So..... how does N4 compare to NH?

I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am wondering how much merit all the negative posts have.

N4 blows NH out of the water. "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

>"drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. It's always normal to have negative comments after a title is released. People who like the title don't really praise it over the NG's. But be sure that the amount of negative message for NH was immensly higher then what we have presently with N4. N4 is presently the most complete racing sim ever. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. They both have their positive and negative aspects, but I don't think you can go wrong if you were to pick either or both of them up. Cheers, Rod.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:45:34 GMT, "Eddie Pettit" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >N4 blows NH out of the water. I don't think so. If they can fix the remaining issues with Heat then it is a very worthy contender, IMO. -- Jagg

Get em both. You'll have a blast! Gavel drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:40:31 GMT, "drinklime" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > >the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > >wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. I'll say this: I had Heat for about 24 hours. The lack of a damage model kinda killed it for me right off the bat. I understand that they patched it, but that was inexcusable for me to release a *sim* without an adequate damage model. A game is okay without damage, at least to me, but then it has to come out as a game. I understand that they came out with a patch, but, that came out after I had already returned my CD. So, the current state of NH isn't something I can comment on, but I did have to mention my experience. Your milage may vary.

NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:51:40 -0500, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote: >NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and >less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... Well - to put it in other words - NH is not better than N4, but N4 simply can't be run on a slower system.. I have a PIII500 V3 3000, and in 640 resolution, allmost all graphics off or on lowest detail, I get a smashing 10-15 fps at the back of a full grid (4 cars drawn in front, 2 at the rear). With a crash in front of me, it even drops back to 4-5 fps. And yes, 36fps in GPL with a full field. NH runs perfect with a full field, and imho the graphics of NH are much better than N4. Too bad the bugs of NH never got sorted out, it could have been a killer. Andre.

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>drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... >> I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on >> the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am >> wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. >> >> >

I agree totally no comparision N4 wins hands down. Heat has a Arcade feel to it.

All I can tell you is two days after I installed N4 . . . I uninstalled NH. Jerry Morelock "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

If you are into multiplayer, then it's no contest. N4 by a country mile. -Larry "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

I really enjoy the AI plowing into you while pitting and on yellow flags. The damage is bad, and if you crack up the front end you'll see no motor under the hood. What this......... a propane car ! The way they start a race is poor IMO . I would not recomend it to no one as a matter of fact I feel like a fool for buying it, but then again it was bought to hold me over to N4 was released so it suited its purpose. news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:40:31 GMT, "drinklime" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overallon

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> >the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > >wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > I had been driving a lot of Heat online, and at first I wasn't very > impressed. It's different, but I found that if I unlearned some Heat > things it's damn good. I thought it was more difficult to drive, but > once I got the feel it was great. Different (and better) is the best > I can describe. All kinds of stuff to tweak in the garage. I wasn't > too impressed with the sound, cockpit view is worse than bad, and the > rearview mirror reminds me of a fishbowl - if I can see the barest > glimpse of something in my mirror, he's on me. Driving it was great > though, and I found the graphics a litte blocky (800x600) but really > pretty awesome. > > Overall, my early impression is great, but a few mods would make it > killer. > >

You actually tried 42 AI :) I can only run 13-15 AI in GPL, but tried to muster 20 in N4. I'll probably move to 14 or 16 AI to try and get the FPS consistantly above 22ish. I actually think NH does a great job of physics modeling, so practice mode and short races without cautions are fun. Jason P3/550, V5-5500, 800x600 at 4xFSAA Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > Well - to put it in other words - NH is not better than N4, but N4 > simply can't be run on a slower system.. > I have a PIII500 V3 3000, and in 640 resolution, allmost all graphics > off or on lowest detail, I get a smashing 10-15 fps at the back of a > full grid (4 cars drawn in front, 2 at the rear). > With a crash in front of me, it even drops back to 4-5 fps.

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Imho, there is no comparison, N4 is the Nascar sim to have. -- Don Burnette "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc. Pretty broad statement don't ya think? -- Don Burnette "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... > drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > >

It took you that long? :) -- Don Burnette "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > All I can tell you is two days after I installed N4 . . . I uninstalled NH. > > Jerry Morelock > > "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > >

betatester :) Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9g%h6.273086$[email hidden]... > Imho, there is no comparison, N4 is the Nascar sim to have.

