Re: Max # of cars qualifying?

No, everyone that qualifies gets to run in the show. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > Thanks. > >

That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying, everyone makes the race Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as should be "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > Thanks. > >

Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. Marc. "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]...

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> That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying, > everyone makes the race > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as > should be > > > "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > >

Only if there are more than 43 Drivers They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed up at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Gng6.213291$[email hidden]...

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> Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. > > Marc. > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]... > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying, > > everyone makes the race > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as > > should be > > > > > > "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show. Cliff Roman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95t1sd$jfi$[email hidden]...

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> Only if there are more than 43 Drivers > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed up > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it. > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6Gng6.213291$[email hidden]... > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. > > > > Marc. > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]... > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people

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> > > everyone makes the race > > > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as > > > should be > > > > > > > > > "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :) The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zpog6.206325$[email hidden]...

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> Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must > attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show. > > > Cliff Roman <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:95t1sd$jfi$[email hidden]... > > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers > > > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers showed

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> > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it. > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:6Gng6.213291$[email hidden]... > > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]... > > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people > qualifying, > > > > everyone makes the race > > > > > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is

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> > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

That doesn't make it realistic...the question was that if more than 43 show up, could there be a qualifying shootout (which I think there should be) to see who makes the race. 43 people in the race is different from the amount of people in qualifying. JB "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:95t5ru$1gb0$[email hidden]...

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> LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :) > > The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic > > We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race > > > "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zpog6.206325$[email hidden]... > > Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must > > attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show. > > > > > > Cliff Roman <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:95t1sd$jfi$[email hidden]... > > > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers > > > > > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers

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> up > > > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it. > > > > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:6Gng6.213291$[email hidden]... > > > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. > > > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]... > > > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people > > qualifying, > > > > > everyone makes the race > > > > > > > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it

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> > > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Well, you could look at it this way. You can't have more than 43 show up because there are only 43 connects available. To be honest with you, you would need a pretty good connection to handle that many anyways and all it takes is one bad connection to hose the field. There have to be some limitations to any simulation. -- Mike Grandy Precision Racing www.precision-racing.com "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_3tg6.9142$[email hidden]... > That doesn't make it realistic...the question was that if more than 43 show > up, could there be a qualifying shootout (which I think there should be) to > see who makes the race. 43 people in the race is different from the amount > of people in qualifying. > > JB > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:95t5ru$1gb0$[email hidden]... > > LOL, When have you ever seen them have to do that? DW has retired :) > > > > The point is, the way N4 has the quals is realistic > > > > We do not have more than 43 drivers in a race > > > > > > "Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zpog6.206325$[email hidden]... > > > Not entirely true. Nascar mandates a minimum speed that a driver must > > > attain in qualifying before they can enter the big show. > > > > > > > > > Cliff Roman <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:95t1sd$jfi$[email hidden]... > > > > Only if there are more than 43 Drivers > > > > > > > > They allow up to 43 Drivers.. if for some reason only 42 drivers > showed > > up > > > > at a track to race that week, they would ALL make it. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:6Gng6.213291$[email hidden]... > > > > > Real NASCAR races have people who don't make the cut. > > > > > > > > > > Marc. > > > > > > > > > > "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:95sult$dhe$[email hidden]... > > > > > > That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people > > > qualifying, > > > > > > everyone makes the race > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it > is > > as > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for > a > > > > > > > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

James, they ONLY do not make it if they are not in the Top 43 Cars (there are Always 43 cars in the race) Nascar just does not say "Ok, the slowest 3 cars do not make the field". They allow 43 Cars to race. In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th fastest cars. I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hmm, that's not realistic at all. In every NASCAR (WC) race I've seen > there are always people not making the field. Why can't Papyrus > simulate that? > > Besides, it would be great for online leagues because they wouldn't > have to cap their membership and qualifying would take on a much more > important role. > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:03:01 -0600, "Cliff Roman" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying, > >everyone makes the race > > > >Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as > >should be > > > > > >"James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > >> race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > > >

In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible to have a roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week some slow team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player. > In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in >a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th >fastest cars. > >I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp Chris P [email hidden]

If they implemented this for offline racing, the player would hardly ever qualify! How would you like it if you could not make the race you just created. LOL. "CPDRKITEKT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible tohave a > roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week someslow

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> team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player. > > > In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in > >a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th > >fastest cars. > > > >I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp > > > Chris P > [email hidden]

I did not even think about single player... I think the game only allows you to have a entry list of 42 cars plus yourself. While it would be a nice feature, Vintook is probably right, no players would ever make it. :) "CPDRKITEKT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In multiplayer, yes. Perhaps what he's asking is if it is possible tohave a > roster of more than 43 cars in championship mode so that each week someslow

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> team will get bumped - and maybe it's the player. > > > In N4 you can not have more than 43 drivers in > >a race, therefore you will never have to worry about the 44th or 45th > >fastest cars. > > > >I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp > > > Chris P > [email hidden]

I am sure there were a lot of things Papy would like to have gotten in the sim that didn't make the cut. Most any game developer in the final run has to decide which items are more important and should stay and which should be discarded. Much like creating a film, I am sure the producer hates seeing some of his scenes cut out. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hmm, that's not realistic at all. In every NASCAR (WC) race I've seen > there are always people not making the field. Why can't Papyrus > simulate that? > > Besides, it would be great for online leagues because they wouldn't > have to cap their membership and qualifying would take on a much more > important role. > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:03:01 -0600, "Cliff Roman" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >That is how real racing is.. unless you have over 43 people qualifying, > >everyone makes the race > > > >Of course online you can not race with more than 43 drives so it is as > >should be > > > > > >"James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > >> race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > > >

Wouldn't it be great doing an offline championship season and only making the cut for about 3 races??!?!?! I think that's why they left it out. Being 43rd of 43 is bad enough for people trying to run with realistic settings! Marc "James T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Since Papy's sims have always read tons of values from ini files, I > don't see why it's so hard to implement a [field] value and a > [qualsize] value, where qualsize > field and field being something > manageable by the server. Besides, it's not just for online use. > > On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:57:48 GMT, "Mike Grandy" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well, you could look at it this way. You can't have more than 43 show up > >because there are only 43 connects available. To be honest with you, you > >would need a pretty good connection to handle that many anyways and all

it > >takes is one bad connection to hose the field. There have to be some > >limitations to any simulation. >

since everyone is having such a hard time grasping this... People want this feature so that they can have a more realistic championship mode. They want to earn their way into the races... However a system like this would require some sort of provisional system as well. Cliffs quote:" The way N4$ quals is realistic" is inaccurate at best. In NASCAR there are more than 43 cars attempting to qualify, though there are only 43 slots in the race. If you attempt to qualify and place lower than 43 you are out. Qualifying IS unrealistic in N4, because everyone who attempts to qualify (or even those who decide to sit it out, are guaranteed a spot, that is a key difference, that takes away some of the competition of qualifying. So no the procedure for which N4 uses to "qualify" drivers does not take into account some major NASCAR rules. As a matter of fact, it is no longer qualification if your guaranteed a spot, it becomes a time trial or something. As a matter of fact, a NASCAR commercial says "our guys have to qualify each week in order to compete." instead of contacts like in other sports. James T. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Does N4 finally increase the number of cars that can qualify for a > race, or does everybody automatically make the race (ala N1-3)? > > Thanks. > >

In article <0xBg6.4275$[email hidden]>, "Vintook" <[email hidden]> writes: >If they implemented this for offline racing, the player would hardly ever >qualify! How would you like it if you could not make the race you just >created. LOL. Didn't we go through this discussing the 107% rule for F1 games...?<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.