July Autosimsport - Speed 7 wheel with Racing legends...

I thought that would get your attention :-) Its true that the author of the speed 7 FF wheel review did mention the West brothers turning up and powersliding his ferrari 612 with the speed 7 wheel, but this was in the dream he had the night after testing the speed 7 wheel. Well, the review is very positive. In fact, it reminds me of those esoteric hi-fi system reviews that rely more on psychobabble about "openesss" and "transperency " that any pragmatic evalutation. However, it does emphasise that the wheel is there and will be out "hopefully" in November. I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. To be honest, I'm not expecting this level of compatibilty. Pity. tim

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote:

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> > I'm genuinely prepared to pay ￜ1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 > years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The > current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact > insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future > sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. >

I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using my TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out to be as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some cash if the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while driving (as the article implies). I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which will buy the FF version when it comes out. All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

BRD informed me that there are no plans for Xbox or PSX support at this time. They do not believe consoles a viable platform for serious simracing at this time. Though it is not out of the question that such support could arise in the future should this be reevaluated. :) Jon. "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2pUBe.70719$[email hidden]... > I thought that would get your attention :-) > > Its true that the author of the speed 7 FF wheel review did mention theWest > brothers turning up and powersliding his ferrari 612 with the speed 7wheel, > but this was in the dream he had the night after testing the speed 7wheel. > > Well, the review is very positive. In fact, it reminds me of thoseesoteric

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> hi-fi system reviews that rely more on psychobabble about "openesss" and > "transperency " that any pragmatic evalutation. However, it does emphasise > that the wheel is there and will be out "hopefully" in November. > > I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 > years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The > current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact > insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future > sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. > > To be honest, I'm not expecting this level of compatibilty. > > Pity. > > > tim > >

I respect your opinon regarding FF, however, my strong interest in Richard Burns Rally makes FF a neccesity for me. As many others have mentioned, RBR provides the best force feedback possible. I simply cannot control the car to any degree of accuracy without feeling the wheels lighten or lock up through FF. "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >> >> I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 >> years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The >> current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact >> insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future >> sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. >> > > I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using my > TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out to be > as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some cash if > the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while driving (as > the article implies). > > I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which > will buy the FF version when it comes out. > > All the best, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

I agree with the comment about "at this time". However, my query was specifically about the next generation consoles, for which I have a very different opinion. I'll start a new thread to discuss this shortly. Tim "Shrapnel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RLfCe.1173$[email hidden]...

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> BRD informed me that there are no plans for Xbox or PSX support at this > time. > > They do not believe consoles a viable platform for serious simracing at > this > time. > > Though it is not out of the question that such support could arise in the > future should this be reevaluated. > > :) > > Jon. > > > "Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2pUBe.70719$[email hidden]... >> I thought that would get your attention :-) >> >> Its true that the author of the speed 7 FF wheel review did mention the > West >> brothers turning up and powersliding his ferrari 612 with the speed 7 > wheel, >> but this was in the dream he had the night after testing the speed 7 > wheel. >> >> Well, the review is very positive. In fact, it reminds me of those > esoteric >> hi-fi system reviews that rely more on psychobabble about "openesss" and >> "transperency " that any pragmatic evalutation. However, it does >> emphasise >> that the wheel is there and will be out "hopefully" in November. >> >> I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 >> years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The >> current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact >> insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future >> sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. >> >> To be honest, I'm not expecting this level of compatibilty. >> >> Pity. >> >> >> tim >> >> > >

"Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >> >> I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 >> years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The >> current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact >> insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future >> sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. >> > > I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using my > TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out to be > as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some cash if > the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while driving (as > the article implies). > > I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which > will buy the FF version when it comes out. >

Since getting a black Momo about 12 months ago, simming without FF would be like a huge step backwards. I'd bet anyone who's tried FF and dismissed it probably simply has not tried it for long enough to adapt. There is a 2 week min period b4 you get used to it.

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> "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > >>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >> >>>I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will last 5 >>>years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the question. The >>>current delays are due to licencing issues, and I fully expect (in fact >>>insisit) that the wheel will be fully compatibile with and support future >>>sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 platforms. >>> >> >>I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using my >>TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out to be >>as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some cash if >>the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while driving (as >>the article implies). >> >>I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which >>will buy the FF version when it comes out. >> > > > Since getting a black Momo about 12 months ago, simming without FF would > be like a huge step backwards. > > I'd bet anyone who's tried FF and dismissed it probably simply has not > tried it for long enough to adapt. There is a 2 week min period b4 you get > used to it. > >

Amazing, isn't it? People will call FF unrealistic and then use a dumb spring, sprung wheel instead. The choice is simple: a computer controlled FF system or a spring!