LOL, I uninstalled NH the day after I got done Beta Testing for it :) "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > All I can tell you is two days after I installed N4 . . . I uninstalledNH. > > Jerry Morelock > > "drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overallon > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > >

> It took you that long? I was thinking the same thing .

thing is, the cockpit view is deadly accurate. pez John Hilsman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:40:31 GMT, "drinklime" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overallon

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> >the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > >wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > I had been driving a lot of Heat online, and at first I wasn't very > impressed. It's different, but I found that if I unlearned some Heat > things it's damn good. I thought it was more difficult to drive, but > once I got the feel it was great. Different (and better) is the best > I can describe. All kinds of stuff to tweak in the garage. I wasn't > too impressed with the sound, cockpit view is worse than bad, and the > rearview mirror reminds me of a fishbowl - if I can see the barest > glimpse of something in my mirror, he's on me. Driving it was great > though, and I found the graphics a litte blocky (800x600) but really > pretty awesome. > > Overall, my early impression is great, but a few mods would make it > killer. > >

"Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96a3i7$riu$[email hidden]... > LOL, I uninstalled NH the day after I got done Beta Testing for it :) > > Well, I would have uninstalled NH sooner, except I thought I already had. I quit playing it right after the first patch was released, once I discovered the patch didn't really fix anything that mattered much. I've been waiting for the next patch ever since. Looks Iike I'll be waiting a long, long time . . . Jerry Morelock

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:35:16 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc. >Pretty broad statement don't ya think? Not really - there's a lot of talk here how N4 performs on different systems. For one thing N4 doesn't seem to run nicely on a V3 card. As I said, PIII500 V3 here. I could upgrade my gfx card to a GFII, but I heard that that is not much use on a system slower than 800mhz. Yes, you can run N4 on a PII 266, but I'd like to run N4 with more than 2 AI cars and with some graphic details on.. I'm -not- complaining that N4 needs such a high-end system, GPL hardly run ok with a full grid on most pc's when it was released - but for people with a lower-end system (OH MY GOD I have my PIII 500 for 6 months now and it's allready a lower-end system!!) NH can be a very good alternative, simply because N4 is too demanding for lower-end systems. Andre

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> >-- >Don Burnette > > >"18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... >> NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and >> less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... >> drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... >> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall >on >> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am >> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. >> > >> > >> >> > >

Why Yes Don, I Have! Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8j%h6.273089$[email hidden]...

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> So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc. > Pretty broad statement don't ya think? > > -- > Don Burnette > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz

and > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... > > drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it comparesoverall

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> on > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Wow, how many systems do you have? I would think that if you had that many systems you would stop playing it on the 450 you said you were using below "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zcii6.12938$[email hidden]... > Why Yes Don, I Have! > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8j%h6.273089$[email hidden]... > > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etcetc.

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> > Pretty broad statement don't ya think? > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > > > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz > and > > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... > > > drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares > overall > > on > > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Fwiw, I have a celeron 566 running at 850, and my GeForce2 MX card made a huge difference for me over my V3000 card I had in previously. -- Don Burnette "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:35:16 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc. > >Pretty broad statement don't ya think? > > Not really - there's a lot of talk here how N4 performs on different > systems. For one thing N4 doesn't seem to run nicely on a V3 card. > As I said, PIII500 V3 here. > I could upgrade my gfx card to a GFII, but I heard that that is not > much use on a system slower than 800mhz. > Yes, you can run N4 on a PII 266, but I'd like to run N4 with more > than 2 AI cars and with some graphic details on.. > > I'm -not- complaining that N4 needs such a high-end system, GPL hardly > run ok with a full grid on most pc's when it was released - but for > people with a lower-end system (OH MY GOD I have my PIII 500 for 6 > months now and it's allready a lower-end system!!) NH can be a very > good alternative, simply because N4 is too demanding for lower-end > systems. > > Andre > > > > >-- > >Don Burnette > > > > > >"18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > >> NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz and > >> less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... > >> drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > >> > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall > >on > >> > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > >> > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >

