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Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna learn if I can't drive it.

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> Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with > racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you > stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use > the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to > it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > learn if I can't drive it.

I don't know of any racing game that allows you to stall the engine. IMO this would be an easy thing to program into the code and don't see why they don't put it in, or even an option to turn stallable engines on or off. In view of using the clutch, "racing" games by definition are going to involve driving "racing" cars which will probably have very different clutches to normal road cars. I suggest you just get your brother to take you out to an empty road somewhere and just practise. Scott

I cant stop my "sim" from stalling - I am going to have to model a clutch soon ;) Ash "Scott Boham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:941ann$57i$[email hidden]...

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| <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with | > racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you | > stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use | > the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to | > it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers | > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna | > learn if I can't drive it. | | I don't know of any racing game that allows you to stall the engine. IMO | this would be an easy thing to program into the code and don't see why

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| don't put it in, or even an option to turn stallable engines on or off. | | In view of using the clutch, "racing" games by definition are going to | involve driving "racing" cars which will probably have very different | clutches to normal road cars. I suggest you just get your brother to take | you out to an empty road somewhere and just practise. | | Scott | |

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> > Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with > racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you > stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use > the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to > it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > learn if I can't drive it.

Your brother certainly read Catch 22. I'm not sure if any sim to date has the stalling due to dropping theclutch to fast modelled. However, even if it did, it would be fairly useless for managing the one in a real car. See, until the clutch is fully engaged, apart from listening to the revs, you also balance the clutch input based on the acceleration of the car as the two are directly connected. Feeling the acceleration is sorely missing in racing sims. Grand Prix Legends, Nascar 4 demo and Grand Prix 3 all provide an analogue clutch, though, so at least some practice can be had there, even though you cannot properly stall any of them. But doing it in a real car is a completely different experience. -Gregor

*That* is the question that has been plaguing children and their parents ever since Adam was a boy! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > learn if I can't drive it.

Not only no game models stalling engines, but you unless you have an RS Shifter, its not so realistic. Also you cant crunch gears (i dont think, havent used clutch or rs shifter b4) in any sim, which in a game like GPL would make it much more realistic. Wouldnt it be great to have a FF H-Pattern shifter. U can feel it when it crunches, and it wont let you slam it through gears without the clutch unless done properly. Oneday hopefully... :) Good luck with your brother, almost everyone who drives a manual has learned in a street car on the street which was most proberly not theirs. Luke -=87=- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with > racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you > stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use > the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to > it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > learn if I can't drive it.

The approach most take is to go out in a proper driving instructors car with dual controls before you take on the family car.

You can stall the engine in Nascar Heat although I won't say it's modeled enough to really teach you how to drive a clutch in real life. I wouldn't expect your brother to let you take the car just because you told him you learned to drive a clutch in a computer sim/game any ways. You'd be better off learning from the car your going to drive in the first place. Every time you get into a different car with a clutch, it takes a little time to get used to it's feel any ways. Ask your brother if he'll go up to the school parking lot and let you practice with him. If he won't do that, he probably doesn't want you or anyone to drive his car any ways and is just using it as an excuse not to let you drive it. If it's his pride and joy, it's kinda hard to blame him. I have an old Triumph motorcycle I won't let anyone drive except my older brother. But I hate it when he wants to cause I worry about something happening even though he has more experience on a bike then I do. Jim D. [email hidden] wrote in message ...

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> Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with >racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you >stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use >the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to >it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers >car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna >learn if I can't drive it.

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> > You can stall the engine in Nascar Heat although I won't say it's modeled > enough to really teach you how to drive a clutch in real life. I wouldn't > expect your brother to let you take the car just because you told him you > learned to drive a clutch in a computer sim/game any ways. You'd be better > off learning from the car your going to drive in the first place. > Every time you get into a different car with a clutch, it takes a little > time to get used to it's feel any ways. Ask your brother if he'll go up to > the school parking lot and let you practice with him. If he won't do that, > he probably doesn't want you or anyone to drive his car any ways and is just > using it as an excuse not to let you drive it. If it's his pride and joy, > it's kinda hard to blame him. I have an old Triumph motorcycle I won't let > anyone drive except my older brother. But I hate it when he wants to cause I > worry about something happening even though he has more experience on a bike > then I do. > > Jim D. > > [email hidden] wrote in message ... > > Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with > >racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you > >stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use > >the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to > >it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > >car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > >learn if I can't drive it.

Viper racing is another one. You need to use the clutch to shift too, unlike NH. You will "grind the gears" and it won't shift to the next gear if you don't use the clutch properly. -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

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> *That* is the question that has been plaguing children and their parents > ever since Adam was a boy! > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

Just like the Bible says: Spare the rod, spoil the child.

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> > <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > > car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > > learn if I can't drive it. > > >

Viper racing is your best bet, like Alan says. Try the options/hack page for different cars like Sedan for a FWD or Sports Car if your brother has a NSX :-) You can buy Viper online for under $10 at http://www.dragon.ca if you can't find it on the shelf. Jason. Alan Orton wrote:

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> > > [email hidden] wrote in message ... > > > Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with > > >racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you > > >stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use > > >the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to > > >it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers > > >car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna > > >learn if I can't drive it. > > Viper racing is another one. You need to use the clutch to shift too, > unlike NH. You will "grind the gears" and it won't shift to the next > gear if you don't use the clutch properly. > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

I forgot about the shifter too. After buying the wheel, shifter, games etc. it's probably cheaper to buy a beat up old 5-speed and crash it up till my hearts content. On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:33:58 +1000, "Luke Phillips" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Not only no game models stalling engines, but you unless you have an RS >Shifter, its not so realistic. Also you cant crunch gears (i dont think, >havent used clutch or rs shifter b4) in any sim, which in a game like GPL >would make it much more realistic. Wouldnt it be great to have a FF >H-Pattern shifter. U can feel it when it crunches, and it wont let you slam >it through gears without the clutch unless done properly. Oneday >hopefully... :) Good luck with your brother, almost everyone who drives a >manual has learned in a street car on the street which was most proberly not >theirs. > >Luke >-=87=- > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Is it possible to learn how to drive a manual gearbox with >> racing games? What game most accurately allows one to learn? Can you >> stall and everything just like in the real world. Since I don't use >> the brake that often in racing games :), I'd like to map the clutch to >> it and give it a go. I want to learn how so I can drive my brothers >> car, but he won't let me touch it till I know how. But how am I gonna >> learn if I can't drive it. >

Is this game old? I've never heard of it. So you race nothing but Dodge vipers I guess. On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:11:50 GMT, Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Viper racing is another one. You need to use the clutch to shift too, >unlike NH. You will "grind the gears" and it won't shift to the next >gear if you don't use the clutch properly. > >

Viper Racing is made by MGI, some of their programmers broke off from Papyrus. They wrote Nascar Heat too. MGI is right up there with Papy in the physics department :-) It just seems Papy knows what we're looking for in multiplayer. Jason. [email hidden] wrote:

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> > Is this game old? I've never heard of it. So you race nothing but > Dodge vipers I guess. > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:11:50 GMT, Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Viper racing is another one. You need to use the clutch to shift too, > >unlike NH. You will "grind the gears" and it won't shift to the next > >gear if you don't use the clutch properly. > > > >

-- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)