I suggest you keep an eye out for the MS FF wheels, ebay. USB only, of course if you are in XP... dang good wheels for RBR gpl and nr03 IMHO. Tim Epstein enlightened us with:

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> I respect your opinon regarding FF, however, my strong interest in > Richard Burns Rally makes FF a neccesity for me. As many others have > mentioned, RBR provides the best force feedback possible. I simply > cannot control the car to any degree of accuracy without feeling the > wheels lighten or lock up through FF. > > "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >>> >>> I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will >>> last 5 years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the >>> question. The current delays are due to licencing issues, and I >>> fully expect (in fact insisit) that the wheel will be fully >>> compatibile with and support future sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 >>> platforms. >> >> I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using >> my TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out >> to be as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some >> cash if the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while >> driving (as the article implies). >> >> I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which >> will buy the FF version when it comes out. >> >> All the best, uwe >> >> >> -- >> GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

What you say is SOOOO true, I mean it takes a properly setup wheel to enjoy any FF game. many i think got burned with Logitech's stuff, there for a while I know I was helping 20 other drivers with the quirks of the wheels reseeting themselves and all, fortunately we all went to the MS FF wheels. We just cant go back, I have tried (I still have my plain old MS sidewinder wheel, and the thrustmaster/crapper nascar wheels that just do NOT give you that driving feeling... Uwe, you need to try one, it takes at least 8 hours (for me that is a week or 2) of driving, AFTER you set one up correctly to finally get benifit of FF you get. RBR, pfff would not be fun nor acceptable sime without it IMHO. whooo enlightened us with:

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> Byron Forbes wrote: >> "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> >>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:47:10 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >>> >>>> I'm genuinely prepared to pay �1000 pounds for a wheel if it will >>>> last 5 years+ and be future proof. However, "future proof" is the >>>> question. The current delays are due to licencing issues, and I >>>> fully expect (in fact insisit) that the wheel will be fully >>>> compatibile with and support future sims on the Xbox 360 and PS3 >>>> platforms. >>> >>> I've never liked FF much for racing sims, and I will continue using >>> my TSW2 for the forseeable future. However if this wheel turns out >>> to be as good as it is according to ASS, I too would fork out some >>> cash if the FF is not a distraction, but actually helpful while >>> driving (as the article implies). >>> >>> I am looking forward to any reviews / comments by BRD owners which >>> will buy the FF version when it comes out. >>> >> >> >> Since getting a black Momo about 12 months ago, simming without >> FF would be like a huge step backwards. >> >> I'd bet anyone who's tried FF and dismissed it probably simply >> has not tried it for long enough to adapt. There is a 2 week min >> period b4 you get used to it. >> >> > Amazing, isn't it? People will call FF unrealistic and then use a > dumb spring, sprung wheel instead. The choice is simple: a computer > controlled FF system or a spring!

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:46:45 -0500, Plowboy wrote: > Uwe, you need to try one, it takes at least 8 hours (for me that is a week > or 2) of driving, AFTER you set one up correctly to finally get benifit of > FF you get. RBR, pfff would not be fun nor acceptable sime without it IMHO. > Hmm, sounds interesting. I might ask my mate Marco if he'd be willing to part with his red momo while he's on holiday. I don't like the momo pedals much though, would it be possible to continue using my tsw pedals toegether with the momo? All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:46:45 -0500, Plowboy wrote: > >>Uwe, you need to try one, it takes at least 8 hours (for me that is a week >>or 2) of driving, AFTER you set one up correctly to finally get benifit of >>FF you get. RBR, pfff would not be fun nor acceptable sime without it IMHO. >> > > > Hmm, sounds interesting. I might ask my mate Marco if he'd be willing > to part with his red momo while he's on holiday. I don't like the momo > pedals much though, would it be possible to continue using my tsw > pedals toegether with the momo? > > All the best, uwe > >

Yes, you should be able to. In GPL, for example, all you would do is reassign the steering and shifting to the momo, while leaving the brake and throttle with your TSW pedals. Hope that helps. Whooo

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:04 GMT, whooo wrote: > Yes, you should be able to. In GPL, for example, all you would do is > reassign the steering and shifting to the momo, while leaving the brake > and throttle with your TSW pedals. > Hello Whooo, thanks for your reply. That would mean I'd leave both controllers plugged in, right? I have a gameport TSW attached to a rockfire USB adapter, so I assume the pedals would work without the tsw wheel being connected to it as a single controller? Cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

