Will N4 run on my pos PC ??

I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? Any info would be much appreciated, Leo

i just deleted it from a very similar system with a v3 2000. Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > Any info would be much appreciated, > Leo >

So was it even playable or did you have to turn of almost all the detail and run very few cars? rik anthrax wrote:

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> i just deleted it from a very similar system with a v3 2000. > Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > Leo > >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:19:16 GMT, Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote: >I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't >decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a >similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? On my PIIII500 V3 it was hardly playable, even with most details off in 640x480 resolution. A GFII card helped me a lot, with 22 AI cars on the road it's very good playable with a fps varying from 25-45, but I faster processor is very much recommended. Andre >Any info would be much appreciated, >Leo >

i jumped into training (no ai) in 800x600x16 and got a choppy 18-35 fps. the graphics looked awful and all the settings were at the 50% default, so i dumped it and put it back in the box. it'll be safe there until i can upgrade. Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So was it even playable or did you have to turn of almost all the detailand > run very few cars? > > rik anthrax wrote: > > > i just deleted it from a very similar system with a v3 2000. > > Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now andcan't > > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 witha > > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > > Leo > > > >

I guess I won't be bothering with N4 after all. Looks like Papy has forced me to buy a better computer ... yet again! :-) Leo Greco wrote: > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > Any info would be much appreciated, > Leo

That really sucks, i am sick to death of upgrading just cause a sim comes out, ithink 400 mhz is about average these days and Sierra just suck doing this, i got a p3 700 and prob i can run it, but it doesnt change the fact that Sierra should think for the masses and not the million dollar systems that they probably have. Its GPL all over agian, youde think they would learn ?? Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I guess I won't be bothering with N4 after all. Looks like Papy hasforced

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> me to buy a better computer ... yet again! :-) > > Leo Greco wrote: > > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > Leo >

Actually I don't think Papy is completely wrong for doing this. Granted they set the bar WAY higher than most, but at the same time their products are often WAY better than most too. I think the nature of the games justifies the investment needed. For example, GPL forced me to upgrade last time, but I love and play that game to this day, and it can still hold it's own against more modern games in almost all respects! I can only hope N4 will be the same : ) Mark Beckman wrote:

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> That really sucks, i am sick to death of upgrading just cause a sim comes > out, ithink 400 mhz is about average these days and Sierra just suck doing > this, i got a p3 700 and prob i can run it, but it doesnt change the fact > that Sierra should think for the masses and not the million dollar systems > that they probably have. Its GPL all over agian, youde think they would > learn ?? > Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > I guess I won't be bothering with N4 after all. Looks like Papy has > forced > > me to buy a better computer ... yet again! :-) > > > > Leo Greco wrote: > > > > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't > > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a > > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > > Leo > >

Ditto Leo and just think if we get all the addons, fixes, and many other great things that many here did to make GPL even better {thanx guyz btw!} I like N4 now and I think many of the creative programers will make it better!! Cheers Thom_j. P.S. I've upgraded my puter 7 times since GPL first came out..<g> "Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | Actually I don't think Papy is completely wrong for doing this. Grantedthey | set the bar WAY higher than most, but at the same time their products areoften | WAY better than most too. I think the nature of the games justifies the | investment needed. For example, GPL forced me to upgrade last time, but Ilove | and play that game to this day, and it can still hold it's own againstmore | modern games in almost all respects! | I can only hope N4 will be the same : ) |<snipped for bandwidth>

Those 3rd party add-ons have done wonders to extend the lives of papy products. I wonder if the good folks at The Pits are planning a touring car patch for N4? Can you imagine papy's great physics engine + the gpl tracks + tin tops? That would be so awesome!!! : ) "Thom j." wrote:

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> Ditto Leo and just think if we get all the addons, fixes, and many other > great things that many here did to make GPL even better {thanx guyz > btw!} I like N4 now and I think many of the creative programers will > make it better!! Cheers Thom_j. > P.S. I've upgraded my puter 7 times since GPL first came out..<g> > > "Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > | Actually I don't think Papy is completely wrong for doing this. Granted > they > | set the bar WAY higher than most, but at the same time their products are > often > | WAY better than most too. I think the nature of the games justifies the > | investment needed. For example, GPL forced me to upgrade last time, but I > love > | and play that game to this day, and it can still hold it's own against > more > | modern games in almost all respects! > | I can only hope N4 will be the same : ) > | > <snipped for bandwidth>

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** If I may be so bold... We were warned about this, clearly, over a year ago. Papyrus, at one time, _suspended_ this product because they didn't feel the computers of the current era (which were indeed around 400-450Mhz, I still have the one I had then and it's my server now) and they made it clear as to why. That is why we saw Nascar Racing 99 (could have done without that one) and Nascar Racing 3. There were no secrets that the GPL engine, driving a Nascar Sim, would have serious system requirements. -Larry "Mark Beckman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:GTvk6.18671$[email hidden]...