Nowwwww, you know you haven't :) Look , I am an avid gamer who is pretty picky about how games look when running them. I run N4 on a cheap ass Celeron chip ( 566), overclocked to 850, and a GeForce2 MX card. 128 mb of pc100 ram. It is great on my system. No, I don't have world and detail on full, and no I don't have draw ahead at 100%, and no I am not drawing 42 cars ahead. However, I have it set about middle of the road, the sim is downright gorgeous on my system, and I have very playable frame rates - averaging around 35-50 fps depending on the situation. Point being - Papy has scaled this thing to where it can be played on a wide variety of systems. Folks should not be discouraged about buying the sim unless they are really out of date on their system. Plus, I really like knowing that when I finally part with some money and get that 1ghz chip and new motherboard, that I will be able to raise the bar in the graphics department in the sim and enjoy it even more. I hate to think some lurkers might be reading what you stated below and steer away from getting N4 being afraid of it not running worth a crap. It's an awesome sim , and know what? It has a money back guarentee. Sure, it probably isn't for everybody, however I think most folks that purchase it are not going to be dissastisfied, -- Don Burnette "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zcii6.12938$[email hidden]... > Why Yes Don, I Have! > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8j%h6.273089$[email hidden]... > > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc etc. > > Pretty broad statement don't ya think? > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > > > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than 1ghz > and > > > less than GEforce GTS...no comparison... > > > drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares > overall > > on > > > > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > > > > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just curious.. why would anyone want 42 cars drawn ahead anyways? When you are behind them you can only see 2 or 3 ahead of you.. Once the race gets going you can not see half-way around the track to the lead cars anyways. I guess people do it just to say they do "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vmli6.276165$[email hidden]... > Nowwwww, you know you haven't :) > Look , I am an avid gamer who is pretty picky about how games look when > running them. I run N4 on a cheap ass Celeron chip ( 566), overclocked to > 850, and a GeForce2 MX card. 128 mb of pc100 ram. > It is great on my system. No, I don't have world and detail on full, andno > I don't have draw ahead at 100%, and no I am not drawing 42 cars ahead. > However, I have it set about middle of the road, the sim is downright > gorgeous on my system, and I have very playable frame rates - averaging > around 35-50 fps depending on the situation. > Point being - Papy has scaled this thing to where it can be played on awide > variety of systems. Folks should not be discouraged about buying the sim > unless they are really out of date on their system. Plus, I really like > knowing that when I finally part with some money and get that 1ghz chipand > new motherboard, that I will be able to raise the bar in the graphics > department in the sim and enjoy it even more. > I hate to think some lurkers might be reading what you stated below and > steer away from getting N4 being afraid of it not running worth a crap.It's

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> an awesome sim , and know what? It has a money back guarentee. Sure, it > probably isn't for everybody, however I think most folks that purchase it > are not going to be dissastisfied, > > -- > Don Burnette > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zcii6.12938$[email hidden]... > > Why Yes Don, I Have! > > > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8j%h6.273089$[email hidden]... > > > So you've compared NH and N4 on a P3 800, P3850, P3 700, AMD 900, etc > etc. > > > Pretty broad statement don't ya think? > > > > > > -- > > > Don Burnette > > > > > > > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:ouVh6.8389$[email hidden]... > > > > NH is much better sim on lower end systems-ie anything less than

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In article <96cpcg$1a98$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Just curious.. why would anyone want 42 cars drawn ahead anyways? When you > are behind them you can only see 2 or 3 ahead of you.. Once the race gets > going you can not see half-way around the track to the lead cars anyways. One thing I figure it would help is when there was a big pileup the turn before you. One incident I recall where an accident occured with about 10 cars, I thought I had picked a nice little gap I could squeeze through, but as soon as I got halfway through the gap, a car appeared right before me and I ended up t-boning him. If I had 42 cars drawn ahead, that gap wouldn't have appeared. Cheers, Rod.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:32:22 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Fwiw, >I have a celeron 566 running at 850, and my GeForce2 MX card made a huge >difference for me over my V3000 card I had in previously. About upgrading - Did anyone here with a PIII500 upgrade from a V3 card to a V5 or GFII card? Did it help? Someone told me that it's no use buying a better gfx card with a PIII500 processor.. Andre

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> > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:32:22 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Fwiw, > >I have a celeron 566 running at 850, and my GeForce2 MX card made a huge > >difference for me over my V3000 card I had in previously. > > About upgrading - Did anyone here with a PIII500 upgrade from a V3 > card to a V5 or GFII card? Did it help? > Someone told me that it's no use buying a better gfx card with a > PIII500 processor.. > > Andre

Hi, I only have the demo but I did the same upgrade (V3 to GF 2MX) on an overclocked PIII 450 (510-ish). In Nascar 4 demo, unlike some other games, the difference is easily noticeable. On average, I'd say the demo profited 30-40% in FPS. Probably the use of T&L helps a bit, and I'd dare to say it's true especially with slower processors. I have no idea if it's of any use when other cars are nearby, but I gather that the relative percentage in improvement should still be about the same. -Gregor

That is probably true, but maybe something like 20 cars would be better. Help with your frame rate and unless there are 20 cars in that wreck it should work ok for you. We are all still experimenting.. "Rod Prince" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.14f4d6ba3ba71a909897be@news-server... > In article <96cpcg$1a98$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Just curious.. why would anyone want 42 cars drawn ahead anyways? Whenyou > > are behind them you can only see 2 or 3 ahead of you.. Once the racegets > > going you can not see half-way around the track to the lead carsanyways.