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> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:56:04 GMT, whooo wrote: > >>Yes, you should be able to. In GPL, for example, all you would do is >>reassign the steering and shifting to the momo, while leaving the brake >>and throttle with your TSW pedals. >> > > > Hello Whooo, thanks for your reply. That would mean I'd leave both > controllers plugged in, right? I have a gameport TSW attached to a > rockfire USB adapter, so I assume the pedals would work without the > tsw wheel being connected to it as a single controller? > > Cheers, uwe >

Correct on both counts.

I really hope you try this Uwe - as I said in my earlier post in this thread, it is really is NEEDED for rally type sims (RBR) where you are driving in 3 dimensions. I still remember your "OMG, OM F* G" comments when you first took RBR for a spin. I can understand them even better if you didn't have FF. Cheers, Tim "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:46:45 -0500, Plowboy wrote: >> Uwe, you need to try one, it takes at least 8 hours (for me that is a >> week >> or 2) of driving, AFTER you set one up correctly to finally get benifit >> of >> FF you get. RBR, pfff would not be fun nor acceptable sime without it >> IMHO. >> > > Hmm, sounds interesting. I might ask my mate Marco if he'd be willing > to part with his red momo while he's on holiday. I don't like the momo > pedals much though, would it be possible to continue using my tsw > pedals toegether with the momo? > > All the best, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:48:28 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote:

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> I really hope you try this Uwe - as I said in my earlier post in this > thread, it is really is NEEDED for rally type sims (RBR) where you are > driving in 3 dimensions. > > I still remember your "OMG, OM F* G" comments when you first took RBR for a > spin. I can understand them even better if you didn't have FF. > > Cheers, > Tim

Hi Tim, my first comments were "inspired" by RBR failing to launch on my machine (back then I was running an ECS K7S5A mobo which has now taken over 24x7 Linux duties at home), and I remember cursing and hissing and whatnot until I updated the BIOS. After that, RBR worked ok after I got the controller issues worked out. I wonder if you've tried a TSW2 wheel? It's the best non-FF wheel out there IMHO in the precision and "feel" department". All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Tim Epstein" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wnXDe.74976$[email hidden]... >I really hope you try this Uwe - as I said in my earlier post in this >thread, it is really is NEEDED for rally type sims (RBR) where you are >driving in 3 dimensions. > So what dimension are you driving in in non rally simes - the 5th?

Wow, I have the sister motherboard you have (mines the intel processor board ECS p4s5adx)... I have gotten to sit behind an ecci, and I just miss the FF... it does take some time to get them to be what you want of them forces but IMHO I have faith I have the MS configs down pat. ABout the pedals, Ecci once sold those tractor looking pedals (2000's) wired just to connect the pedal wire into it, so I know I should be able to get the new 6000 pedals the same (for extra $ probably?) or get a diagram to do it myself? personally I sit in an office chair, so the MS pedals work fine for me, more up and down then forward, keeps stuff in place... I hear the Logi new driving force's pedals are not that grand either? my pedals on the MS wheel uses a phone cable (4 wire with rj11's on both ends) so it was really nice, I just went to walmart to relocate the pedals under the desk routing the wires out of sight, with a 10 ft phone cord... If I had the kind of cash, I would find a way to buy the rights & bring the MS product back into production, I mean sheese, they are durable, economical... I could change the design of the pedals & the wheel itself, I think, but not too much... Uwe Sch�rkamp enlightened us with:

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> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:48:28 GMT, Tim Epstein wrote: >> I really hope you try this Uwe - as I said in my earlier post in this >> thread, it is really is NEEDED for rally type sims (RBR) where you >> are driving in 3 dimensions. >> >> I still remember your "OMG, OM F* G" comments when you first took >> RBR for a spin. I can understand them even better if you didn't have >> FF. >> >> Cheers, >> Tim > > Hi Tim, > > my first comments were "inspired" by RBR failing to launch on my > machine (back then I was running an ECS K7S5A mobo which has now taken > over 24x7 Linux duties at home), and I remember cursing and hissing > and whatnot until I updated the BIOS. After that, RBR worked ok after > I got the controller issues worked out. > > I wonder if you've tried a TSW2 wheel? It's the best non-FF wheel out > there IMHO in the precision and "feel" department". > > All the best, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61