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> That really sucks, i am sick to death of upgrading just cause a sim comes > out, ithink 400 mhz is about average these days and Sierra just suck doing > this, i got a p3 700 and prob i can run it, but it doesnt change the fact > that Sierra should think for the masses and not the million dollar systems > that they probably have. Its GPL all over agian, youde think they would > learn ?? > Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > I guess I won't be bothering with N4 after all. Looks like Papy has > forced > > me to buy a better computer ... yet again! :-) > > > > Leo Greco wrote: > > > > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and

can't > > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 witha

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> > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > > Leo > > > >

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:07 -0500, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > >If I may be so bold... > >We were warned about this, clearly, over a year ago. Papyrus, at one time, >_suspended_ this product because they didn't feel the computers of the >current era (which were indeed around 400-450Mhz, I still have the one I had >then and it's my server now) and they made it clear as to why. That is why >we saw Nascar Racing 99 (could have done without that one) and Nascar Racing >3. > >There were no secrets that the GPL engine, driving a Nascar Sim, would have >serious system requirements. > >-Larry

True, but I hate those 'minium: PII266mhz' messages on the box. A PIII500 is about the minimum. With a very fast gfx card. You -need- a decent fps in a racing game like this. Andre

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** The "Minimum Requirements" game is one we all know too well. It's one of those numbers you typically double in real life to come up with something accurate. Ever tried to run Windows 2000 on a P166? Apparantly, Microsoft has one damned-powerful P166 lying around somewhere :) -Larry "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:07 -0500, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > > >If I may be so bold... > > > >We were warned about this, clearly, over a year ago. Papyrus, at one

time, > >_suspended_ this product because they didn't feel the computers of the > >current era (which were indeed around 400-450Mhz, I still have the one Ihad > >then and it's my server now) and they made it clear as to why. That iswhy > >we saw Nascar Racing 99 (could have done without that one) and NascarRacing > >3. > > > >There were no secrets that the GPL engine, driving a Nascar Sim, wouldhave

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> >serious system requirements. > > > >-Larry > > True, but I hate those 'minium: PII266mhz' messages on the box. > A PIII500 is about the minimum. With a very fast gfx card. > You -need- a decent fps in a racing game like this. > > Andre

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In article <GTvk6.18671$[email hidden]>, "Mark Beckman" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>That really sucks, i am sick to death of upgrading just cause a sim comes >out, ithink 400 mhz is about average these days and Sierra just suck doing >this, i got a p3 700 and prob i can run it, but it doesnt change the fact >that Sierra should think for the masses and not the million dollar systems >that they probably have. Its GPL all over agian, youde think they would >learn ?? >Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> I guess I won't be bothering with N4 after all. Looks like Papy has >forced >> me to buy a better computer ... yet again! :-) >> >> Leo Greco wrote: >> >> > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now and can't >> > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 with a >> > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? >> > >> > Any info would be much appreciated, >> > Leo >>

So you'd rather people write software dumbed down for the people who have 2-3 year old systems? If everyone created for the MAJORITY of systems, no one would ever raise the bar. I have a 400MHz system too, but I'm glad software is actually evolving. I'll *eventually* be able to afford a system that runs it... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Leo, I'm racing it on a voodoo2 12 meg card, inside my Celeron 400 that has 64 meg of pc100 ram (ready to overclock) 800 X 600. In practice mode (offline) I admit I've only tried to race 10 opponents, the gfx are turned down to 1/2 on the slider, car detail is medium, mirror on- note it toggles between off- low-high detail by pressing M, IMHO I get enough "running and passing" to be learning the new game physics and I'm not as picky as some can be, as I get to this point knowing full well Ill have some things to upgrade. Ok, frame rate is roughly 15-21 with cars, however I do not see the stands, but wow I see the safety fence I used to shut off... the smoke from a wreck will Kill my rate down really bad!!! below 8 even seen 3fps at times. But all in all I could turn more stuff down but I think it is playable... Meanwhile I'm deciding on maybe a Geforce MX 32 meg card, Ill be also Overclocking the 400 (if I can figure out the settings again, (was a guaranteed overclocing combo, but I never overclocked it after the 1st couple of weeks) don't ask why I quit overclocking, it was a financial "fear" reason not system stability problem. I still have 3dsound, through My A3d (version 1) card, heard I could gain fps, by turning down sound preferences but I'm not doing it yet. Now I don't know crap about the voodoo Banshe but if it is more of a card than the Monster 2 from diamond then it prolly play better than I got. One of the best things I did was install Direct x 8.0a... Before 8a, the demo sucked sewer water, after 8a demo runs good, & now the full game runs good. Find the most up to date card drivers if I were you. My biggest complaint is, My Trustmaster Wheel is Trash - pots - flakey readings even in TM control panel, even though I have ACM game card. That is MY biggest problem. Hell, give it a try, cant be any worse looking than Original Nascar (1) before I got my 1st 4 meg card!!! Remember guys, we move up every time (and For me, ONLY when) the latest release of Nascar comes out, so what's all the whiiiiiiiiining about??? or did you guys upgrade to play something else? if so what else was there?!?!?!?!?!!!!! HEHEHEHEHE good luck Sting32 "Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > So was it even playable or did you have to turn of almost all the detailand > run very few cars? > > rik anthrax wrote: > > > i just deleted it from a very similar system with a v3 2000. > > Leo Greco <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > > I only have a PII400 with a 3dfx banshee video card right now andcan't > > > decide if I should bother with N4 yet. Has anyone else tried N4 witha > > > similar machine, or know what kind of performance I can expect? > > > > > > Any info would be much appreciated, > > > Leo > > > >