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> > One thing I figure it would help is when there was a big pileup the > turn before you. One incident I recall where an accident occured with > about 10 cars, I thought I had picked a nice little gap I could > squeeze through, but as soon as I got halfway through the gap, a car > appeared right before me and I ended up t-boning him. If I had 42 cars > drawn ahead, that gap wouldn't have appeared. > > Cheers, > Rod. >

I agree 100% !!! I run a Celeron 566 @ 876, GeForce2 MX, 256 PC100 Ram on my home built system and it runs and looks great. I find the thing most interesting is Papy's approach to the scalability of the sim so almost everyone can run with the endless availability of options.

physics are better in N4....read my post on phys in n4 vrs nheat. pez drinklime <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:17:43 -0700, "Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I agree 100% !!! I run a Celeron 566 @ 876, GeForce2 MX, 256 PC100 Ram >on my home built system and it runs and looks great. I find the thing most >interesting is Papy's approach to the scalability of the sim so almost >everyone >can run with the endless availability of options. Agree, it runs great on my PIII500 V3 in 640 res with all graphics off and no AI cars! Oh well, tomorrow I'll get a new pc, PIII866, saturday I'm going to buy one of those GFII cards (don't know which one yet) so then I can run N4 too. Hey, the PIII500 was allready a half year old, it was time to upgrade anyway. Andre

The card will make a big difference. I had a V3 and switched to GF2 and never looked back. Great on everything I play GPL, N4, Crimson Skies, Janes WWII Fighters, etc etc. and hey all on W2K !

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:43:26 -0700, "Rogers" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >The card will make a big difference. I had a V3 and switched to GF2 and >never >looked back. Great on everything I play GPL, N4, Crimson Skies, Janes WWII >Fighters, etc etc. and hey all on W2K ! > > You don't get graphics glitches in the sky in WWIIF on a Geforce? I did when I had one six months ago. -- Jagg

Their is a fix , Ill see If I can find the link "> You don't get graphics glitches in the sky in WWIIF on a Geforce? I > did when I had one six months ago. > -- > Jagg

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:58:33 -0700, "Rogers" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Their is a fix , Ill see If I can find the link I don't need the fix. I bought a Voodoo5. Thx anyway. -- Jagg

spoke: I don't need the fix. I bought a Voodoo5. Thx anyway. -- Jagg

I'd be interested in the fix as I have problems in WW2 fighters since i switched from my V3 to my G2gts. Don "Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96i1df$iaa$[email hidden]...

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I beg to differ... This might be true if graphics and eye candy are all that matters.. To me, framerate consistency and smoothness are what makes for a good driving game.. In this regard, NH is waaaaay ahead.. If N4 ran as good as N3 does, as far as actual *driving* goes, I'd agree, but it doesn't! I could give a rat's patootie about pit guys running around and all that other junk.. Being able to control the car with NO stuttering or jumping is all that really matters to me.. On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:45:34 GMT, "Eddie Pettit" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>N4 blows NH out of the water. > >"drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... >> I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on >> the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am >> wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. >> >> >

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"> what makes for a good driving game.. In this regard, NH is waaaaay > ahead.. If N4 ran as good as N3 does, as far as actual *driving* goes, > I'd agree, but it doesn't! Hmmmmmmmm, you forgot to add it was your opinion because on my system your statment are not accurate at all and misleading.

Well, GPL runs smooth as a baby's butt on my system now, and is drop dead beautiful. Wasn't so when it came out. Imagine what N4 will look like on systems a year or two from now. I suppose they could have scaled it down to today's levels, but we would be dissappointed in a few months. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "hobbit" <nospam@here> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I beg to differ... This might be true if graphics and eye candy are > all that matters.. To me, framerate consistency and smoothness are > what makes for a good driving game.. In this regard, NH is waaaaay > ahead.. If N4 ran as good as N3 does, as far as actual *driving* goes, > I'd agree, but it doesn't! > > I could give a rat's patootie about pit guys running around and all > that other junk.. Being able to control the car with NO stuttering or > jumping is all that really matters to me.. > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:45:34 GMT, "Eddie Pettit" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >N4 blows NH out of the water. > > > >"drinklime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:jHKh6.1396$[email hidden]... > >> I'm thinking about getting N4, but am wondering how it compares overall on > >> the tracks besides the demo to nascar heat. I want nascar 4, but am > >> wondering how much merit all the negative posts have. > >> > >> > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:46:01 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, GPL runs smooth as a baby's butt on my system now, and is drop dead >beautiful. Wasn't so when it came out. Imagine what N4 will look like on >systems a year or two from now. I suppose they could have scaled it down to >today's levels, but we would be dissappointed in a few months. Well Golly Gee Whiz Andy. Us here folk in Mayberry aint like ya rich city folk. We don't get ta sit in a fancy office sipping mocha coffee all day acting like were working hard and getting big bucks for barely usin' our heads. No, us folk in here in Mayberry have to work hard.. hard haaaaard I tells ya. ANd we don't get to upgrade to the newest thang every few months. No sometimes I expect we even have to wait a year or so before we upgrade. Yes sir, so you take that better-than-thou-yankee-rich-boy attitude and shove it that stinky ass of your .. yes siree bob. (O) <M o <M /| ...... /:M\------------------------------------------------,,,,,, (O)[]XXXXXX[]I:K+}=====<{GUNSLINGER}>=======================------------> \| ^^^^^^ \:W/------------------------------------------------'''''' o <W <W (O)

