Lazy shifts

In F1 cars I lift on the accelerator during shifts for obvious reasons, but in F3's I get lazy and hold full throttle, which never seems to cause a problem with the engine reliability. In FG's (F1 car + F3 engine) I find that I am blowing my engine by shifting full throttle. 2 questions: Does anyone else "lazy shift" in F3's? Do you have to switch to proper shifting in FG's & FD's? Cheers Ray Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

I've noticed comparing my laps to other driver's hotplaps in GPL replay analyser that the quick guys speedshift on the upshifts and I don't, hence I'm slower. I'm thinking that I need to do this too to get good laps in, but in a race you blow your engine rather quickly! It would be interesting to know how many of you speedshift? -- Some Call Me Tim

>It would be interesting to know how many of you speedshift? To be fair, speedshifting (or flat-shifting) only saves you a tenth or two at most tracks. -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> I've noticed comparing my laps to other driver's hotplaps in GPL replay > analyser that the quick guys speedshift on the upshifts and I don't, hence > I'm slower. > I'm thinking that I need to do this too to get good laps in, but in a race > you blow your engine rather quickly! > It would be interesting to know how many of you speedshift?

Funny this should come up. I was just looking at one E. Pickett's Ferrari 8:38 Ring lap (posted under the header "Will work for speed" on his web page) the other day and comparing it to my 8:46.99, also driven on a Ferrari. The main difference between them was that his accelerations were tremendously faster; his lap had 44 out of 46 speedshifts as opposed to my 0 out of 37. :) I tried mr. Pickett's speedshift technique a couple of times, but never reached the finish line. The engine simply can't last that long if anything of a damage model is turned on. OTOH I can't determine whether there's more honor in setting the damage model to 'novice' (which Eldred seems to do) or taking half a dozen shift-R:s on every warm-up lap (which is what I do). ;) That said, I never speedshift. If I can't clock decent times without speedshifting, the fault is in my driving and no amount of gearbox torture will lift me up. I also still have painful memories of a Cosworth engine moving to happier hunting grounds in Schwalbenschwanz at the last lap of a long race. I think you can shift normally and still not lose any speed compared to speedshifting, if you're really precise with the shift timing. Or am I just imagining it? (and I *just* (finally) went under Eldred's aforementioned Ring time! I was just driving some soft, sluggish laps on the Ferrari and _accidentally_ clocked a 8:37.03 lap, smashing my previous teeth-grinding PB by a good ten seconds. Like the old Zen saying goes, realization comes when you're not looking!) +Cinquo

Speaking of honor...I recently gave up trying to modulate those LWFF pedals and turned on the brake assistance in gpl...Knocked 2 seconds off of Rouen almost immeadiately and skipped ahead of JP Hovercraft...who has the unfortuanate time very close to my rotten-stinking-abymissmal effort. dave henrie "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92tenf$p4g$[email hidden]... > Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I've noticed comparing my laps to other driver's hotplaps in GPL replay > > analyser that the quick guys speedshift on the upshifts and I don't,hence > > I'm slower. > > > I'm thinking that I need to do this too to get good laps in, but in arace

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> > you blow your engine rather quickly! > > > It would be interesting to know how many of you speedshift? > > Funny this should come up. I was just looking at one E. Pickett's Ferrari > 8:38 Ring lap (posted under the header "Will work for speed" on his web > page) the other day and comparing it to my 8:46.99, also driven on a > Ferrari. The main difference between them was that his accelerations were > tremendously faster; his lap had 44 out of 46 speedshifts as opposed to > my 0 out of 37. :) I tried mr. Pickett's speedshift technique a couple of > times, but never reached the finish line. The engine simply can't last > that long if anything of a damage model is turned on. > > OTOH I can't determine whether there's more honor in setting the damage > model to 'novice' (which Eldred seems to do) or taking half a dozen > shift-R:s on every warm-up lap (which is what I do). ;) > > That said, I never speedshift. If I can't clock decent times without > speedshifting, the fault is in my driving and no amount of gearbox > torture will lift me up. I also still have painful memories of a Cosworth > engine moving to happier hunting grounds in Schwalbenschwanz at the > last lap of a long race. > > I think you can shift normally and still not lose any speed compared to > speedshifting, if you're really precise with the shift timing. Or am I > just imagining it? > > (and I *just* (finally) went under Eldred's aforementioned Ring time! > I was just driving some soft, sluggish laps on the Ferrari and > _accidentally_ clocked a 8:37.03 lap, smashing my previous teeth-grinding > PB by a good ten seconds. Like the old Zen saying goes, realization comes > when you're not looking!) > > +Cinquo >