N4- I refuse to spend hundreds of MORE bucks just to run this sim .

I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? NOPE! Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in pristine condition. I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I feel it isn't worth it any more.

I remember when I bought Nascar 1, I could not run all the details, all the cars drawn ahead on my 486 33mHz, 1 meg video card, 4 meg of RAM, even though Indycar Racing had run smoothly. So I settle for 12 cars ahead, no decals. I was getting decent framerates, no much more. Back then, processor speeds were doubling every month! Then I bought a P 166mHz, the same deal happened with other sims I bought (can't remember if it was GPL). Over the years, I gradually upgraded my systems; my PII 400 was running GPL a little faster, but not with all the details. N3 was ok on it. Then I got my P3 866; GPL really flew on it, was able to put high res. Now N4 comes out... of course, I can't run every thing maxed out. A year or two down the road, when I upgrade my system again, I will be able to, though. Of course, there's probably going to be another game that's going to require a lot. What's the catch? It's a hobby I'm willing to put money on and it's the reality of PC biz. If you're not willing to do that, I recommand you stick to consoles or get a Mac ;) -- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

Or a Playstation 2. "Philster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I remember when I bought Nascar 1, I could not run all the details, all > the cars drawn ahead on my 486 33mHz, 1 meg video card, 4 meg of RAM, > even though Indycar Racing had run smoothly. So I settle for 12 cars > ahead, no decals. I was getting decent framerates, no much more. Back > then, processor speeds were doubling every month! > > Then I bought a P 166mHz, the same deal happened with other sims I > bought (can't remember if it was GPL). Over the years, I gradually > upgraded my systems; my PII 400 was running GPL a little faster, but not > with all the details. N3 was ok on it. Then I got my P3 866; GPL really > flew on it, was able to put high res. Now N4 comes out... of course, I > can't run every thing maxed out. A year or two down the road, when I > upgrade my system again, I will be able to, though. Of course, there's > probably going to be another game that's going to require a lot. > > What's the catch? It's a hobby I'm willing to put money on and it's the > reality of PC biz. If you're not willing to do that, I recommand you > stick to consoles or get a Mac ;) > > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

A troll eh? I didn't know r.a.s had any? Nick [email hidden] wrote:

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > pristine condition. > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more.

Considering GPL came out in 1998 and it's now 2001. I would say it was time to upgrade regardless of N4's requirments. Mitch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > pristine condition. > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Snipped the boring stuff..... > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more. Room temp IQ'S ? This should be good. Let the battle begin.

Snipped the boring stuff..... Room temp IQ'S ? This should be good. Let the battle begin.

>"Careful with that axe, Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote > A troll eh? I didn't know r.a.s had any? Well we have some, just not that type of troll ;-) Nice nickname! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

And I keep my room at a comfy 132 f "Doug Hook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e5gh6.3432$[email hidden]...

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> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Snipped the boring stuff..... > > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > > feel it isn't worth it any more. > > Room temp IQ'S ? This should be good. > Let the battle begin. > >

We get the point, thank you. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, I say. I find most online racers quite intelligable, likable people. However, I do see your point somewhat. I think everyone of us has been made to look a fool by the internet conditions he/she happens to be racing under at one time or another. Jan. =--- <[email hidden]> wrote... > I did this when GPL came out, <snip>

There's at least one person in this newsgroup who thinks you have an excellent point. BTW, unlike most who have criticized you in this thread, I DID notice you mentioned you just bought a new PC. DON'T buy a new CD-rom for this one game. Ridiculous. David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > pristine condition. > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more.

I would only upgrade to a new CDrom if you are a huge nascar racing sim fan...otherwise, stick with GPL and have some fun...don't let it get to you. JB "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pthh6.45684$[email hidden]... > There's at least one person in this newsgroup who thinks you have an > excellent point. BTW, unlike most who have criticized you in this thread,I

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> DID notice you mentioned you just bought a new PC. > > DON'T buy a new CD-rom for this one game. Ridiculous. > > David G Fisher > > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > > > NOPE! > > > > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > > pristine condition. > > > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > > feel it isn't worth it any more. >

Glad to know I won't be seeing you out on the track then :). Computers are an expensive hobby. Get over it. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > pristine condition. > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more.

Wow, people can get really worked up, can't they! Mitch Alatorre wrote:

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> Considering GPL came out in 1998 and it's now 2001. I would say it was time > to upgrade regardless of N4's requirments. > > Mitch > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > > > NOPE! > > > > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > > pristine condition. > > > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > > feel it isn't worth it any more.

-- Rob Swindells /////////////

thank you for sharing your problems ... ? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > > Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > pristine condition. > > I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > feel it isn't worth it any more.