In article <MPG.151a5272662aa01b9896fe@news>, [email hidden] says... > But seriously, I happen to agree with Don. For those handful of games > that are still going to be relevant a 2-3 years after their initial > release (eg, the Papyrus racing sims), I think it's great that there's > pretty much always more eyecandy to turn on/turn up. It helps *give* the > game a longer life. Double edged sword really.. (and I tried to find something that didn't sound like a pun) when you get those who spend $$'s on a 'only been obsolete for a week' system and complain they can't run 'Insert game X' at full detail and subsequently return it, or climb every mountain yelling the poor coding, lazy programmers schtick. I don't mind turning graphics options down, but I'm not sure eye candy alone will give the game legs. Cheers, Rod.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:14:18 GMT, James Wohlever <[email hidden]> wrote:

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That's a funny looking gun you're slinging there, mister. Tim

Who's this "Rich Pricks" guy? Tough name to live with...

WTH are you talking about? Bud, I work my ass off, as hard as anyone, and have all my life just so I can have a roof over my head and food on the table. When I upgrade, I do a little at a time, and go the cheapest route I can. Celeron 566 - 90 bucks - I overclock it to 850. GF2 MX - 100 bucks And btw, I am from about as hick a small country town as you can get from the hills of east TN. What did I say to deserve a response like that? I only try to offer help and advice where I can. Sheeze, -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "James Wohlever" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:46:01 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Well, GPL runs smooth as a baby's butt on my system now, and is drop dead > >beautiful. Wasn't so when it came out. Imagine what N4 will look like on > >systems a year or two from now. I suppose they could have scaled it down to > >today's levels, but we would be dissappointed in a few months. > > Well Golly Gee Whiz Andy. > Us here folk in Mayberry aint like ya rich city folk. > We don't get ta sit in a fancy office sipping mocha coffee all day > acting like were working hard and getting big bucks for barely usin' > our heads. > No, us folk in here in Mayberry have to work hard.. hard haaaaard I > tells ya. > ANd we don't get to upgrade to the newest thang every few months. > No sometimes I expect we even have to wait a year or so before we > upgrade. > Yes sir, so you take that better-than-thou-yankee-rich-boy attitude > and shove it that stinky ass of your .. yes siree bob. > > > (O) > <M > o <M > /| ...... /:M\------------------------------------------------,,,,,, > (O)[]XXXXXX[]I:K+}=====<{GUNSLINGER}>=======================------------> > \| ^^^^^^ \:W/------------------------------------------------'''''' > o <W > <W > (O)

Gee, I'd better not talk about how the release of N4 made me upgrade my system to a P4 :) And I'm *also* from the hills of East TN :) On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:37:21 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>WTH are you talking about? >Bud, I work my ass off, as hard as anyone, and have all my life just so I >can have a roof over my head and food on the table. >When I upgrade, I do a little at a time, and go the cheapest route I can. >Celeron 566 - 90 bucks - I overclock it to 850. >GF2 MX - 100 bucks > >And btw, I am from about as hick a small country town as you can get from >the hills of east TN. > >What did I say to deserve a response like that? I only try to offer help and >advice where I can. > >Sheeze,

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In article <RTfs6.7700$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >What did I say to deserve a response like that? I only try to offer help and >advice where I can. No good deed goes unpunished... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <MPG.151a5272662aa01b9896fe@news>, John Bradley <[email hidden]> writes: >Besides, everyone needs to do their part to try and get the NASDAQ back >up to pre-crash levels: buy some more computer crap! Mine(or parts therof) should be delivered today... Call it a moment of weakness on an auction site...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.