Papyrus please include these in a patch!

Please consider- 1) Save race feature like a red flag event 2) SHIFT-R instant restart 3) Ability to disable cockpit bobbing movement 4) Permantent CTRL-L leader notification 5) F2/ENTER combination to alternate between instant interval and once per lap status. WRT

> 5) F2/ENTER combination to alternate > between instant interval and once per lap status. There is already the F2/space... ?? -- Mika Takala

Press the spacebar for instant interval

I've been doing some testing at Daytona with setups. it might be my imagination but with the default setups I get a constant scraping noise all the way around the track. It's very very faint but it's there. Again, It might be my imagination or it might even be a noise that sounds similar. Any case, after adjusting the ride hights and sesspention, I got rid of that noise and so far with about 20+ laps I've only bottomed out when I brushed the apron and only for that moment. where as before I would bottom out while I was close to the apron and stay stuck to the track no matter where I went on the track from that point on. 20+ laps isn't enough to say I solved the situation but.... we'll see. btw: I like the save race idea for red flagged league events :-) >3) Ability to disable cockpit bobbing movement

JMHO, I could do without the shift-R. Biggest contributor to people not learning how to drive on the start. Mike :)

Mike, I think it has it's good points. Remember we have many just learning "how to" race sims and this would help them "re-start" without the in-out & back in again just to start again. Hell I start without Qual-ing at all in all my offline races so I never use Shift-R...lol But thats just wacky me!! <G> I just love dice'ing thru 20-30cars to hopefully get to 1st, 2nd or 3rd spot! Hey I am from the East and have spent many hours driving in NYC so it's nothing for me to drive in N4 AI traffic.. <vbg> Cheers Thom_j. "Race1530" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | JMHO, | I could do without the shift-R. Biggest contributor to people notlearning how | to drive on the start. | | Mike :)

[email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: >I could do without the shift-R. Biggest contributor to people not >learning how to drive on the start. I am interested in how your logic works (or doesn't as the case may be). How does forcing one to reload the track rather than just hitting a restart button help them learn how to drive on the start when either way you still end up at exactly the same place, it's just that one method is instantaneous and the other, the one you advocate, requires 7 or 8 mouse clicks and 20-30 seconds to reload the track? Is that your slant? You think the gamer should be punished for screwing up, in the form of using up his gaming time with "loading" screens, instead of letting him just press Shift-R and get an instant restart? The reality is with Shift-R someone can wreck and restart four or five races in the same amount of time it currently takes to screw up, exit and reload ONE. Do you really believe punishing them with a reload screen is a more effective learning tool than the one that offers five times as much sheer practice? Would anyone really admit to such idiotic thinking? All that really happens is people get tired of waiting for the non-sensical track reloads and they solve their problem by exiting the frustrating game altogether rather than give it another wasted minute of their time. In the long run that hurts YOU, the true N4 aficionado, more than it hurts them. And you're applauding this functionality? Bizarre, indeed. So, tell me. How is "start, crash, exit, reload, wait, wait, wait, restart, crash, reload, wait, wait, wait, etc." a better tool for learning how to start a race than "start, crash, restart, crash, restart, etc."? - Rick

Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn at watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After a few times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm there! :)) JMHO Mike

[email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? Not just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learn how careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race until the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, including reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn at >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After a few >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm >there! :)) JMHO Mike I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up and easily access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily and save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely to get online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on the first lap or the last, I think people are much more likely to say, "screw this, let me see if I can find a good game online." Hope you have your sarcasm cup ready to catch all those drops. :) All the best, Rick

Fwiw, I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and shift-r works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, until I feel I am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: > > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. > > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? Not > just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learn how > careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being > intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, > practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race until > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, including > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) > > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn at > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After a few > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm > >there! :)) JMHO Mike > > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up and easily > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily and > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely to get > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything > offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on the first lap > or the last, I think people are much more likely to say, "screw this, let > me see if I can find a good game online." > > Hope you have your sarcasm cup ready to catch all those drops. :) > > All the best, > Rick

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>Please consider- > >1) Save race feature like a red flag event >2) SHIFT-R instant restart >3) Ability to disable cockpit bobbing movement >4) Permantent CTRL-L leader notification >5) F2/ENTER combination to alternate > between instant interval and once per lap status. > > >WRT >

Also do something with the AI... they need a spotter so they can tell that I'm beside them and not crash into me.

I have been waiting for this post {since this thread began} for how long now? Thank you Don Burnette... Some of these posts are starting to frighten me! I hope they don't work for NASA or our Defense Department!! Phew.... Thom_j. "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ksko6.4445$[email hidden]...