Thanks, Floyd fan? Nick ymenard wrote:

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> >"Careful with that axe, Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote > > A troll eh? I didn't know r.a.s had any? > > Well we have some, just not that type of troll ;-) > > Nice nickname! > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>There's at least one person in this newsgroup who thinks you have an >excellent point. BTW, unlike most who have criticized you in this thread, I >DID notice you mentioned you just bought a new PC. > >DON'T buy a new CD-rom for this one game. Ridiculous. > >David G Fisher

Wow, are all the trolls in this thread? :) DGF, he has to buy the N4 CD first before he buys a new CD-reader. Let's let him *actually find out* whether it does or doesn't run on his machine before we put him up for membership in "Martyrs of Papyrus". PS - I agree that this Sierra copy protection scheme is stupid. Almost as stupid as not buying the game because it *may* not run on one's machine... :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same >circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as >several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this >area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new >computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE >money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE!

By your own admission, you haven't bought N4 yet. How do you know it doesn't run on your PC or CD reader? Aren't you jumping the gun a bit to be wringing your hands over this when you don't even know what the reality of the situation is? Why not purchase N4 from a retailer that allows returns (ie: Electronics Boutique) and see for yourself? Sierra even has a 90 day money-back guarantee.

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>Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in >frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web >site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > >And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally >uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in >pristine condition.

And what was wrong with GPL? You complained about its online performance in your other message; you found it so lacking in other respects that you didn't even run it offline? Yes, there are many resources available for GPL. But how many of them are *necessities*? IMO, GPL was one of the most bug-free sim releases that I have seen. The patches to it have been more to add enhancements (dedicated servers, FF, D3D) than to correct any deficiencies in the original issue. And now that you have a new, more capable PC, you still don't run GPL? Why? Perhaps its more a matter of your personal taste not liking GPL, than any true deficiencies in the sim itself? >I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to >fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". Well, if you thinks that's expensive, you should try the real thing. :) >After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of >people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they >enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I >feel it isn't worth it any more. Once again, it seems like you form your conclusions from your own biases, not from any observation of reality. Anyone who has driven in a good online GPL league would know you statement is groundless. (I assume the same would be true of other sim's online leagues, although I don't have personal experience of them.) A troll?, maybe. I'd think if you were truely interested in N4, you would at least give it a try. Your two posts here only seem to be a senseless piss'n'moan ramble. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

>"Careful with that axe, Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote > Thanks, Floyd fan? Freak fan, mostly ;-) (own all albums, went to see them 3times + Roger in 99, over 40bootlegs). And I admire Nick Mason's driving skills ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Just my 2 cents, I did do the upgrade and still can't but barely run everything maxed out. P4 1.5ghz 256 PC800 , 400fsb Geforce 2 Ultra 64 avg. 30fps in N4, in D3D, or opengl. Heat, though with better graphics maxed out, 50+ fps. So I think again it is because papy has not updated their graphics engine in so long it can't really take full advantage of these newer graphics card. Think about it , they use to use Rendition on pretty much the same graphics engine, which Indy Car 2 did look very good on it. "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:36:07 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > > I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same > >circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as > >several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this > >area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new > >computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE > >money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > > > NOPE! > > By your own admission, you haven't bought N4 yet. How do you know > it doesn't run on your PC or CD reader? Aren't you jumping the gun a > bit to be wringing your hands over this when you don't even know what > the reality of the situation is? Why not purchase N4 from a retailer > that allows returns (ie: Electronics Boutique) and see for yourself? > Sierra even has a 90 day money-back guarantee. > > >Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in > >frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web > >site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > > > >And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally > >uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in > >pristine condition. > > And what was wrong with GPL? You complained about its online > performance in your other message; you found it so lacking in other > respects that you didn't even run it offline? > > Yes, there are many resources available for GPL. But how many of > them are *necessities*? IMO, GPL was one of the most bug-free sim > releases that I have seen. The patches to it have been more to add > enhancements (dedicated servers, FF, D3D) than to correct any > deficiencies in the original issue. > > And now that you have a new, more capable PC, you still don't run > GPL? Why? Perhaps its more a matter of your personal taste not > liking GPL, than any true deficiencies in the sim itself? > > >I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to > >fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > > Well, if you thinks that's expensive, you should try the real > thing. :) > > >After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of > >people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they > >enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I > >feel it isn't worth it any more. > > Once again, it seems like you form your conclusions from your own > biases, not from any observation of reality. Anyone who has driven in > a good online GPL league would know you statement is groundless. (I > assume the same would be true of other sim's online leagues, although > I don't have personal experience of them.) > > A troll?, maybe. I'd think if you were truely interested in N4, > you would at least give it a try. Your two posts here only seem to be > a senseless piss'n'moan ramble. > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I got the impression from his posts that he did buy the game some time today. Regardless, ANYONE who can't get the game to work with a perfectly good CD-rom should definitely not go out an buy a new one just to run one game. I'm the last person to complain about having to upgrade for a game (CPU, video card, etc.), but buying an extra CD-rom when the one you have is perfectly good is ridiculous. David G Fisher "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:25:57 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >There's at least one person in this newsgroup who thinks you have an > >excellent point. BTW, unlike most who have criticized you in this thread,I

