then the original patch. > > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues with N4 > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem

with > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AIis

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> seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart Opponents > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am totally > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that Papy > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what was > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off. > >

I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Patrick Gilmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:acqD6.21038$[email hidden]... > > > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch > took > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the patch > > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and top > of > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion pack. > I > > doubt there won't be one. > > > > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes to > the > > game, more then the original patch. > > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues with N4 > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem with > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AI is > seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart Opponents > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am totally > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that Papy > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what was > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off. > >

Well, to be honest I doubt it also but it seemed to be what ymenard was implying. I guess I am a bit frustrated with N4 right now since it is so close to being the best race-sim ever(IMHO) yet just about every race I run is screwed up by the AI at the first caution period or wreck.

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> I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick. > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Patrick Gilmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:acqD6.21038$[email hidden]... > > > > > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the patch > > took > > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the > patch > > > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and

top > > of > > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansionpack. > > I > > > doubt there won't be one. > > > > > > > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixesto > > the > > > game, more then the original patch. > > > > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues withN4 > > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem > with > > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but the AI > is > > seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flash or > > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: SmartOpponents > > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The > > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I amtotally > > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure thatPapy > > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get whatwas > > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off. > > > > > >

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:04:41 -0400, "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9bkhsn$ekq$[email hidden]... >> Heh.. >> >> As much as I would like to see a CART Sim by Papy, I sure hope that they >> project they are working on now is a CTS/BGN addon for N4 > >Based on past experience I'm sure you'll be pleased. We'll see a couple >more variations of N4 with add-ons...BGN... maybe the 2001 season tracks... >another anniversary edition or something... then N5. Really, isn't it about >time they put out something other than yet another Nascar title? I'm not >knocking N4 (got it, drive it, love it) but I'd really like to see something >else from them next.

I think we all do, but Nascar seems to be the most profitable for them.. :( I'm not interested in Truck addons, but what I would really like is to see some more road courses for N4.. Oval racing in N4 was fun for a while but just doesn't do it for me. Racing on Sears or WG is tremendous fun, but why does Nascar only have 2 road courses in it's schedule?? Even fantasy tracks like Bullrun or Red Rock would be great for N4.. Andre

check if the game will be 1.0.0.4, this is the current version here "glenn" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]...

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> We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of > Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will > already have the patched componmets built in? > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:34:40 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Just because UBI made F1RS or MGPR2 doesn't mean EVERY game they do is > >just > >> arcade. > >> > >Don't know what sort of arcades you play in, but I sure would like to try > >them! > >Iain > > > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of > Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will > already have the patched componmets built in? If you're talking about F1RC then you should start purchasing your software elsewhere, because it's been available for close to a month? If you're not talking about F1RC then I have no clue what software you're referring to. ;) Cheers, Rod.

In article <MPG.15496d089097af18989866@news-server>, [email hidden] says...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > We are stilll awaiting its realese here in Australia. Its due 30th of > > Aril. I woundered with such a delay whether the version we get will > > already have the patched componmets built in? > > If you're talking about F1RC then you should start purchasing your > software elsewhere, because it's been available for close to a > month?

Woops, then again you could be talking about N4. In fact it's probably likely. Silly me. ;) Cheers, Rod.

If you want road course then you should welcome a truck racing pack. The truck series races a couple of other road courses besides what the Cup series runs. MadDAWG.

What would happen is even if the patch came out in a expansion pack (which I doubt), they would still allow you to download the patch part of it for free. "Patrick Gilmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3OsD6.21566$[email hidden]... > Well, to be honest I doubt it also but it seemed to be what ymenard was > implying. I guess I am a bit frustrated with N4 right now since it is so > close to being the best race-sim ever(IMHO) yet just about every race Irun

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> is screwed up by the AI at the first caution period or wreck. > > > I seriously doubt that would be the case Patrick. > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Patrick Gilmore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:acqD6.21038$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > It is my pure speculation, but I would say it's obvious that the