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| Fwiw, | | I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and shift-r | works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, until I feel I | am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. | | -- | Don Burnette | D Burnette in N4 | | Some people do nothing wrong. | The problem is, they do nothing. | And THAT is wrong. | | "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... | > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: | > | > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point | > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage | > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. | > | > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? Not | > just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learn how | > careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being | > intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, | > practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race until | > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, | including | > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) | > | > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn

at | > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After afew | > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! | > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm | > >there! :)) JMHO Mike | > | > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up andeasily

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| > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily and | > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely to | get | > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining | > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything | > offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on the first | lap | > or the last, I think people are much more likely to say, "screw this,

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| > me see if I can find a good game online." | > | > Hope you have your sarcasm cup ready to catch all those drops. :) | > | > All the best, | > Rick | |

"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and >shift-r works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, >until I feel I am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. Good advice, thanks. I'm currently running medium length races with no damage (sigh) so when I wreck (or get wrecked as is often the case) I just wait for the lead cars to come around again and rejoin them. From a dead standstill you can parallel them if you get on it when they're about six seconds behind you, give or take a second depending on their speed. Use F2 and <SPACE> to see spacing. I save after a good qualifying round and before the warmup session (quickrace off) so I can use the warmup session when reloading to familiarize myself with the track before racing. After saving it the first time, be sure to answer No on exiting the track in subsequent runnings or else you'll lose the warmup period (it being the new last completed session). I haven't driven to the end of a race but if it's like GPL (and if my memory is correct), saved games are deleted once you finish the race. If you don't want to have to re-qualify, don't finish a race. Or, make a copy of the saved game(s) (*.svg) in \nascar4\players\[yourname]\savegame. As you can see, I'm doing everything I can to keep from sitting through that dang reload screen any more than necessary -- lol. Thanks, Rick

"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have been waiting for this post {since this thread began} for how long >now? >Thank you Don Burnette... Some of these posts are starting to frighten >me! I hope they don't work for NASA or our Defense Department!! Phew.... >Thom_j. All the practice in the world is not going to help us avoid the AI drivers who often appear oblivious to our existence. When that happens, I sure wish you could just restart (or better, load from a midrace saved game) instead of having to exit the track, wait for it to reload, and start all over from scratch. Was that point really lost on you? Best regards, Rick

Problem with that is running in traffic does change the air, and setups For the most advanced testing, it simply doesnt help Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hxzo6.5460$[email hidden]... > I have been waiting for this post {since this thread began} for how long > now? > Thank you Don Burnette... Some of these posts are starting to frighten me!I

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> hope they don't work for NASA or our Defense Department!! Phew.... > Thom_j. > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ksko6.4445$[email hidden]... > | Fwiw, > | > | I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and

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> | am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. > | > | -- > | Don Burnette > | D Burnette in N4 > | > | Some people do nothing wrong. > | The problem is, they do nothing. > | And THAT is wrong. > | > | "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... > | > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: > | > > | > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point > | > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage > | > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. > | > > | > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right?

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> | > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, > | including > | > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) > | > > | > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn > at > | > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After a > few > | > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! > | > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm > | > >there! :)) JMHO Mike > | > > | > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up and > easily > | > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily

and > | > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likelyto > | get > | > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining > | > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything > | > offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on thefirst

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"lost" on me? I think you better re-read the post that went along with Don Burnette's post. If not just let it go...Thom_j. "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sPAo6.2569$[email hidden]...

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| "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >I have been waiting for this post {since this thread began} for how long | >now? | >Thank you Don Burnette... Some of these posts are starting to frighten | >me! I hope they don't work for NASA or our Defense Department!! Phew.... | >Thom_j. | | All the practice in the world is not going to help us avoid the AI drivers | who often appear oblivious to our existence. When that happens, I sure | wish you could just restart (or better, load from a midrace saved game) | instead of having to exit the track, wait for it to reload, and start all | over from scratch. | | Was that point really lost on you? | | Best regards, | Rick

Tim. As I stated many post ago. I will just hop into a race at the end of the grid and try to race my way up {hopefully to 1st, 2nd or 3rd} The idea of constantly re-starting is wasteful.. Just race & race & race. imho you'll get alot more out of running in the pack with or without "damage off" then just keep redundantly re-starting. N4 is a race sim/game not Real-Life Nascar. Cheers Thom_j. "Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5XAo6.36066$[email hidden]...