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same >circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as >several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this >area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new >computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE >money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > >Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in >frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web >site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > >And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally >uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in >pristine condition. > >I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to >fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". >

Well you could do like I do, and just play sims that suit your system - N3, GP3 and GPL (albeit graphically tweaked) work fin on my Celeron 333. Of course, it might make online races harder to find, but that's why they have AI - which I prefer racing anyway because... >After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of >people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they >enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I >feel it isn't worth it any more. Yes, that sux. and all you can do to avoid it is get in a League where the others play fair, or race the AI, or quit sim racing altogether. Up to you. DG

I'm kinda like that, except its with Rush. But I did see Roger here in Denver in July. Hmm, I'm writing I'll this while I'm wearing my Floyd/Wall shirt, coincidence? Nick ymenard wrote:

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> >"Careful with that axe, Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Thanks, Floyd fan? > > Freak fan, mostly ;-) > > (own all albums, went to see them 3times + Roger in 99, over 40bootlegs). > And I admire Nick Mason's driving skills ;-D > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:40:17 GMT, "Mitch Alatorre" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Considering GPL came out in 1998 and it's now 2001. I would say it was time >to upgrade regardless of N4's requirments. But you have to bear in mind that not everyone has the discretionary income to put towards endlessly upgrading their computers. The economic pressures of keeping food in your family's mouth, clothes on their backs and a roof over their heads can thwart your desires to have the bad-assed, bitchin'est game computer. I'm still puttering along with a Voodoo2 and a funky old 400 Mhz Celeron with 32 megs of ram. Upgrade? Love to! Unfortunately I just had to drop another $100.00 to replace the dying HD, so that blew my upgrade budget for some of that wonderfully low priced RAM that's available today. I want to get a T-Bird upgrade someday soon, but not until I can pay back the money I borrowed so I could move to Texas and take this new job I found after being unemployed for six months. There are a lot of people who actually have to make legitimate sacrifices to develop the sort of system that can run a demanding sim like GPL tolerably. They do it because they are passionate about sims just like most of us here on r.a.s. I cannot see why anyone would be surprised or call somebody a troll because they happened to respond passionately to the fact that Papyrus has raised the bar considerably for hardware requirements with Nascar4. He *wants* the game. He *can't* run it with his equipment. He's upset about that. I'm upset about it, too, just like I was when I tried the Nascar Heat demo. After about five minutes I said, "Screw them!" and deleted it from my systems because NH didn't consider my system "acceptable" as a platform. I won't even bother reading the box N4 comes in until I can scrape up the sheckles to upgrade my computer sometime towards the end of the year... Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

>"Careful with that axe, Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm kinda like that, except its with Rush. But I did see Roger here in > Denver in July. Ouch, Rush.... ooookay different tastes I guess ;-) > Hmm, I'm writing I'll this while I'm wearing my Floyd/Wall shirt, > coincidence? Neat! ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same >circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as >several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this >area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new >computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE >money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > >Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in >frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web >site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > >And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally >uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in >pristine condition. >

So now, you should be able to run GPL just fine. <g> Re-install it, and have fun! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David G Fisher wrote: > Regardless, ANYONE who can't get the game to work with a perfectly good > CD-rom should definitely not go out an buy a new one just to run one game. > Huh? If not for GPL and N4, why would you even NEED a computer? -Tony-

Just to add a bit of fuel to this fire, I must say that I'm more than a bit miffed about this business of releasing games that *require* hardware that hasn't even been invented yet, just to run it like they advertise it!!!!!! Here's the deal... You buy a new game, then wait for about 5-6 years to open it.. If you do that, the hardware *might* be available by that time to run it properly! If you wait a couple more years, it might even be close enough to being completely obsolete so you can pick it up for what it's really worth, rather than what they sell the latest and greatest (of the week) for! On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:36:07 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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> I did this when GPL came out, now I am faced with the same >circumstances with N4. The CD-ROM, it seems, must be the culprit, as >several people are mentioning that they are having trouble with this >area. I am having trouble with this for sure. I just got a new >computer this past Christmas, and now I am faced with spending MORE >money to upgrade to make some spinning piece of plastic run better? > > NOPE! > > >Been there -- done that a few years ago , and it was an exercise in >frustration in visiting Allison Hine's web site and this person's web >site and that person's web site, and on and on and on and on and on. > >And this went on for what seemed for an eternity. I finally >uninstalled the darned sim and it remains in the box to this day in >pristine condition. > >I see the makings of the same thing now, I don't think I am going to >fall into the same trap of falling into the "SIMULATION MONEY PIT". > >After a while, after you find that the online racing has a bunch of >people with "room temperature" IQ's who revel in the fact that they >enjoy running into the competitors rather than honestly competing, I >feel it isn't worth it any more.

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