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> > > took > > > > some different shapes. They were probably working on preparing the > > patch > > > > before even the release of N4. After the unsuspected high sales and > top > > > of > > > > the chart list, they probably morphed the patch with the expansion > pack. > > > I > > > > doubt there won't be one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember that for N2 the Expansion pack iirc brought new fixes > to > > > the > > > > game, more then the original patch. > > > > > > You seem to be saying that to get a proper patch to fix the issues

with > N4 > > > we will have to buy an expansion pack? Does anyone else have a problem > > with > > > that besides me? I love N4 for its physics and driving model, but theAI > > is > > > seriously hosed and needs to be fixed(ya I know that's no news flashor

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> > > anything). To quote the back of the box: "Unparalleled AI: Smart > Opponents > > > for Fierce Competition" - inside the front cover "True-to-life AI, The > > > competition is tough when you are up agains NASCAR pros....." I am > totally > > > understanding that this title was rushed to market and I am sure that > Papy > > > is working on a patch, but if I have to pay another $30.00 to get what > was > > > advertised on the box I for one will be really pissed off. > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'd expect it should be, F1RS is 3 years older than F1 2000. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Don Burnette wrote > Really? The final version must be a hell of a lot better than the demo then, > I decided not to buy F1RS after downloading and running the demo - I liked > F12000 better. > > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > > >

In article <pZkD6.13251$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >You know what's funny, F1RS was considered by the overwhelming majority of >sef-declared experts here at r.a.s. to be the greatest and most realistic >sim yet when it was released. Somehow, it then became an arcade game. > Did it come out *before* or *after* GPL...? :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:34:19 -0400, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If you want road course then you should welcome a truck racing pack. The >truck series races a couple of other road courses besides what the Cup >series runs. Nice, which road tracks are they using? Andre > >MadDAWG. > >

>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > Nice, which road tracks are they using? The CTS trucks ran at Portland (the same one as in CART) and the Glen in 2000, but this year there is no more road courses in the series. I would speculate that an expansion pack from Papyrus would be of last year's schedule. Last year's schedule is so much better then the bland schedule of 2001 (they eliminated all the fun short tracks). It's a trend that will kill NASCAR on the long run. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ke1E6.701098$[email hidden]...

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> >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Nice, which road tracks are they using? > > > The CTS trucks ran at Portland (the same one as in CART) and the Glen in > 2000, but this year there is no more road courses in the series. I would > speculate that an expansion pack from Papyrus would be of last year's > schedule. Last year's schedule is so much better then the bland schedule

of > 2001 (they eliminated all the fun short tracks). It's a trend that will > kill NASCAR on the long run. Not as long as there are dodos who believe whizzing round in dizzying circles is a real sport

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> > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > >

>"Aviator" <[email hidden]> wrote > Not as long as there are dodos who believe whizzing round in dizzying > circles is a real sport Okay... enough of trollish attitude. I see that you are new here, but you need to learn a couple of things. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

See his (Aviator) comments on F1RC in a thread above to confirm that! Iain

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> Okay... enough of trollish attitude. I see that you are new here, but you > need to learn a couple of things. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

The length of time it takes to "do it right" is directly proportional to how badly the code was screwed up in the first place. Or perhaps they are taking their time simply because they hold their customer base in such contempt. Sierra's treatment of Europeans who preordered N4 is ample evidence of this contempt. More evidence still is to be found in the fact that there has been nothing from Sierra/Papy to indicate they are working on any patch at all. I have not seen so much as a list of "Known Issues". If they have even answered any email from anyone I have not heard of it. Everyone just assumes the patch is coming and that the troubles that are most mentioned in the message bases are the ones they are working on. I have even seen some who claim that the very silence from Sierra/Papy is proof they are working on a patch and that the absence of a patch over these months is evidence of the number of issues they are addressing and features they are adding. Under this logic the less Papy says and the longer Papy takes the happier these people will be. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q1qD6.18184$[email hidden]...

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> 1: Ubi's patch ain't out yet. :) > > 2: Perhaps Papy is taking their time to do it right? > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. >

Iain Mackenzie wrote: > > See his (Aviator) comments on F1RC in a thread above to confirm that! > Iain I don't think ubibasher, eh, ymenard, is against THOSE posts... ;) > > > Okay... enough of trollish attitude. I see that you are new here, but you > > need to learn a couple of things. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Aviator wrote: > Not as long as there are dodos who believe whizzing round in dizzying > circles is a real sport +----------+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | +----------+ | | | | .\|.||/.. -- Fester