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| Problem with that is running in traffic does change the air, and setups | For the most advanced testing, it simply doesnt help | | Thom j. <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:Hxzo6.5460$[email hidden]... | > I have been waiting for this post {since this thread began} for how long | > now? | > Thank you Don Burnette... Some of these posts are starting to frighten

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| I | > hope they don't work for NASA or our Defense Department!! Phew.... | > Thom_j. | > | > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:Ksko6.4445$[email hidden]... | > | Fwiw, | > | | > | I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and | shift-r | > | works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, until I

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| I | > | am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. | > | | > | -- | > | Don Burnette | > | D Burnette in N4 | > | | > | Some people do nothing wrong. | > | The problem is, they do nothing. | > | And THAT is wrong. | > | | > | "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... | > | > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: | > | > | > | > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My

point | > | > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all thegarbage | > | > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. | > | > | > | > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? | Not | > | > just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learnhow

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| > | > careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being | > | > intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, | > | > practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race | until | > | > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, | > | including | > | > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) | > | > | > | > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first

turn | > at | > | > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. Aftera | > few | > | > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for onlineracing! | > | > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the drippingsarcasm

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| > | > >there! :)) JMHO Mike | > | > | > | > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up and | > easily | > | > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily | and | > | > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely | to | > | get | > | > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining | > | > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do

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| > let | > | > me see if I can find a good game online." | > | > | > | > Hope you have your sarcasm cup ready to catch all those drops. :) | > | > | > | > All the best, | > | > Rick | > | | > | | > | > | |

> >Also do something with the AI... they need a spotter so they can tell that >I'm beside them and not crash into me. NEXT to you????? how about to tell them there is a car spun on the track so they don't ram the hell out of you one right after another....or to tell them there is a slow car ahead....(limp back to the pits with a blown tire once and see if they don't ram you before you can get down on the apron)....What a bunch of blind willy's.... DB (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

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> Fwiw, > > I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and shift-r > works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, until I feel I > am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: > > > > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point > > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage > > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. > > > > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? Not > > just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learn how > > careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being > > intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, > > practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race until > > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, > including > > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) > > > > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn

at > > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After afew > > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! > > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm > > >there! :)) JMHO Mike > > > > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up andeasily

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> > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily and > > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely to > get > > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining > > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything > > offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on the first > lap > > or the last, I think people are much more likely to say, "screw this,

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I think one thing folks are missing with this sim, mainly newer ones that perhaps haven't driven GPL, is taking their time and "learning" it. Yes, it is way different than previous Nascar sims. Think you could just hop into a 750 hp stock car and be fairly fast and consistant in the real world right out the chute? No way man. Your not going to be able to just drop into a 100% ai race and bully your way to the front of the field, you'll be packing your car up and licking your wounds on the way home. Practice, practice, practice. Then practice some more. Learn the tracks. Learn how far you can get away with your braking. Tweak your brake bias and setups for YOUR style of driving. You'll do nothing but continue to improve, and you'll find you can beat those other guys cleanly. It ain't gonna happen overnight. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > Ditto... > > -Larry > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ksko6.4445$[email hidden]... > > Fwiw, > > > > I do all my track "learning" in testing mode, with damage off, and shift-r > > works very well there. I practice many many laps like this, until I feel I > > am very consistant and know how far I can push the car. > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Rick E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Giko6.1752$[email hidden]... > > > [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: > > > > > > >Hey Rick! I just read your other post, nearly wore me out! My point > > > >about shift-R is that if you don't want to go through all the garbage > > > >that you just stated, then BE CAREFUL on the starts. > > > > > > You do know that the only way to get better is to practice, right? Not > > > just to be more careful, but to practice so you can come to learn how > > > careful is careful enough. You don't get that from being > > > intentionally careful, you get that from *practicing*. And in N4, > > > practicing is frankly a pain in the butt because you can only race until > > > the first mistake, then you have to start ALL THE WAY OVER again, > > including > > > reloading the track and all that garbage. :-) > > > > > > > By using shift-r you can just make a headlong rush to the first turn > at > > > >watkins glen, crash out the field, shift-R and do it again. After a > few > > > >times of that, gee, it seems as though your ready for online racing! > > > >Yahoo! (Watch out so you don't get sprayed with the dripping sarcasm > > > >there! :)) JMHO Mike > > > > > > I think you're 180 degrees wrong here. If people could set up and > easily > > > access an offline game of their choice, and could restart it easily and > > > save it when they're doing good, they'd probably be much LESS likely to > > get > > > online until they've had some fun races offline, thereby gaining > > > experience whether they meant to or not. Since you can't do anything > > > offline except start a race and run until you crash, be at on the first > > lap > > > or the last, I think people are much more likely to say, "screw this, > let > > > me see if I can find a good game online." > > > > > > Hope you have your sarcasm cup ready to catch all those drops. :) > > > > > > All the best, > > > Rick > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > http://www.usenet.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=